"Sexting" = Child Pornography?

They consider anyone under 18 "minor." So the moment they turn 18, it's legal to do that even tho they are as stupid as before?

The legal age for consent is 17 most places isn't it? So they can fuck, but they can send pics to each other.... huh?

That's pretty ridiculous too. 17 years old kids can fuck but can't send their pics naked.
 


I mean, don't I have the libertarian and what should be the conservative position?

Or should we let the state "re-educate" our youth?

We'll find out in 90 days.

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edit: this isn't a response to ^ (hint, hint, battlefork, the moment they turn 18 only means it's now legal for others to view the pics)
 
I mean, don't I have the libertarian and what should be the conservative position?

Or should we let the state "re-educate" our youth?

We'll find out in 90 days.

Quoting myself for the 1000th post. (zeros, meh... :2drinkspit:)

This is a 21st century issue and precedence was just set in March 2009. (let me remind you, sexting is constitutional and it was affirmed to be so 9-10 months ago, apparently...I'm just going by Reuters)

People's dogmatic ideologies haven't yet instructed them what to do on this issue, it seems.

To have the state come into our home and punish our youth and quote "re-educate" them is atrocious.

I don't know what liberals are saying about this, I don't care. It's just me thinking about the issue out loud.

I didn't know the age of consent in my state, Kansas, I just looked it up. It's 16. Are you trying to tell me that 16 year old "skittles" can fuck the fucking shit out of each other, legally, but when they whip out their cell phones and take a picture that's when they've crossed the line?

Now the state needs to come in because they took a picture?

Pleeeeease.

Leave it to the parents to convince the kids to abstain (or not) and to stop their kids from sexting (or not).

Do you want to go backwards? When 16 year olds are caught having sex should the state require them to attend a weekend class on abstinence? Or leave it how it is now and have the parents get mad, not prosecutors.

Prosecutors are using the argument that these pictures could be obtained by molesters therefore they are pornographic.

Why the fuck are we punishing these girls, not only these 3; but the others that relented to the "sext-cation" course, because molesters exist!?

That's sad.

Sexting is new, dogmas are falling short for instruction, reactionary shit fills the void.

In reality courts fill the void and hopefully the courts agree, "re-education" is unconstitutional. And punishing girls because of molesters is sad as fuck.

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Edit: Here's the March 2009 case on Reuters.

"U.S. District Judge James Munley said he was issuing a restraining order on Wyoming County District Attorney George Skumanick because his proposed action would violate freedom of speech and parental rights."
 
It definitely should be taken more seriously.

Here's a scenario - You buy a cellphone off of ebay. The person you bought it from was a young teen that used it for sexting, but didn't bother erasin the pics. Now someone from your work or family borrows your phone and finds child porn on your cell. You're up shit creek.

That shit should not be passed around by anyone even the young, it could ruin people's lives. Even people that never wanted to see it in the first place. I'm all for seeing a nice perky body, but let's keep it legal.
 
We've had cases of it in school and it's unbelievably complicated. Girl 1 sends a pic of herself topless to Boy 1 in hopes that he'll leave his girlfriend for her. Pissed Girlfriend forwards the picture to all of her friends including young adults. So now nineteen-year-olds are forwarding pictures of a fifteen-year-old to others. In one case, some kids even forwarded the pics to a teacher - which is extremely serious for the teacher, who did nothing except get a text message from a kid on his soccer team or whatever.

The girl was stupid. The boy actually did nothing and got off free. The girlfriend's parents got her out of trouble and of the hundreds of people all over the district who saw the pictures, only the poor girl who sent them was punished.

In her case, there was some weak parenting, but I'm sure most of you would agree that poor parenting is not a catch-all excuse for erratic teen behavior. Otherwise everyone on this board who ever got community service hours for MIP or the like is the victim of terrible parenting.

Teens especially suffer from a narrow perspective of things. They fail to see long term consequences, and Turbo's right. Since some can't effectively judge something like this on their own (lack of frontal lobe development and all that), if there is a definable punishment in place for doing it, it's a more certain deterrent.

