Marxist Administration Aiming To Silence, Imprison Patriotic Americans For Dissent
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I have yet to see anywhere on this forum, in any of the political threads, anyone say that bush wasn't a fuck up.
The difference is, Bush at least said he was doing what he was doing to protect us from terrorist. When Obama really gets rolling, he will say that he is doing what he is doing to protect us from ourselves. Do we really need protection from ourselves? Do we really need the government forcing us to donate to charity forcefully by disguising it with the creation of new taxes?
I'm not sure that I would go as far as Hellblazer, but I do agree to a certain extent that Obama is a marxist and is pushing such an agenda. Just look at who he has appointed to surround him, and even Obama supporters have to shake their head and say "what the fuck".
It all boils down to Obama thinking that everyone deserves to have the same shit. To accomplish that, he is willing to oppress and take from those in the country that have found a way to "get ahead" using the opportunities that our freedom has provided us. This can't be denied, because he has for the most part admitted as much several times over.
By nature, I'm not a very political person. I just want to be left the fuck alone. I just want to make my money, take care of my family, and be left the fuck alone. Is that too much to ask?
Did you guys here about Obamas newest plan for getting reelected? His plan is to give convicted felons the right to vote again. I wonder if those convicted felons would be in the percentage that would need free health care, welfare, and for a redistribution of wealth to happen?
It's obvious that shit is being manipulated on a level not seen before, I'm just surprised that everyone can't see it.
Was Bush's over 1 trillion dollar expansion of Medicare to protect us from terrorists?
They can already vote in like 40 states. On a related note, Bush signed the Second Chance Act, which forces you to help released prisoners pay for housing, medical care and other things.
Wait, so Bush is more innocent because he said he's doing what he was doing to protect us from terrorists (namely, helping dismantle the Constitution)?
Except Liberalist media and sites like Digg (which used to be more Ron Paul/pro-Constitution, go figure) aren't giving the impression of people shaking their heads. Looks to me they're having way to much fun clowning opposing conservatives, not realizing the bigger issue (the whole government is corrupt, not because of one party or the other, there's some higher collective corporatist influence going on).
You've seen how happy the liberals appear about the healthcare bill.
I agree.
That's my whole point.
But just because Bush preceded Obama in the escalating ass raping our Government is handing us, does not make him any less responsible.
We're here arguing against ourselves, THE PEOPLE, when the Government has clearly split us apart with the intention of distracting our attention away from them, and instead blame each other for their dirt.
I'm saying right or wrong, Bush was at least able to give a reason that seemed somewhat valid ala "we need to do this or they are going to blow us the fuck up" VS "people that have money should feel like shit about it and be more than happy to share it with everyone else"
Like I said, I don't think you will find very many people here who thought Bush was a good president. Maybe they did in the beginning, but the end was a different story.
On the other hand, the left Bitched about what bush did, but hold Obama up as a champion for ass raping the people of this country like has never been done before.
Obama shows a blatant disrespect for the constitution and the will of any person that doesn't agree with an obviously socialist agenda. That isn't something that the right is "making up" that is something that should be clearly apparent to anyone with even half a brain cell.
Just listen to him talk, watch what he does, and pay attention to who he surrounds himself with.
I honestly can't remember any president in history trying to take us down the road that Obama is, and surprisingly people are actually willing to let him do it.
His Agenda at the moment is to turn the rich against the poor - the haves against the have nots - the realists vs the dreamers...and it is working like a charm.
In a word: Yes.
Absolutely, yes. Because while I'm sure you personally donated A LOT of your income to charity voluntarily last year, fact is that most people don't. You can't have a fire department in every town, streets all across the country for you to drive on for free, free public schools for your kids, space exploration for the nation's pride, weather forecasts, customs inspections to keep Americans safe from tainted and illicit imports, a police force that helps provide a safe environment for free, child protection agencies, an Environmental Protection Agency to prevent over-greedy profiteers from polluting our rivers and air with toxins just to make an extra buck as they do in China, an SEC to keep insider trading in check which is only harmful to the small investors that we all are compared to the big funds... you can't have any of that based on voluntary donations.
