This Is What You Retards Voted For - Own It

hellblazer

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I love how even the idiotic libs at USA Today are noticing this as if it's surprising. Keep discouraging hard work, keep stealing from the private sector, and keep giving money to stoned out, lazy bums. The Age Of Obama is truly a new Age of Enlightenment. This fucking idiot has dragged this once great nation into the gutter of socialism and he's only just begun.

One other thing to note. The decline in private pay and the increase in government money is almost identical; in fact, it's only off by a tenth of a percent. The correlation is striking.

Hope and change, indeed.

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Private pay shrinks to historic lows as gov't payouts rise

By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY Paychecks from private business shrank to their smallest share of personal income in U.S. history during the first quarter of this year, a USA TODAY analysis of government data finds.

At the same time, government-provided benefits — from Social Security, unemployment insurance, food stamps and other programs — rose to a record high during the first three months of 2010.

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Those records reflect a long-term trend accelerated by the recession and the federal stimulus program to counteract the downturn. The result is a major shift in the source of personal income from private wages to government programs.

The trend is not sustainable, says University of Michigan economist Donald Grimes. Reason: The federal government depends on private wages to generate income taxes to pay for its ever-more-expensive programs. Government-generated income is taxed at lower rates or not at all, he says. "This is really important," Grimes says.

The recession has erased 8 million private jobs. Even before the downturn, private wages were eroding because of the substitution of health and pension benefits for taxable salaries.

The Bureau of Economic Analysis reports that individuals received income from all sources — wages, investments, food stamps, etc. — at a $12.2 trillion annual rate in the first quarter.

Key shifts in income this year:

• Private wages. A record-low 41.9% of the nation's personal income came from private wages and salaries in the first quarter, down from 44.6% when the recession began in December 2007.

Government benefits. Individuals got 17.9% of their income from government programs in the first quarter, up from 14.2% when the recession started. Programs for the elderly, the poor and the unemployed all grew in cost and importance. An additional 9.8% of personal income was paid as wages to government employees.

The shift in income shows that the federal government's stimulus efforts have been effective, says Paul Van de Water, an economist at the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

"It's the system working as it should," Van de Water says. Government is stimulating growth and helping people in need, he says. As the economy recovers, private wages will rebound, he says.

Economist Veronique de Rugy of the free-market Mercatus Center at George Mason University says the riots in Greece over cutting benefits to close a huge budget deficit are a warning about unsustainable income programs.

Economist David Henderson of the conservative Hoover Institution says a shift from private wages to government benefits saps the economy of dynamism. "People are paid for being rather than for producing," he says.
 
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The trend is not sustainable, says University of Michigan economist Donald Grimes. Reason: The federal government depends on private wages to generate income taxes to pay for its ever-more-expensive programs. Government-generated income is taxed at lower rates or not at all, he says. "This is really important," Grimes says.
They needed an economist to figure that out? I swear, this shit is straight out of Atlas Shrugged.
 
I'm not sure how you're blaming those that voted for Obama for this mess as this entire economic catastrophe formed under the Bush administration and was in full swing when Obama was elected President.

I'm Canadian though, so I may be missing what you're getting at here. Are you saying that if McCain had been elected President he wouldn't have enabled the 8 million people that lost their jobs under the Bush administration to receive government benefits, thereby putting them on the streets, starving to death?

Please clarify.
 
I'm not sure how you're blaming those that voted for Obama for this mess as this entire economic catastrophe formed under the Bush administration and was in full swing when Obama was elected President.

I'm Canadian though, so I may be missing what you're getting at here. Are you saying that if McCain had been elected President he wouldn't have enabled the 8 million people that lost their jobs under the Bush administration to receive government benefits, thereby putting them on the streets, starving to death?

Please clarify.

You have to unchain the private sector for the economy to improve. Obama's doing the exact opposite, spending America into bankruptcy, crowding out private borrowers, stealing money from private businesses, etc.. Instead of doing what needs to be done to GET OUT of this economic slump, he's prolonging it, worsening it, exacerbating it, etc..

As for the other guy, McCain would have still been bad, but this idiot scumbag is a total trainwreck. Congratulations, all of you who stupidly voted for hope and change - you're getting some of the worst changes to America this nation has ever seen.
 
As we know, there is this big economic thing going on right now: it is bigger than one presidency and bigger than any of the various threatening politic agendas out there. It's the result of all the various stuff that has happened on all sides over the last 30-40 years.

I found it pretty interesting to read this article now, (by Warren Buffett in 2003):

America's Growing Trade Deficit Is Selling The Nation Out From Under Us. Here's A Way To Fix The Problem--And We Need To Do It Now. - November 10, 2003

It could definately be argued that we have shifted to a "Squanderville" style (from the above article) but it's ridiculous to say that it is happening only just now and just because of the current presidential administration.

