To Catch a Predator is the best show of all time

And as far as punishing guys for thoughts and not criminal activity. Wow. They fully expect to go over there and stick their dick into some kid and you think nothing should be done about it until after somebody get's raped or molested?

But its not a kid talking to them, they never give us the full chat logs just the "juicy" parts. If they really were talking to a real 12yr girl she would not say they needed to bring condoms and a bottle of grey goose. I agree that the people caught on the show are seriously weak minded, and are pretty fucked up. But that cop SOLD them on the idea just like we do. Its our job to convince that chick that she has to have them berries, its their job to say whatever it takes to get that guy to come over.

I am sure that this makes the conversation more adult in nature and discusses things most 12yrs would never know about (booze, drugs, sex toys, safe sex). Which then convinces the guy that these girls/boys are more mature and adult like. Probably justifying to them why then can go though with it. I believe the idea of a show catching these men is good they go about it the wrong way.
 


But that cop SOLD them on the idea just like we do. Its our job to convince that chick that she has to have them berries, its their job to say whatever it takes to get that guy to come over.

You can sell weight loss supplements
You can sell teeth whiteners
You can't sell pedophilia
 
But its not a kid talking to them, they never give us the full chat logs just the "juicy" parts. If they really were talking to a real 12yr girl she would not say they needed to bring condoms and a bottle of grey goose. I agree that the people caught on the show are seriously weak minded, and are pretty fucked up. But that cop SOLD them on the idea just like we do. Its our job to convince that chick that she has to have them berries, its their job to say whatever it takes to get that guy to come over.

Seriously??... comparing selling berries to women to "selling" sex to adult men who want to rape little girls??

We are talking about children here who don't have the mental capacity to determine right from wrong yet. These sting operations are here to protect them from creepy adult men who try and take advantage of this. The men are clearly informed by the decoy that they are 12-13 yrs old, yet they still get in their cars and drive to a location to "meet-up" with them.

If a pedo is willing to go to these great lengths to initiate contact with a child via online, there is a good chance they would try and take advantage of children in their own neighborhoods, children of family members, etc.
 
LOL.

So half of Europe "rapes little girls" becasuse they have an aoc below 16?:ugone2far:

"all universal moral principles are idle fancies" -Marquis De Sade

i.e there are NO universal moral principles, every country,culture,religion,tribe,whatever is different.

I have a friend from Brazil (Fortaleza) who has dated girls not much older than the ones this show looks at as "little girls".... they aren't down there. guys who are in their 20's routinely date girls 15-18 and it's no big deal. In fact they are envied by the losers who date old hags.
 
LOL.

So half of Europe "rapes little girls" becasuse they have an aoc below 16?:ugone2far:

"all universal moral principles are idle fancies" -Marquis De Sade

i.e there are NO universal moral principles, every country,culture,religion,tribe,whatever is different.

I have a friend from Brazil (Fortaleza) who has dated girls not much older than the ones this show looks at as "little girls".... they aren't down there. guys who are in their 20's routinely date girls 15-18 and it's no big deal. In fact they are envied by the losers who date old hags.

If you think sexual contact between a 12-13yr old girl and a 18yr+ man (often it's MUCH older men in their 30's-40's) is ok, then I sure hope you don't live in the US!
 
LOL.

So half of Europe "rapes little girls" becasuse they have an aoc below 16?:ugone2far:

"all universal moral principles are idle fancies" -Marquis De Sade

i.e there are NO universal moral principles, every country,culture,religion,tribe,whatever is different.

I have a friend from Brazil (Fortaleza) who has dated girls not much older than the ones this show looks at as "little girls".... they aren't down there. guys who are in their 20's routinely date girls 15-18 and it's no big deal. In fact they are envied by the losers who date old hags.

Citing Europe's age of consent would be a wonderful example how social mores vary between countries, cultures, and ethnicities if any EU countries had an AOC that allowed you to bang a 12 or 13 year old (which is the purported age of the decoy kids was), I guess sadly for you that isn't the case since 14 years old seems to be where Europe bottoms out. And if banging 14 year olds qualifies as enlightened, well good on you bro.

So unless you anticipate a bunch of Roman Polanski super fans are going to be swept into power in Europe the pedophiles in the dateline video would be considered pedophiles in Europe too, the Marquis De Sade's libertine verbal bon mot not withstanding.
 
So unless you anticipate a bunch of Roman Polanski super fans are going to be swept into power in Europe the pedophiles in the dateline video would be considered pedophiles in Europe too, the Marquis De Sade's libertine verbal bon mot not withstanding.

Ok, so let me get this straight. You're a "pedophile" if you are over 18 and date someone under 14? or is it 13? So the entire country of Spain are a group of "pedophiles"?


Germany, Italy, and a few others have the aoc set at 14 that's just 1 year older than your "pedophile" definition. So it makes all of those countries borderline dateline material?

