Suck a Dick Vivera/Opes/Mike/Mitch/DEE
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There was just way too much money flying around in the rebill glory days for everyone to just walk away when the shit hit the fan. This type of stuff - retro chargebacks, long payment terms, are just ways for the rebill companies to try and make a go of it. Affiliates and networks can easily diversify. Merchants who specialize in one niche, not so much. So they're looking at the choice between changing their terms to be sustainable, or just closing up shop. Most company owners would rather have one last go at it before throwing in the towel.
I just wonder why they aren't changing their programs to %/sale or revshare and going into CJ/SAS where the affiliates there are used to, and accept that type of payout structure.
why the fuck anyone would still be running any of the Opes offers is beyond me. what am I not getting about this whole deal? I still see farticles with Opes/NutritionCraze deals all over the place and since the links run through Copeac I have to think that the pages are being run by affiliates and not by an employee of Dee's*. to those folks: there is no possible way your EPC's are high enough to be worth the risk of not getting paid guys. do some digging and find other offers!
*unless Dee has as firm enough grasp on Copeac's balls that Mike wont take the risk of pausing that traffic and thereby ensure that Dee doesn't pay him.
*unless Dee has as firm enough grasp on Copeac's balls that Mike wont take the risk of pausing that traffic and thereby ensure that Dee doesn't pay him.
OK I know this is a long shot, but how come people still use farticles/flogs after the FTC shit?
1) they think they've taken steps to protect themselves, however these haven't yet been tested
2) they have taken steps to protect themselves, these have been tested
3) they're gambling at high dollar amounts knowing that it's a calculated but good gamble based partially on comments 1 and 2
4) they're complete fucking idiots who feel it 'can't happen to them'
Take some combination of those - there's your answer.
From what I heard the format is okay so long as the story that your article is covering is legit. But in this case, the guys running this shit are using completely fake stories, claims that are above and beyond the 3 lbs/wk FTC guideline, and making claims that are pretty incredible. Either they are incredibly well connected (and know something that the rest of us don't) or they are incredibly stupid. I guess only time will tell.
Does anyone remember how long everyone stayed in the subprime mortgage business until it crushed their entire business model? Lead Gen, Mortgage Shops, etc etc. So these companies just have new merchant accounts lined up one after the other so they are ready to get closed down on one and move to another. It does take a mastermind to keep it going, but I agree with most on this thread, the second you don't get paid on time, move on.
3 - greed, stupidity, money.
as we've seen with this thread if you have enough money you get to make your own rules.
Oh I totally know the reasoning behind Opes changing their shit to Net60, but my question is who the fuck is gonna run a Net60 offer? I mean are CPA networks turning into Clickbank, where you get commissions and then you start to see refunds every other day for shit that hasn't backed out? Looks like it, and maybe I should start pushing CB shit again if this is the case, because you'll have alot smaller refunds with CB than you will with CPA chargebacks with Opes.
If the conversions are that good with these Opes offers, then I'm willing to bet that any person running with those conversion rates are doing relatively good numbers. So if you factor in the person is making on average $3K per day (modest income), do you really want to tie up your $180K worth of cashflow for 2 months with risk that you may not see any of that at all? The longer the terms, the better chances of you getting fucked. I know this is an obvious statement, but anyone agreeing to Net60 terms with Opes (or any other CPA network/offer for that matter) is a fucking retard.
I just thought of a possible explanation: the guys still running farticles are the one's who got hit with subpoenas and are not pulling down those pages because doing so would look like an admission of guilt?
Otherwise i figure it's gotta be someone offshore who isn't worried about someone taking their acai moniez (if they ever actually get them).
no idea bro- there has been one person/party in a niche on Google that I'd pay a good deal of money to just to understand how they've continued to do what they're doing for over a year at this point - not even to compete with them but solely to satisfy my curiosity because it's amazing.
i'll gladly accept though that those who are absolute beasts in the space are playing with a different set of rules and odds than many of us - from guarantees of payment to direct relationships in all sorts of places etc.
and good for them.
there are however others that are just stupid no0bs. several times a week one of my old pages gets stolen with the 202 tracking js left intact by some dumb warrior forum retards when they launch something suspect for anything from diet to bizop to edu to debt.
hell maybe the framework made it's way into a WSO that someone is slanging for $8.99 - who knows.
I think you're all forgetting the most obvious. Some running flogs and farticles don't live in the US, if I didn't live in the states, I would monitor FTC guidelines and do exactly what they prohibit. I've never heard of anybody being extradited on a "False Advertising" rap
I think you're all forgetting the most obvious. Some running flogs and farticles don't live in the US, if I didn't live in the states, I would monitor FTC guidelines and do exactly what they prohibit. I've never heard of anybody being extradited on a "False Advertising" rap
that falls squarely into my point #2 above.
If you ever decide to start breaking the law I suggest you be real careful or you'll make your public defender's job very very difficult.
To answer your question, I don't think anyone's going to run these campaigns. Why take the risk when there no real reason why you have to push a rebill like this. Any skilled marketer should be able to switch what they promote from rebills to other stuff relatively easily.
I would imagine the net60 campaign won't be on the network too long once they realize nobody's going to pick it up.
They are banking on the fact that it only takes a couple of retards to line their pocket. No fucking way would I let someone hold my money for 60 days, especially when they have already proven lately that they can't pay on time, but you can believe that there are a couple idiots out there that will still run them, and we will hear the horror stories 61 days from now.