To hellblazer: Why do you make such simple statements that you know are going to turn people off to whatever point you are making? If you consider yourself on a side, whatever it is, you are giving it a poor image.
 
This fucking idiot has dragged this once great nation into the gutter of socialism and he's only just begun.

Honest and quick questions here... So based on your statement above, the U.S. is no longer a great nation. So, when was it a great nation, in your opinion of course?

5 years ago? 25 years ago? 100 years ago?
 
You act like its a "liberal" thing and not a "big government" thing..

Why do you hate liberals so much when you yourself proclaim and admit that McCain isn't a solution, just the lesser of two evils? The problem is not one of the candidates, but both! Something bigger than just the President is wrong here.

There's a lot to rant and rave about, that much is granted, but you still somehow manage to divert attention away from the bigger issue with your putrid hatred of 1 half of the wholly corrupted 2-party system.

edit: if its not obvious enough, this post is directed toward hellblazer
 
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As we know, there is this big economic thing going on right now: it is bigger than one presidency and bigger than any of the various threatening politic agendas out there. It's the result of all the various stuff that has happened on all sides over the last 30-40 years.

I found it pretty interesting to read this article now, (by Warren Buffett in 2003):

America's Growing Trade Deficit Is Selling The Nation Out From Under Us. Here's A Way To Fix The Problem--And We Need To Do It Now. - November 10, 2003

It could definately be argued that we have shifted to a "Squanderville" style (from the above article) but it's ridiculous to say that it is happening only just now and just because of the current presidential administration.

To hellblazer: Why do you make such simple statements that you know are going to turn people off to whatever point you are making? If you consider yourself on a side, whatever it is, you are giving it a poor image.

Honestly, I'm bored of you bitches who can't blame Obama without trying to exonerate him somehow. What he's doing is unprecedented and on a whole other level. Everyone before him was socialist-lite to a degree, but he's the fullblown thing, which is why our destruction is accelerating. I'm not going to preface every condemnation of him with a blame-Bush/Clinton/Reagan/Greenspan comment as well. Wash the sand out of your vaginas and man up to the fact that this socialist bitch is the worst thing America has ever seen.

I don't want to hear these weak equivalency statements - man up, denounce him and atone for your vote. Admit this borderline-communist retard was a total mistake and you're sorry. Let's start there.
 
You act like its a "liberal" thing and not a "big government" thing..

Why do you hate liberals so much when you yourself proclaim and admit that McCain isn't a solution, just the lesser of two evils? The problem is not one of the candidates, but both! Something bigger than just the President is wrong here.

There's a lot to rant and rave about, that much is granted, but you still somehow manage to divert attention away from the bigger issue with your putrid hatred of 1 half of the wholly corrupted 2-party system.

edit: if its not obvious enough, this post is directed toward hellblazer
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Wow.

Still, this has been going slowly downward over the last decade. I wonder what the numbers were during the Clinton era. I suspect it was falling as well and only boosted during the .com bubble and feel sharply thereafter.

We can all agree that none of the current politicians in office are good, but the policies of late are just getting more ridiculous by the day.

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On a slightly related note, we all like to talk about politics, but not really do anything about it. I'd be interested to see what would happen if we combined our efforts and backed a single IM'er like Smax, Jon (oh my), etc. who has good business sense for president in the next election.

I'm not saying we even have to invest in traditional advertising, just using the Internet. I'm sure we could make it hell for the traditional politicians to win.
 
You act like its a "liberal" thing and not a "big government" thing..

Why do you hate liberals so much when you yourself proclaim and admit that McCain isn't a solution, just the lesser of two evils? The problem is not one of the candidates, but both! Something bigger than just the President is wrong here.

There's a lot to rant and rave about, that much is granted, but you still somehow manage to divert attention away from the bigger issue with your putrid hatred of 1 half of the wholly corrupted 2-party system.

edit: if its not obvious enough, this post is directed toward hellblazer

Agree completely. I hate them all.
 
You act like its a "liberal" thing and not a "big government" thing..

Why do you hate liberals so much when you yourself proclaim and admit that McCain isn't a solution, just the lesser of two evils? The problem is not one of the candidates, but both! Something bigger than just the President is wrong here.

There's a lot to rant and rave about, that much is granted, but you still somehow manage to divert attention away from the bigger issue with your putrid hatred of 1 half of the wholly corrupted 2-party system.

edit: if its not obvious enough, this post is directed toward hellblazer


Liberals HAVE been and continue to be the larger spenders. While I agree Bush's spending got out of control, it is in fact the lesser of two evils. To claim Republicans want as much entitlement programs (therefore larger government, and consequently more spending) as liberals is absolutely moronic. Most liberals I know at least admit they typically are for larger government and can accept the fact that because of a larger government you end up spending more. While I disagree, and they disagree with me, they don't have their heads so far up their asses that they don't see that in reality they spend more, and call for programs that cost more. Again, this is not to say Republicans don't overspend sometimes, but to say they are on the same level as liberals is ludicrous. And if you don't understand that (through all of the entitlement programs they have brought in recently) then you don't even deserve to argue with me because you're too thick-skulled to realize the truth. Liberals spend more, much more. This is fact.
 
