F*** the Democrats, and the Republicans, and the Liberals, and the Conservatives, and the Lobbyists, and the Corporate Interests Groups blah blah blah... They ALL are only doing what is in their self-interests given the power, that the "System" allows them. Ok, the system is F'd Up. Granted the people in power are just a screwed up in the head as the next guy, but they are only taking advantage of what is allowed. All of them just want to spend our tax money on whatever agenda's they all have, and most of those ideas are Not in the peoples best interest. But rather the interests of corporations. They all suck on a corporate nut or tit, and deserve to rot for how they all have treated the people of this Great Country, but until the system changes, it's all just the standard Potomac Eyewash for the masses, Keep blaming the other party...
This Is What You Retards Voted For - Own It
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It actually lost McCain almost all his momentum and the South Carolina primary(he had a 5 point lead). It was an anonymous smear campaign (completely false) pushed through everything from faxes to tilted polls to local churches in conservative areas. Here's a wiki on it
Just another proof of concept. Get the populace to fight each other, all the while those "two party's" at the top tug on your strings. Only when we realize that there is no right "party," only right people, will we ever have the chance at reclaiming what this nation once stood for. So keep on spouting your hatred for party x or y, you're only perpetuating the cycle that further enslaves us.
More BS talking points and scare tactics.
If banking is now run by the government then why are the execs who screwed us still getting those giant bonuses? Money was loaned to them to prop them up. And almost every credible economist said it was needed. The GOP would have done the same thing.
Healthcare has not been taken over. The Health Insurance industry has been regulated. It was needed. And again... the GOP proposed many of the same regulations, before they were against it.
Dear god!!! The GOP are communists!!! Everybody run!!!
Agreed. Along those same lines, here's a great article if any of you has the time and patience to get through it...
Political Economy of Monarchy and Democracy - Hans-Hermann Hoppe - Mises Daily
Hoppe begins with this...
"A government is a territorial monopolist of compulsion — an agency which may engage in continual, institutionalized property rights violations and the exploitation — in the form of expropriation, taxation and regulation — of private property owners. Assuming no more than self-interest on the part of government agents, all governments must be expected to make use of this monopoly and thus exhibit a tendency toward increased exploitation.
And it just gets better.
http://mises.org/daily/4068#note1
This is the most annoying group of kids ever. Head over to digg.com (I used to read it when it was more about technology than a bunch of pre-teens bitching about the world and everything wrong conservatives are doing). That place is a perfect example of the type of "obama-sheep" that exist, which your comic depicts in your signature perfectly.
XMCP123
(I am not affiliated politically. I do vote, but I don't vote based on party lines. Clarification #1 made.)
That the gov weakened an asset class to give more people was interventionist, and a mistake, hence the quotes I use around "free markets." I was being ironic, and in essence, agreeing with you. Bill Clinton is as much to blame as the GS and the rest of WS. Both distorted the markets… pulling on it from opposite ends (social cause/ speculators’ cause.) And both threatened what was once the greatest asset class in the world. Derivatives didn't lessen the risk of holding mortgage debt (if you take your full container of garbage and split it into three bags of garbage, your garbage really, to me, has the same value...) The rest of the world, which was all too trusting in investing in this class of "diversified" debt. That the collapse was intentional seems a little conspiratorial... but give me a few more months on this site and I'll probably think Neo-Nazis have disguised themselves as Shi'a Clerics.
Access to the market, and the risk: reward ratio allowed the market to overheat, and impossibly stupid economists advised vast holdings of this debt throughout the world, which led to the global recession.
So that we got there via housing, we can all agree. Whether it was more Bill Clinton or more WS is open to debate. Again, we've never witnessed a free market in action. To claim that it was more the blame of interventionism (BC) or (GS and the rest of WS) ~ unregulated markets/baby free markets is up to debate. But you couldn't statistically prove that it was more one than the other without devising an actual model and weighing all the variables that went into the housing market at the time. To think otherwise is to assume economics is a pure science.
Onto Air2Air
My quotes around free market should have been bold. In fact, that line should have been withheld… or added to with a footnote.
Claiming the Euro debacle is due to a welfare state is a little broad a stroke, in my opinion. One could claim the “siestas” (a little sanctimonious yourself) improve productivity. I would argue that it has a hell of a lot more to do with emerging markets than it does siestas. And until wages collapse in both Europe and here, means of production in those parts of the world will be difficult to compare. I guess we’ll test your “siesta” belief somewhere around 2017. Could be sooner. Depends on what we do with min wage as time goes on.
(Clarification #2: I like naps.)
So you say my pro-business/leveling of the work-force isn’t consistent with the rest of what I’ve said. It seems to “gybe” to me. I’m claiming distorted world markets are going through a leveling because of the net/spread of our system of governance. Certainly “gybeworthy.”
