There Is Something Very Wrong With The Man In The White House
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Regardless of whether he's correct or not(he's not), it doesn't matter. That's the primary reason he's perceived as a 'nut', along with his Fed policy. You can't run as a Republican and empathize with the terrorists. He doesn't have a fucking chance with conservatives. If he was smart, he'd change parties where they're much more amenable to that sort of sentiment.
Of course, the problem is practically the entire Democrat Party is socialist, so they'd reject his economic ideas. So he's stuck in a kind of ideological no man's land, adhering to quasi-Democrat national security ideals and purist Republican fiscal policies.
As for him using NLP, maybe he can take a few tips from Obama and start stuffing his speeches with hypnotic commands. It seems to have worked great on some of the drones here.
And for those trying to spam the thread, it started out cute, but now you just look like terrified Obama nut-gobbling bitches desperately trying to distract people from the truth.
They're clearly executing the Cloward-Piven strategy.
He's not empathizing with terrorists. I already explained what his reasoning is. You piss someone off, why be surprised if they punch back?
Sure he is. A majority of the American public views the terrorist attacks as unjustified. His perspective justifies it, at least partially. Ergo, he is seeing things from their side, or empathizing with them. At least, that's what he thinks he's doing. Like I said, he's wrong, but I'm not interested in arguing why. The main point is that RP's line of thought vis a vis foreign policy is political kryptonite.
Suffice it to say that if I'm advising him, I would advocate opposing overseas military operations on purely financial grounds. You achieve the same goal, but without even bothering to discuss terrorists, etc.. Peter Schiff does the same thing to great effect.
And for his equally contentious position regarding the Fed, I would recommend changing it to "Reform the Fed". You can always slowly weaken them, or set up an evolutionary dismantling process, but straight up advocating an "Abolish the Fed" approach makes people nervous.
Fuck, if Obama ran around saying "Nationalize Healthcare!", he'd be laughed out of town. Instead, he says "Reform Healthcare", which implies a slow, gradual approach, and look how fucking close he is. I never thought that lunatic would get this close.
If RP did those two things and got rid of that whiny voice, he'd have a much better chance.
He does need to fix the way he says his issues in public, but at the same time, he got a movement going. The Fed should be abolished, they create the business cycle and all bubbles/busts. People need to learn about their money and why the Dollar = Monopoly Money since 1972.
His voice can be whiny, but that's why he got popular on the internet. People read his points then heard him later. Talk about an annoying sounding voice, how about Teddy Roosevelt:
http://www.theodoreroosevelt.org/TR Web Book/Social_and_Industrial_Justice.mp3
Ron Paul a terrorist sympathizer? Wow...So we can build an empire, with a military presence in over 100 countries, meddle around in other SOVEREIGN NATION'S affairs, prop up dictators, topple democratically elected presidents, etc...and we should be surprised when some shit heads decide to attack us? But of course, our actions are righteous. We're the good guys, they are the bad guys - every single time, no matter what. Now I'm not apologizing for terrorists, but I'm sure you will say I am. My opinion, we hunt down and kill every last person who had a hand in any way shape or form with 9/11. But to say that we were just minding our own business when some assholes out of the blue said to themselves "Hey, let's fly some planes into the World Trade Center" is foolish to say the least. Actions have consequences - Always.
But admitting that wouldn't fit into your agenda. Just like admitting that a national health care system is fiscal suicide for this nation wouldn't fit into the Democrats agenda. A true Statesman knows when it's time to admit his country's faults, to bring them to light and acknowledge them, and ultimately set a course to remedy them. How else would the American people know to trust him if he didn't? How else would the country know that this person truly sees what is wrong with our country?
All you are doing is using the same bullshit tactics that a true politician uses. If they don't agree, defame. Don't want to support the Patriot Act? Well then, you're not a patriot. Don't want to support national health care turns into why don't you want the children to get vaccines? Ultimately it comes down to a gross lack of personal accountability. Everyone is too afraid to admit when they are wrong.
Now Hell, I normally agree with what you have to say. I find what the Executive branch is doing as of late to be horribly damaging to our nation, quite possibly irreversibly. But you are wrong on this. Sure, this thread wasn't about Ron Paul, or 9/11, but I felt obligated to defend your defamation of a person who is in no way the person you insinuated him to be. This man is the closest our generation ever came to a founding father, and the fact the we merely brushed him aside as a "nut," speaks volumes to how screwed we really are. Show me another politician who openly admits that he is restricted by the constitution. Show me a former presidential candidate who agrees that the constitution doesn't grant freedoms to the people, but instead restricts government. Show me another who takes that oath of office seriously, and not as a formality.