And I haven't even touched on healthcare at all. What about Medicare, Medicaid, free emergency care - to be paid by donations? Healthcare, IMHO, does not lend itself well to private enterprise. The first interest of any for-profit entity will always be ... profit. Not your well-being. That's why you have absurd things like pre-existing condition denials, binding arbitration clauses, ridiculous payment scales by age (anyone who has private insurance now, have you checked what you would pay in your same plan when you're 60?), etc. Unlike in normal markets, you have only limited control over your medical needs. Sure you can live healthy, but what if you're Matt from the other thread and have the "choice" of paying $250,000 for brain cancer surgery or die? Is that a free market choice, like you buy this new car or you don't?
I think it's the right move to add healthcare to the long list of other services above that make sense in the government's hands. Because - at least in theory - to get re-elected, the government's best interest SHOULD BE the well-being of its people, not profit.
But that only works if participation is not voluntary. Because then you'd have young guys like Matt who think they're chronically healthy and don't need insurance. Only to come begging for donations once reality strikes. Or they get only the most basic emergency coverage and once they get older and actually need more care, they realize they can't afford the astronomical rates for elderly people. So what to do? Just die early? No. Put all in a big pool, have everyone contribute to the best of their ability and have everyone covered to their needs. If you want luxury care, you can have private insurance on top of that. In fact, the only reason why I'm not happy with the healthcare bill is because it does not have a public option.
There's nothing Marxist about this. At all.
But is he the Anti-Christ?
Quarter of Republicans Think Obama May Be the Anti-Christ | LiveScience
80+ percent of congress supported the Second Chance Act.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzJgmmESQJ0]YouTube - President Bush Thanks Congressman Cannon for 2nd Chance Act[/ame]
"I want to thank the folks who care enough about their fellow citizens to offer their love and compassion... We act on that belief by helping former prisoners..."
So thats 25% of the population that we know for sure are absolute idiots. And even if one were to believe that the antichrist existed, based on scriptures would be someone we wouldn't expect, someone that even the extreme would be ok for, I dunno such as Ron Paul.
, to think Obama would be the anti-christ, would be 'too easy'. I find most people who start yelling, anti-christ, socialist, communist, etc to really have no clue at all.
So, where do you personally draw the line? Deep down, you don't feel like you should be able to do what you want with your money? Or, is it just that you don't make enough cash for it to make a difference?
Because personally, I'm sick and fucking tired of my income increasing, and the amount of money I actually get to keep decreasing.
So, by your logic, every single thing out there should somehow be reformed by the government? After all, I'm sure that a grocery stores number one concern is profit, and not making sure that everyone in America gets the exact number of calories they are supposed to have on a daily basis.
Coming soon: GROCERY REFORM - Because everyone deserves to eat Delmonico Steaks instead of Ramen Noodles.
In case you missed it, there were already programs in place for "poor people" to get insurance. Does Medicaid ring a bell? If it was simply about forcing insurance companies to accept people with pre-existing conditions, there was no need to pretty much take shit over from A-Z.
Do you realize in a couple of years that you personally won't be allowed to buy a health insurance plan unless it is deemed acceptable by the government? If your plan isn't acceptable, you get fined. That is fucking bullshit.
One thing is for sure, nothing the government ever does is make a profit. Instead, it will cost those that actually make a living out the ass to pay for the governments mismanagement, fuck ups, and blunders. Other than some programs related to wars, the government has never run ANYTHING efficiently, on budget, or for the benefit of the majority of the people.
You stupid mother fucker. In the country that we live in, almost everything that we do or don't do as long as our actions don't affect others is supposed to be voluntary.
I almost can't wait until the shit really hits the fan with this health insurance shit, good doctors quit, and hospital waiting rooms start looking like the front stoops of the projects.
Life isn't supposed to be fair. Shit, my neighbor just added a fucking 1000sq/ft addition onto his house, I'd love to do it right now, but it's not in my budget. I think we should do housing reform so that I can have as many sq/ft as he has. After all, everyone has the right to have a nice place to live right? Everyone has the right to eat? Everyone has the right to drive a nice car? Everyone deserves to wear nice clothes?