Your map and point about insolvency is irrelevant, and here’s why: Innovation/enterprise is what has led to our massive GDP. (Far more than the "American work ethic," imo.) Insolvency has to do with statewide governance that’s particular to a million fucking things. CA has gotten KILLED by and open border policy for 20 years. KILLED. (Demonstration of clarification #1) That the innovation/enterprise continues in the state has to deal with monstrous headaches attributed to federal policy is obvious. That CA grows wealth that allows a ton of red state citizens to live comfortably argues my “sanctimonious” belief that a number of the states in this union are in and of themselves “pseudo” welfare states that are supported by the innovation/enterprise of the “few” pockets of true ingenuity in the nation. That these pockets seem to exist in blue states can’t be denied by red staters. Supplant Kentucky with Greece and....
So you misread my “corn” comment as being anti-redneck. I’m a pink person just like many of the people living in the red states. I was attacking the ingenuity of the majority of the country, not the color of skin or political philosophy.
(I am not affiliated politically. I do vote, but I don't vote based on party lines. Clarification #1 made.)
That the gov weakened an asset class to give more people was interventionist, and a mistake, hence the quotes I use around "free markets." I was being ironic, and in essence, agreeing with you. Bill Clinton is as much to blame as the GS and the rest of WS. Both distorted the markets… pulling on it from opposite ends (social cause/ speculators’ cause.) And both threatened what was once the greatest asset class in the world. Derivatives didn't lessen the risk of holding mortgage debt (if you take your full container of garbage and split it into three bags of garbage, your garbage really, to me, has the same value...) The rest of the world, which was all too trusting in investing in this class of "diversified" debt. That the collapse was intentional seems a little conspiratorial... but give me a few more months on this site and I'll probably think Neo-Nazis have disguised themselves as Shi'a Clerics.
Access to the market, and the risk: reward ratio allowed the market to overheat, and impossibly stupid economists advised vast holdings of this debt throughout the world, which led to the global recession.
So that we got there via housing, we can all agree. Whether it was more Bill Clinton or more WS is open to debate. Again, we've never witnessed a free market in action. To claim that it was more the blame of interventionism (BC) or (GS and the rest of WS) ~ unregulated markets/baby free markets is up to debate. But you couldn't statistically prove that it was more one than the other without devising an actual model and weighing all the variables that went into the housing market at the time. To think otherwise is to assume economics is a pure science.
Onto Air2Air
My quotes around free market should have been bold. In fact, that line should have been withheld… or added to with a footnote.
Claiming the Euro debacle is due to a welfare state is a little broad a stroke, in my opinion. One could claim the “siestas” (a little sanctimonious yourself) improve productivity. I would argue that it has a hell of a lot more to do with emerging markets than it does siestas. And until wages collapse in both Europe and here, means of production in those parts of the world will be difficult to compare. I guess we’ll test your “siesta” belief somewhere around 2017. Could be sooner. Depends on what we do with min wage as time goes on.
(Clarification #2: I like naps.)
So you say my pro-business/leveling of the work-force isn’t consistent with the rest of what I’ve said. It seems to “gybe” to me. I’m claiming distorted world markets are going through a leveling because of the net/spread of our system of governance. Certainly “gybeworthy.”
Your map and point about insolvency is irrelevant, and here’s why: Innovation/enterprise is what has led to our massive GDP. (Far more than the "American work ethic," imo.) Insolvency has to do with statewide governance that’s particular to a million fucking things. CA has gotten KILLED by and open border policy for 20 years. KILLED. (Demonstration of clarification #1) That the innovation/enterprise continues in the state has to deal with monstrous headaches attributed to federal policy is obvious. That CA grows wealth that allows a ton of red state citizens to live comfortably argues my “sanctimonious” belief that a number of the states in this union are in and of themselves “pseudo” welfare states that are supported by the innovation/enterprise of the “few” pockets of true ingenuity in the nation. That these pockets seem to exist in blue states can’t be denied by red staters. Supplant Kentucky with Greece and....
So you misread my “corn” comment as being anti-redneck. I’m a pink person just like many of the people living in the red states. I was attacking the ingenuity of the majority of the country, not the color of skin or political philosophy.
Eric, excellent post and my apologies for misunderstanding.
Only part I disagree with is the cause of California's ills, but you make great points.
Only part I disagree with is the cause of California's ills, but you make great points.
I wasn't suggesting that the collapse was intentional, I was suggesting that the environment that led to it was. The goal Bill Clinton had in the short term, was achieved due to the changes they put into place. Homeownership rose.
But every group that had a hand in the crisis behaved rationally(and as they were intended to by the official gov't policy) given the conditions in place. The problem was the conditions were due to artificially stimulated demand, so the signals they sent and the amount of trust they inspired were artificial as well.
So yeah. Not intentional, just incompetent.
Holyfuck...i think my head just exploded after reading a bedate on WF between two members that consisted of well thought out arguments that actually addresses the points raised by the other party and rather than devolving into ad hominem attacks, was carried out in a mature and respectful manner. Props to both of you - that's the kind of thing we need more of.
The only thing you're right about is the percentage, my initial estimate was too high. I'd say 35-40% of Repubs are capitalists, and your generalizing screed pertains to the other 60%. It doesn't change the fact that the Democrat Party is ten times worse than the Repubs, that it is 100% corrupted, and that it is the sole greatest source of evil in this country. Obama voters, renounce your sin and come clean so you may be forgiven!
sig worthy
btw shady, your statement had too many generalizations in it, and hellblazer is not happy when people generalize.