LOL. FAIL...Try again.
 
Ok, so let me get this straight. You're a "pedophile" if you are over 18 and date someone under 14? or is it 13? So the entire country of Spain are a group of "pedophiles"?


Germany, Italy, and a few others have the aoc set at 14 that's just 1 year older than your "pedophile" definition. So it makes all of those countries borderline dateline material?

LOL. FAIL...Try again.

So where is the cut off? 13 isn't that much different than 14 and 12 isn't that much different than 13, and I can't tell the difference between an 11 year old and a 12 year so I guess we're cool there, and if 11 is cool then 10 can't really be that bad because it's still double digits right?

Oh wait, you got me cause you put LOL FAIL at the end. I eat my words.
 
Ok, so let me get this straight. You're a "pedophile" if you are over 18 and date someone under 14? or is it 13? So the entire country of Spain are a group of "pedophiles"?


Germany, Italy, and a few others have the aoc set at 14 that's just 1 year older than your "pedophile" definition. So it makes all of those countries borderline dateline material?

LOL. FAIL...Try again.

Even Spain, Germany and Italy have laws that also stipulate the specific activities that are permitted and/or differentially specify the age at which a given sex can participate.

You have to remember that Perverted Justice is going after complete strangers who are trying to make contact with children. Nothing good can come from that scenario.
 
So where is the cut off? 13 isn't that much different than 14 and 12 isn't that much different than 13, and I can't tell the difference between an 11 year old and a 12 year so I guess we're cool there, and if 11 is cool then 10 can't really be that bad because it's still double digits right?

Oh wait, you got me cause you put LOL FAIL at the end. I eat my words.

that would be your own reasoning not mine.

You still haven't answered my question. If you define "pedophile" (which isn't even the correct term BTW;) as anyone who goes after someone of a certain age then you're the one stipulating a cutoff of 1 year or less depending on how you look at it. Before we go any further, since the media and hanson have brainwashed you here's the CORRECT defintion of a pedophile

pe·do·phile   [pee-duh-fahyl] Show IPA
–nounPsychiatry.
an adult who is sexually attracted to young children.

Here's what the majority of the dateline guys are

Hebeophile
1. hebephile
Someone who is attracted to adolescents.
A hebephile prefers to be with teenagers.

But, even that encounters some problems why? because it's a piped up bullshit definition propogated by idiots who don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

Here's another link with a respected psychiatrist who happens to side with me.. got any scientists who side with you?
SpringerLink - Journal Article



@ Pocketrockets, I'm not saying it cool for older guys to take advantage of young girls, what I was trying to say is guys in this country that are 18 and have a gf who says she's 16 but is actually 14 shouldn't be put in prison for 10 years, that's a joke, and why much of the world looks at us as idiots.
 
@ Pocketrockets, I'm not saying it cool for older guys to take advantage of young girls, what I was trying to say is guys in this country that are 18 and have a gf who says she's 16 but is actually 14 shouldn't be put in prison for 10 years, that's a joke, and why much of the world looks at us as idiots.

What you are referring to is basically falls under the "romeo and juliet laws" -- teens having consensual sex.

How many cases can you list in that scenario where the guy served 10 yrs in prison?

Even if the guy was already 18 at the time it's rare that he would serve any prison time if he was with a 14yr old.

This is all completely different from what the Perverted Justice is trying to accomplish.
 
that would be your own reasoning not mine.

You still haven't answered my question. If you define "pedophile" (which isn't even the correct term BTW;) as anyone who goes after someone of a certain age then you're the one stipulating a cutoff of 1 year or less depending on how you look at it.

But you didn't answer my question as to what the cut off age is which is what you are expecting of me, you obviously have (I hope) some age in mind where it probably isn't okay. What is it?

Before we go any further, since the media and hanson have brainwashed you here's the CORRECT defintion of a pedophile

pe·do·phile   [pee-duh-fahyl] Show IPA
–nounPsychiatry.
an adult who is sexually attracted to young children.

Here's what the majority of the dateline guys are

Hebeophile
1. hebephile
Someone who is attracted to adolescents.
A hebephile prefers to be with teenagers.

The decoys gave their age, you're assuming that these guys would have stayed away if the decoy would have said they were 9 or 10, neither of us know that but I'll be willing to bet a 45 year old guy willing to bang a 13 year old boy would be just as willing to bang a 10 year old boy. Maybe you don't agree. Most (ostensibly unenlightened) people would err on the side of caution like me.

Here's another link with a respected psychiatrist who happens to side with me.. got any scientists who side with you?
SpringerLink - Journal Article

I'm okay not rushing out to find the science saying sex between a 45 year old and and a 13 year old isn't right. You did, do you have some kind of vested interest in these distinctions?


@ Pocketrockets, I'm not saying it cool for older guys to take advantage of young girls, what I was trying to say is guys in this country that are 18 and have a gf who says she's 16 but is actually 14 shouldn't be put in prison for 10 years, that's a joke, and why much of the world looks at us as idiots.