You act like its a "liberal" thing and not a "big government" thing..

Why do you hate liberals so much when you yourself proclaim and admit that McCain isn't a solution, just the lesser of two evils? The problem is not one of the candidates, but both! Something bigger than just the President is wrong here.

There's a lot to rant and rave about, that much is granted, but you still somehow manage to divert attention away from the bigger issue with your putrid hatred of 1 half of the wholly corrupted 2-party system.

edit: if its not obvious enough, this post is directed toward hellblazer

I see you're a liberal who can't bring himself to be honest about your colossal mistake. And you're totally wrong. About 55-70% of the Republicans are capitalist patriots, versus 100% socialist scumbags in the Dem Party. McCain shouldn't even be in the Republican Party, hopefully we get his socialist-lite ass out of the Senate. The Repubs are halfway corrupted, but the Democrat Party is pure fucking evil, their radical leftist leader is turning the U.S. into a Third World nation, and YOU'RE trying to whitewash your egregious vote by deflecting the blame from your socialist boy. Totally unacceptable.
 
Shouldn't you be out in the middle of the woods somewhere preparing for your day of reckoning?

Oh wait I know, liberal scumbag etc..
 
I see you're a liberal who can't bring himself to be honest about your colossal mistake. And you're totally wrong. About 55-70% of the Republicans are capitalist patriots, versus 100% socialist scumbags in the Dem Party. McCain shouldn't even be in the Republican Party, hopefully we get his socialist-lite ass out of the Senate. The Repubs are halfway corrupted, but the Democrat Party is pure fucking evil, their radical leftist leader is turning the U.S. into a Third World nation, and YOU'RE trying to whitewash your egregious vote by deflecting the blame from your socialist boy. Totally unacceptable.

You should probably bomb someone. Think about it...
 
Honestly, I'm bored of you bitches who can't blame Obama without trying to exonerate him somehow. What he's doing is unprecedented and on a whole other level. Everyone before him was socialist-lite to a degree, but he's the fullblown thing, which is why our destruction is accelerating. I'm not going to preface every condemnation of him with a blame-Bush/Clinton/Reagan/Greenspan comment as well. Wash the sand out of your vaginas and man up to the fact that this socialist bitch is the worst thing America has ever seen.

I don't want to hear these weak equivalency statements - man up, denounce him and atone for your vote. Admit this borderline-communist retard was a total mistake and you're sorry. Let's start there.

Fuck Yes! It's about time I found someone whose not drinking the Obama Kool-Aid. Fuck Obama. I also agree that whenever a negative comment is made about him these fucking liberals have to bring up Bush and McCain. We didn't fucking say we liked them. Also you just wait until we are a socialist country all making the same wage... "it's fair" isn't it. That's all Obama is about, everyone being equal... that is the complete fucking opposite of a free market economy.
 
I see you're a liberal who can't bring himself to be honest about your colossal mistake. And you're totally wrong. About 55-70% of the Republicans are capitalist patriots, versus 100% socialist scumbags in the Dem Party. McCain shouldn't even be in the Republican Party, hopefully we get his socialist-lite ass out of the Senate. The Repubs are halfway corrupted, but the Democrat Party is pure fucking evil, their radical leftist leader is turning the U.S. into a Third World nation, and YOU'RE trying to whitewash your egregious vote by deflecting the blame from your socialist boy. Totally unacceptable.
Horse shit hellblazer. The liberals are bad on spending, and several of the trends they have are unsustainable. Many of their pet programs need to be cut or eliminated.
But claiming that 55%-75% of the Republicans are capitalist patriots is delusional. They don't mind taking your money, they don't mind spending their money, they just want to spend it for different things...like random wars. All dollars were equal, so how about we start realizing all spending is equal as well? They also certainly don't mind invading your privacy, forcing their religious beliefs down your throat, restricting the rights of citizens, or doing any number of things that are completely incompatible with "freedom" and the ideas our country is supposed to be protecting.
But economically: You couldn't get back to a surplus by cutting all our military spending OR all our social programs. You have to cut both. A lot. Republicans don't get this.

They also aren't capitalist, they're corporatist. They don't believe in competition and the benefits a healthy marketplace can grant us. They would rather insulate companies from risk ($75 million BP cap anyone?), pass them dirty contracts, and support them with extensive protections that isolate them and serve to demolish the benefits of a competitive marketplace just as effectively as the laws the Democrats pass.