In the end, it all comes back the the Constitution. Read it, all of you. Truly absorb it. Let it consume you. Compare it to what the government is doing now. The document itself isn't that difficult to understand, it is the courts and legislature and executive branch that has perverted it so. If only we would obey and respect the constitution as it was meant to be respected, as the supreme law of the land, a significant majority of our problem would never even have arose. If any of you want to place blame, stand in front of a mirror. When this country falls, it will be our fault. We failed ourselves. We let government get to this point. All they did was divide us on issues, we were just too stupid to recognize the true enemy.
But admitting that wouldn't fit into your agenda. Just like admitting that a national health care system is fiscal suicide for this nation wouldn't fit into the Democrats agenda. A true Statesman knows when it's time to admit his country's faults, to bring them to light and acknowledge them, and ultimately set a course to remedy them. How else would the American people know to trust him if he didn't? How else would the country know that this person truly sees what is wrong with our country?
All you are doing is using the same bullshit tactics that a true politician uses. If they don't agree, defame. Don't want to support the Patriot Act? Well then, you're not a patriot. Don't want to support national health care turns into why don't you want the children to get vaccines? Ultimately it comes down to a gross lack of personal accountability. Everyone is too afraid to admit when they are wrong.
Now Hell, I normally agree with what you have to say. I find what the Executive branch is doing as of late to be horribly damaging to our nation, quite possibly irreversibly. But you are wrong on this. Sure, this thread wasn't about Ron Paul, or 9/11, but I felt obligated to defend your defamation of a person who is in no way the person you insinuated him to be. This man is the closest our generation ever came to a founding father, and the fact the we merely brushed him aside as a "nut," speaks volumes to how screwed we really are. Show me another politician who openly admits that he is restricted by the constitution. Show me a former presidential candidate who agrees that the constitution doesn't grant freedoms to the people, but instead restricts government. Show me another who takes that oath of office seriously, and not as a formality.
In the end, it all comes back the the Constitution. Read it, all of you. Truly absorb it. Let it consume you. Compare it to what the government is doing now. The document itself isn't that difficult to understand, it is the courts and legislature and executive branch that has perverted it so. If only we would obey and respect the constitution as it was meant to be respected, as the supreme law of the land, a significant majority of our problem would never even have arose. If any of you want to place blame, stand in front of a mirror. When this country falls, it will be our fault. We failed ourselves. We let government get to this point. All they did was divide us on issues, we were just too stupid to recognize the true enemy.
I'm talking about how the public perceives him. He can get 30-40% in a straw poll at CPAC, but it means SHIT. Listen to commentators, listen to the public mood about RP. The general consensus is "haha...that crank... no chance".
And the two main reasons people bring up for thinking/believing/feeling that way are his positions on the Fed and foreign policy. I've already stated two ways he can make his position more attractive to voters. I agree that the Federal Reserve causes practically all market distortions, but framing is everything in politics. Obama was elected almost totally because of a marketing campaign and his ability to read a speechwriter's words in a booming voice.
Like I said, I'm not really interested in arguing whether or not he's right. I don't think either side is. Ayman al-Zawahiri, the no. 2 guy in Al Qaeda, was trained and financed by the KGB. The KGB was the one of the first nations to perfect airplane hijackings as a tactic and terrorism as a proxy tool. In my mind, it's not as simple as an unjustified attack, but it's simultaneously not as easily explained as mere brushback. There is too much strategy behind it. The propaganda is too finely tuned. Everything fits together too well to just be a loose coalition of aggrieved Muslims. But like I said, my opinion doesn't affect RP's chances.
Basically, he cannot succeed in the current political dynamic. The Dems have the socialists/left-wing loons/far-left anarchists/Manhattan liberal vote locked up, and the conservative movement as a whole displays Battered Wife Syndrome all the time. They still believe leaving the Republican Party spells suicide.
The only chance a libertarian/constitutionalist/freedom/originalist movement has is if the ruling elite make a drastic power grab, something I envision occurring down the road. Something that will cause the electorate as a whole to not care about the parties anymore and vote pure principle. Only in that environment could a principled proponent of the Constitution be elevated into a position of power. Until then, however, expect the continued shuffle from socialist to socialist-lite.
Suck it, Trebek.
OMFG - quoting government projections? Are you fucking serious? ...I am hoping it's a joke, nobody really believes these money grabbing, nepotistic, megalomaniacs do they?