Thanks for explaining it so well, I knew this but didn't have the time last night to go into it properly. This is EXACTLY the problem. If there is a better solution to try to find a strict deterrent until they are mentally able to make better choices, then I'm all ears. Until then you better believe I'm going to be teaching my children (boys are just as much at risk here. There was a thread about a case involving just a bunch of highschool boys a while back) that if they do this they will wind up in jail.

Something like this can have devastating consequences for the child. (There have been more than a few cases of suicide because of this alone.) and I don't care if it's severe or not I do not want naked pictures of my child on the internet. Period.
 
@turbo - there's one problem with the legality approach.

The same lack of frontal lobe development that makes them sext, also makes them think they won't get caught.

Unruly Teens aren't deterred by consequences - if you want proof of that, just look at the number of teens who take drugs (jail), have unprotected sex (STDs), and drive recklessly (death).

I agree with you though, it IS a problem - when I was a teen/young adult, we used to get up to all sorts of shit. But, that's in the past, only a flicker in the memories of those involved. Nowadays, everything goes online, ready to haunt you forever.

Now, if the govt was REALLY serious about this, they would ban the sale of mobile phones to anyone under 18. To be honest, I don't really see why they need them, and I'm not keen on my daughter having a mobile when she's that age (for various reasons).

However... there are far too many lobbyists from the telecoms industry who have the ear of govt for that to happen ;)
 
Something like this can have devastating consequences for the child. (There have been more than a few cases of suicide because of this alone.) and I don't care if it's severe or not I do not want naked pictures of my child on the internet. Period.
Sorry, I haven't, don't and will never sign up to the school of thought that says we need to pad every corner to avoid retards killing themselves.

Shit happens, we can't hold back freedom to save the woman who can't understand coffee is hot or any other Darwin award nominee.

I've made plenty of mistakes myself, and I have the scars to prove it. But that is what life is about. Bigger gov and yet more laws are not the answer.
 
As much as I love skittles, Turbo is spot-on.
They really need to treat this as a severe issue despite how stupid it appears to all of us adults. We can be held responsible for our actions while kids usually don't think things through before realizing too late they just ruined their lives.

So we should punish them for ruining their own life?
 
Now, if the govt was REALLY serious about this, they would ban the sale of mobile phones to anyone under 18. To be honest, I don't really see why they need them, and I'm not keen on my daughter having a mobile when she's that age (for various reasons).

However... there are far too many lobbyists from the telecoms industry who have the ear of govt for that to happen ;)

Banning mobile phone to anyone under 18? Now mobile join the rank of booze
 
turbolapp said:
I don't know about charging them with child pornography but they need to be charged with something. Once kids understand the severity of the situation maybe they'll actually stop and think before they do something that stupid.

Ha, come on, like teenagers are now being briefed on recent court decisions? When I was a teenager I had no idea of much of any of the legal decisions that were being made, and I'll bet that 95% of kids under 18 don't even know that the child pornography laws are being interpreted this way.

My stance is, let them send naked pictures of themselves to each other. I really don't think there's anything wrong with it. They're humans with mammal behaviors, so within certain limits (i.e. getting knocked up), let them do what comes naturally.

If an adult is involved then of course that changes things, but two kids, lets say 13 and 14, sexting each other? I say let them be. Who cares if their parents are trying to "slow things down," because of some notion they have about what is right and proper.

The kids are obviously going to be embarassed about it, but so would most Americans if someone walked in on you naked. But this kind of sexual "shaming" is at best not helpful, and at worse could instill the type of fundamentalist values about sex (i.e. it's bad, it's shameful, it's dirty) that this logic is based on. It's acting like sexuality is something to be ashamed of, but haven't we gotten past that already?

Truthfully, we can have "SEX" on every issue of Cosmo magazine in big letters, but when it comes to kids, we have these demure notions of what they are actually like. I'm sure we can configure the phones so it is secure, but no one wants to talk about that. The actual *idea* that their kid could be interested in sex and actually doing something about it offends them.