Not addressed at me but, I actually do make a distinction between the targets in the dateline stuff and two teenagers one of which is and another which isn't of the age of consent, that's just teen hormones. And the decoys didn't say they were 16 (again that is a whole different situation) they were clear that they were saying they were 13 year olds. Why the need to steer the topic into something that isn't the matter at hand? It's when you have a 13 year old and a guy with a 25-40 year age differential, it's pathetic, it's creepy, it's sick. Get over it.
 
But you didn't answer my question as to what the cut off age is which is what you are expecting of me, you obviously have (I hope) some age in mind where it probably isn't okay. What is it?

I don't believe there should be any laws governing who has sex with who. People young and old will naturally gravitate toward what is in their biologically programmed best interest. The govt, or any religion for that matter only serves to cater to the fickle interest of societies constantly changing ideas of what is "right" or what is "wrong".

I met my wife when she was 15 and I was 20, we literally fell in love at first site and have 2 beautiful children 11 years later. Am I a "pervert" for being with her when we were both younger? Maybe I should've waited till she moved away cause she wasn't 16 yet, then I would still be dating or with someone I don't truly care for.


I'm okay not rushing out to find the science saying sex between a 45 year old and and a 13 year old isn't right. You did, do you have some kind of vested interest in these distinctions?

That's exactly the problem, when you look at issues like this or in the media, many times people rely on their worthless opinions which mean absolutely nothing if not backed by sound research and the science that makes it happen. That's all they are....opinions.

I've been a scientist for over 10 years and studied various fields of evolutionary biology, psychology, theory, and mating behaviors of humans.

I can reference mountains of research when I talk about stuff like this, research that is both peer reviewed as well as located in some of the most prestigious journals in the world. The problem with society is they think they know what they're talking about but in reality, have no clue what biological laws govern our predilections or behaviors.

I can tell you why males who are between 15-25 commit almost all the violent crime, I can tell you why a waist to hip ratio in women for .67 is ideal, or how about neonotenous features? maybe you'd like to know that the maximum age of fecundity is 21 (the age at which a woman is most likely to give birth to a healthy baby) or that women are more likely to cheat with men who have higher testosterone during the period when they're most fertile (ovulation)

I can engage you further in this conversation but only if you're willing to back up with facts or hard science all that you're saying, other than that you're arguing an "opinion" which is just that.



addressed at me but, I actually do make a distinction between the targets in the dateline stuff and two teenagers one of which is and another which isn't of the age of consent, that's just teen hormones. And the decoys didn't say they were 16 (again that is a whole different situation) they were clear that they were saying they were 13 year olds. Why the need to steer the topic into something that isn't the matter at hand? It's when you have a 13 year old and a guy with a 25-40 year age differential, it's pathetic, it's creepy, it's sick. Get over it.

get over what? the science and facts that I been giving you throughout my replies? The fact that there is no such thing as universal morality? or the fact that half the planet disagress with you strongly as is evident by their laws governing these behaviors?
 
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I don't believe there should be any laws governing who has sex with who. People young and old will naturally gravitate toward what is in their biologically programmed best interest.

Four year old and a forty year old, sick or star crossed lovers? If you won't make any delineation or cut-offs when does it go from "naturally gravitate" to predatory?

I met my wife when she was 15 and I was 20, we literally fell in love at first site and have 2 beautiful children 11 years later. Am I a "pervert" for being with her when we were both younger?

If your daughter's (or son's) teacher called you and your wife in for a parent teacher conference and said "hey guys, Kelly is a really special third grader, she and I have a great connection, I'd like to take her to Vegas for the weekend." Do you let her go despite how much little Kelly tells you she likes Mr. Garret and how much he favors her over all other kids? You and your wife were around the age of the "romeo/juliet" scenario, like the video that started this all, I'm concerned by the extremes and the outliers. You say you're a scientist, so surely you admit that the human mind and emotions are subject to manipulation and exploitation, would a forum like this or advertising as we know it exist if they weren't?

The fact that there is no such thing as universal morality? or the fact that half the planet disagress with you strongly as is evident by their laws governing these behaviors?

Don't confuse apathy with Enlightenment, do you really think if some Spanish legislator/parliamentarian/whatever introduced a law to make the age of consent 16 instead of 13 there would be rioting in the streets? Europe isn't necessarily more Enlightened than us, they're just as lazy as us in different ways.

This is going nowhere.
 
Citing Europe's age of consent would be a wonderful example how social mores vary between countries, cultures, and ethnicities if any EU countries had an AOC that allowed you to bang a 12 or 13 year old (which is the purported age of the decoy kids was), I guess sadly for you that isn't the case since 14 years old seems to be where Europe bottoms out.

It was 12 in Spain until not too long ago.


(aka the good old days)