Government is a fucking joke, gone terribly fucking wrong.
2003 CBO drug cost projections: 400 Billion
2005 CBO drug cost projections: 720 Billion
-- not bad, they were only off by 320 Billion on the first estimate.
Look up ANY fucking original projections - you will find that the real number is double, triple, often 10X the orginal projection. I thought everyone knew this...
I guess NLP works - government has been brainwashing the sheep for 100 years now.
Yes, sorry I quoted the CBO. You're a random asshole on the internet who doesn't know anything, what do you think? Actually, I think according to your logic the health care bill will save 3 times what's suggested in the graph, right? Profits for all!
It is a "projection", the only way to know the exact numbers it to get a time machine. In the meantime I suggest we just continue letting health care and entitlements bankrupt the country, the path you idiots seem to be on.
The people aren't what? Presumably roughly half way between the Republicans and Democrats on that graph?
Ah, okay, you're a black helicopter nut job who was kicked off RedState. Obama can't get healthcare pushed through with a supermajority, do you really think he's part of a conspiracy theory to enslave the people?
I see retards on TV screaming about raised taxes, gun control and reductions in freedoms, but since Obama was elected everything has gone in the opposite direction. In hick states you can carry loaded guns in bars, there was a tax reduction for the middle class and a "plot" to increase healthcare coverage and reduce cost (though admittedly only the tip of the iceberg is being polished there).
Anyways, tell me about water fluoridation and how it's going to eat my babies. But first get rid of your health insurance and get shot in a bar arguing with your brother about which of your sisters is more attractive.
I'm just going to start quoting you and putting "this" because it's right every single time.
...I don't know hellblazer. You used to seem like a complete idiot that at least had proper fundamentals. But now you just seem to be a complete idiot brain washed by Fox - which in no better, probably worse, than being a CNN junkie.
When you try to push morals and ethics on somebody either physically or verbally the aggregation will get to a point where you simply fight back. Doesn't matter who it is that is aggravating you...
Let's keep on pushing certain ethnic groups buttons and then wait for a nuclear bomb to go off in Times Square - or for multiple bombing all over the country to happen by suicide bombers. Should count ourselves very lucky that nothing has happened as of yet.
BTW, I was flying through Toronto the other day and US security had to go through everybody's bags. Not one could go through without being opened up and tested for bomb like material. Also everyones hands had to be tested. Because of my tight connection - and the fucking idiots working there who said my socks had metal in it - hurrr nope they didn't - I missed my flight.
So what do we do with the terrorist and anti-American sentiment. Evidently bowing before them and giving speeches about how great they are doesn't work (BO has tried it). Are we going to give them billions to make them happy (tried that) Are we going to help them drive the soviet union out of thier lands to make them love us (been there). Oh maybe we should drop Israel in the grease to make them happy?
People seem to forget that Islamic fundalmentalist have HATED the west long before Bush. Remember Carter? he was a liberal, appologist fuck and look what happened under his watch.
The powers that be in the Islamic world, use our occupation, a rare stray bomb etc. to whip up frenzy in the middle east. The liberals of this country are to blame for this as well. The hatred you see from the middle east is fabricated. It is a result of a HUGE propaganda campaign conducted by the clerics and the American/Euro left fucks.
They want war with us. They want to kill everyone one of us. They want to cut your head from your body and rape your mom, sisters and gf/wife before they crush a stone into their heads. Nothing will satisfy the extremist. They will not bargain nor will they adhere to diplomacy. The only choice I see is to wipe every extremist we can find off the map.
It doesn't matter what President did what or when. Its too late to bow down and give in to them. They extremist want to kill us and nothing will stop them but to kill every single one of them first.
Sigh... this is getting pathetic. Again, why the fuck are you or the other Paulnuts trying to convince me? I'm telling you what the PUBLIC PERCEPTION is. Keep the tired Canadian stereotypes of conservatives - they're predictable, boring, and trite.
It seems I've struck a nerve with those who hold him dear because I stated the obvious. I'll say it again. He'll never be President in this current environment. That's just the way it is. Ron Paul will never be President. If you really want to help him, help him with his message, or his framing, or his marketing, whatever. Denying the obvious will get you nowhere. Personally, I think he'd do a LOT better than 90% of the criminals in Washington, but I'm also not drinking the Ron Paul Koolaid. There's a shitload of stuff he'd have to do to even dream about having a chance, and he's currently not doing them.