Absolutely bullshit litigation but that just proves how out of touch the legal system can get ... to charge two kids for sending pictures of themselves to each other is just crazy. Next, lets give them whistles so they can alert us if they see any crimes happening.

Keep the litigators out of it. If the parents want to do something, fine, but making it a crime? A joke.

Even if you made it just a "little crime" you are essentially giving the justice system the right to decide morally what is best in this situation, and how to "re-educate" the kids.

turbolapp said:
Something like this can have devastating consequences for the child. (There have been more than a few cases of suicide because of this alone.) and I don't care if it's severe or not I do not want naked pictures of my child on the internet. Period.
I'll reply to this since I know the first quote isn't entirely in context given your later replies... (So, I'm not really replying entirely to you turbolapp, just happened to illustrate what I meant)

The thing is, I don't think a deterrent is going to do any good. I really don't. You would have to make the phones unable to send pictures. The kids would find a way around it. The parents would go crazy again.

The only way in the first place is to make it undesirable for them to do it. But you know what? No matter how many times a celebrity's sex tape gets leaked, I still have been able to convince all but one of my girlfriends to make sex tapes. They just have more resistance to it.

But if you want to deter it, you show a commercial aimed at the target audience, with a short movie type of thing where first a girl sends some pics of herself to her boyfriend, he's impressed but then the other girl steals her phone, it gets distributed.... and then have some caption fly up on the screen that urges them to not do it.

At least that way they are making the decisions for themselves, which I think is the only way you are going to get something like this to stick.
 
Man this makes me wish I was in HS now a days. Back when I was in HS most people still had beepers! There was no such thing as a camera phone... lucky damn kids.
 
(lack of frontal lobe development and all that)

Except that this stereotype is not actually founded in scientific evidence. It's similar to saying that black people have inferior brains and therefore should not be left to make their own choices (which was exactly the kind of reasoning used during the era of slavery). The fact of the matter is that only sheltered teengages who have no real-life experience because of being forcibly treated like a child for the first 18 years of their life tend to have this so-called "lack of frontal lobe development." It's mysteriously absent in those whom have not been coddled. Thus, telling teenagers that they can't make their own choices becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The irony here is that, in depriving teenagers of the ability to freely make their own choices and suffer the actual consequences of them (rather than fabricated punishments), a culture of immaturity has been fostered, which then justifies even more coddling and control on the part of parents.
 
Except that this stereotype is not actually founded in scientific evidence. It's similar to saying that black people have inferior brains and therefore should not be left to make their own choices (which was exactly the kind of reasoning used during the era of slavery). The fact of the matter is that only sheltered teengages who have no real-life experience because of being forcibly treated like a child for the first 18 years of their life tend to have this so-called "lack of frontal lobe development." It's mysteriously absent in those whom have not been coddled. Thus, telling teenagers that they can't make their own choices becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The irony here is that, in depriving teenagers of the ability to freely make their own choices and suffer the actual consequences of them (rather than fabricated punishments), a culture of immaturity has been fostered, which then justifies even more coddling and control on the part of parents.

There's plenty of scientific evidence for the position that our brains don't fully develop until quite late.

NIMH · Teenage Brain: A work in progress (Fact Sheet)

A neuroscientist friend of mine who uses use fmri to map brain function told me that the latest studies suggest the brain isn't fully matured until the mid-20s.

That's not to say you should treat them like idiots, (after all, people use to rule countries at the age of 16), but the evidence is definitely there that teenagers aren't 'mature'.
 
Also wanted to add this is something that really pisses me off about western society - we have a media which sexualises children & teens on one hand, and then is hysterical when they behave as sexual creatures on the other.
 
Also wanted to add this is something that really pisses me off about western society - we have a media which sexualises children & teens on one hand, and then is hysterical when they behave as sexual creatures on the other.


This.

And to everyone else I stick by it. We prosecute teens for drunk driving? Why because they could completely destroy someone elses life, if not their own. While sexting may not be as devestating as drunk driving, it could be. I'm not saying it's the best answer but until a better one comes about, It's all we got.