I think far to many people confuse what "rights" really are. You have the right to get out of life whatever the fuck you get out of it. If you can't afford health insurance, get another job, get a part time job, if your a woman, stat fucking a rich dude, do what normal people do and find a way to make it work. Thinking that the rest of society owes you shit is a fucked up way to go through life.
Wake up
In other words, you're a totalitarian who wants to steal money from one person and give it to whomever YOU deem fit to receive it. You're nothing more than a mere thug. Property rights mean nothing to you. Limits on taxation mean nothing to you. Free market entrepeneurs are 'greedy profiteers' who must be controlled. The have-nots and downtrodden must be lifted up by the strength, force and violence of government power.
Nope, nothing Marxist about that at all. Those are definitely free market principles you're espousing there.
That 'reason' was nothing more than an excuse to take away our constitutional rights and then fuck us in the ass with them.
And on the other hand, the right Bitched about what Clinton did but held up Bush as a champion for ass raping the people of the country like has never done before.
Bush showed a blatant disrespect for the constitution and the will of any person that doesn't agree with...
I didn't vote for Obama, Hillary, McCain, Ron... as I stated in another thread. Same league, same manager, different teams, angry fans.
You aren't saying Bush was a good president but you are making Obama out to be much, much worse. They are BOTH the same. Obama isn't going to fuck us over any more than Bush did. Bush took from the poor to give to the rich and Obama wants to take from the rich and give to the poor. This is why they pit us against each other! It works!
Those 'crazy left-wingers' voted for Obama because he is offering what THEY need/want. Those 'crazy right-wingers' voted for Bush/McCain because he is offering what THEY need/want. Nothing more, nothing less.
How easily we forget things. No, no other president took us down this -exact- road but each president seems to take us down the road of a thousand dildos fucking -someone(group)- in the ass. It's just a different road of dildos each time!
That agenda is nothing new! That is -the- agenda since the dawn of time (ok maybe a little later) and every president goes with it because it's working.
But sure. Lets keep blaming individual presidents and then getting upset at the people who follow them, cause that is certainly working in -our- favor.
We really just need :batman:
HellBlazer--
If you REALLY believed this you'd be out on the street with a sign warning as many people as possible standing on a plastic milk crate instead of inside, creating posts in Shooting The Shit.
If the conspiracy you say is happening, you'd be trying to start a community of like minded intellectuals to help coordinate ways to stop this from happening -- not jerking off a bunch of people on a message board.
I for one welcome our new communist over lords.
If you REALLY believed this you'd be out on the street with a sign warning as many people as possible standing on a plastic milk crate instead of inside, creating posts in Shooting The Shit.
If the conspiracy you say is happening, you'd be trying to start a community of like minded intellectuals to help coordinate ways to stop this from happening -- not jerking off a bunch of people on a message board.
I for one welcome our new communist over lords.
^^^^^^^^^ Fuck, why didn't I think of that before?
It's all already been done, so just shut the fuck up and take it. Holy shit, I can't believe I didn't think of that myself.
Hey everyone, Don't worry, People jacking your freedoms, stealing your money, and dictating your quality of life is nothing new.
Move along, nothing to see here!
It's all already been done, so just shut the fuck up and take it. Holy shit, I can't believe I didn't think of that myself.
Hey everyone, Don't worry, People jacking your freedoms, stealing your money, and dictating your quality of life is nothing new.
Move along, nothing to see here!
You have no idea what else I'm doing. Creating a WF thread takes about 2 seconds.
But I guess you must be right. I don't REALLY believe this is happening. There aren't self-admitted communists in the White House pursuing a Marxist agenda. I don't REALLY believe that. I mean, otherwise, I'd be pursuing some action that you deem most effective. And since you clearly track my every move and I'm not following your pre-approved course of action, therefore we really just live in a sunshine and daisies world where Obama is the Lollipop King. And with that ironclad logic, the entire premise of this thread collapses into dust.
You must have been the captain of your debate team in high school.
I had no idea there could be so many fucking crazies in the affiliate marketing business. I thought most of us had our heads on right....
Just curious, what kind of civic engagement (or other activities) are you involved in to promote your views?