this is all that needed to be said and nothing else. done deal, you fucked up, and got caught. Now deal with it
How I Lost $4,600 through COPEAC
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this is all that needed to be said and nothing else. done deal, you fucked up, and got caught. Now deal with it
Read the fucking thread before you comment dipshit.
There is no argument that the allegedly "illegally" iframed leads would not and should not be paid. The fact is that 3 weeks of 100% direct linked traffic is NOT being paid as a result.
Moral of the story - You should be fucked of all traffic you ran with an advertiser because you apparently went outside of the (unstated) terms for 2 days?
I am 100% agreeing that the iframed leads should not be paid. But the fact that the advertiser is making a blanket statement that all leads were 'fraud' is fucking ridiculous, first of all, and secondly that the network is taking the advertiser's word on it and not going to listen to the affiliate at all is bullshit and really makes me wonder about the potential repercussions of doing volume.
I do 10K/day for 3 weeks and on day 22 the advertiser sees that I'm bidding on a KW they don't like (but haven't stated anywhere). It makes sense that I have all of my leads (210K) scrubbed as a result? If that's the case, I want to be a fucking advertiser and pull bullshit statements like that out of my ass and make up terms after I see an affiliate pushing numbers.
I have a question for you pa. No sarcasm intended at all, but if your friend did in fact totally get screwed and was doing everything right while direct linking, then what would you suggest all of us do in the future? I mean, ive never had an issue like this, but if everything your friend has talked about really did happen then that is messed up and he should be payed for the direct linking. I didnt mean to sound like an ass, it just seems like everyone and their mother is out to BS the rest of us who are trying to work stuff legitimately and make some honest dough. So again, what can we do in the future? I feel like screenshots dont hold and i cant really think of anything else.... This thread has really kinda got me thinking, i mean up un til this point i have never had a problem like this, but i guess things are bad to go to shits every now and then
And here I thought all email/zip submits were self optimizing and automatically adjusted their scrub based on how that specific pub was doing...
I wonder how long the advertiser would have went before they realized the traffic wasn't converting and told the pub to stop.
I wonder how long the advertiser would have went before they realized the traffic wasn't converting and told the pub to stop.
That's my frustration as well. I've been with Copeac for 3 years and have been one of the top earning affiliates with them. I think developing relationships is key, but I have a decent relationship with a number of people there and Krongel still seems to think that my friend is a scammer based on what the advertiser has told him.
Anytime there has been a discrepancy like this in my case, ie, me bidding on a keyword the advertiser doesn't like etc, I get warned, change my campaigns, and move forward. NEVER have I been fucked out of the entirety of my commissions with the advertiser.
I don't even know what to suggest in a similar situation. The advertiser told the network that the traffic was spammed (which is a lie) so that's what the network is basing their decision on.
Exactly. I want to be an advertiser and wait 6 months, find one of the affiliate's ads, point out something I want to dis-allow, and take all commissions for 6 months. Sounds like honest business to me.
network relationships = weekly payments.
That way if the advertiser screws you, they don't take away the total of everything you've pushed.
If it's a brand new affiliate, then the networks almost have to side with the advertiser. If you're just establishing a relationship, take it slow and make sure you're getting payments for them for a month or 2 then talk to your AM and make sure you push your $1k (or whatever) needed to get on weeklies.
As a new affiliate, $4.5k with no payment is a bit too much to push unless you can take that loss in stride. If that were the case here, we likely wouldn't be reading this thread.
He was on weekly wires before the fact and was using the EXACT same traffic (FB) for all campaigns he launched. In fact, he ran traffic for a week or two after this scrubbing occurred, but COPEAC held money he was earning after the fact to cover the amount they had previously wired to him.
I just posted about this above -- Using the same situation the OP has experienced, I would still be out monies owed as they held most current funds to cover their loss as money from the original 2 weeks had been paid.
But I think the main issue is that a network is not willing to fight for an affiliate (because the advertiser is making claims of fraud) and cover them in a situation like this. Really makes me wonder to be honest.
This situation is bad enough, but are you saying COPEAC paid the affiliate for the 3 weeks non-fraud leads and then held back funds earned in future? That seems like a very underhanded method to recoup costs to me. I am still confused how the OP ended up out so much if they were on (bi)weekly payouts.
I think the advertiser + Copeac are stiffing the affiliate for the legitimate traffic. I don't believe that the quality was bad because no email submit advertiser waits weeks to pull the plug. Those m---f--ers watch their stats daily. The advertiser did get some value from the traffic and Copeac should be defending the affiliate.
Nowhere did it state that he couldn't iframe, he's admitted to iframing but only for a short period, and there's no screenshot proof that he illegitimately iframed.
He should at least be paid SOMETHING.
Nowhere did it state that he couldn't iframe, he's admitted to iframing but only for a short period, and there's no screenshot proof that he illegitimately iframed.
He should at least be paid SOMETHING.
Well, I think whatever the amount network got paid should be paid to the pub. But as the network owner said they weren't paid for the traffic he thrown, the only solution could be that the network should work with the advertiser and settle to pay the pub for any leads those backed out for them.
And yeah, networks do hold the money you earn later and flags your account for fraud in those cases.
And yeah, networks do hold the money you earn later and flags your account for fraud in those cases.
I'm not sure of the exact timeline, but he was paid for weeks 1-2 I believe. Then this happened and they held funds (as he was originally told ONE week would be scrubbed). He continued running traffic, why not if you have a profitable campaign, and then WAS NOT paid monies earned after the fact to cover the 3+ weeks of scrub.
No questions EVER about traffic quality either. Shady
