Burqa Ban in France



ChrisS said:
Well this is interesting. I'm guessing this would never fly in America though.

Thoughts? Non-redneck thoughts?

Burqa ban passes French lower house overwhelmingly - CNN.com
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Allons-y en Les Etats-Unis!

Bring it on biche!

Actually, I don't mind them as a whole outfit. It's the niqab (the part that covers the face) that bothers me.

The hijab is alright by me and I've seen many women that wear different ones very well.

(I spent some time in the region and respect the culture)

Hijab
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Niqab
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A hijab + Niqab = Burqa

When I was a bank teller someone handed me their id and it was them wearing a burqa, I laughed thinking this can't be serious. It was, the manager said "let them through".

Something about the niqab always felt demeaning... Now if you excuse me you just reminded me of last year's stay and now I need to order some biryani.
 
how about letting women wear whatever they want as long as they are hot?

(3s and below with a Burqa Requirement. )
 
ChrisS said:
Well this is interesting. I'm guessing this would never fly in America though.

Thoughts? Non-redneck thoughts?

Burqa ban passes French lower house overwhelmingly - CNN.com
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Because if you don't agree with barbaric 10th century cultures...you're obviously a mouth breathing redneck.


Sigh face.

Be honest, islam isn't compatible with most any modern society. Their views, actions, religion, and yes even attire are not compatible. Islam brings nothing of value to a society and almost ANYWHERE islam is the dominant religion you will find a very sick society. Why would you encourage the poisoning of your culture? For political correctness? No thanks.
 
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The veil sucks. But why on earth would any country welcome immigrants from a country where the veil is normal and then tell them after the fact that they can't wear it? If you don't want people from that culture in your country then don't let them immigrate. To let them immigrate then say "Haha, we're making your culture illegal" is bullshit.
 
I don't know, I really could go either way on this.

<chugs can of Milwaukee's Best, crushes can on head>

I mean on one hand, people should be able to dress how they want and be free to express their beliefs as long as it doesn't impact anyone else.

<turns up Toby Keith album, does air guitar>

On the other, Islam is a repressive religion and I can see where France is coming from on this one. Plus there are public safety issues.

<flexes, shows off new confederate flag tattoo visible below ripped flannel sleeve>

I guess the bottom line is, if you don't like it, move somewhere else.
 
Ban ftw

If I walked into a bank like this or down the highstreet then everyone would feel threatened:

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It's France's country so the people should act as France want not how their faiths should be considered, fuck off home if you don't like it.
 
Bombastic said:
The veil sucks. But why on earth would any country welcome immigrants from a country where the veil is normal and then tell them after the fact that they can't wear it? If you don't want people from that culture in your country then don't let them immigrate. To let them immigrate then say "Haha, we're making your culture illegal" is bullshit.
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Maybe they had some crazy idea that immigrants would assimilate to the culture of their new home rather than keep the culture of the place that they wanted to flee. ;)
 
Netphase said:
Maybe they had some crazy idea that immigrants would assimilate to the culture of their new home rather than keep the culture of the place that they wanted to flee. ;)
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It's fair to expect that but it always takes a generation or two. The first generation immigrants can never fully assimilate.
 
Dammit, and I just made a niche product site for designer burqas targeted to French women. Why does the government always have to screw things up? :disgust:
 
What interested me was the basis of the ban:

If they assume that all women who wear it are being oppressed. There are a lot of women who want to wear it. Why prohibit their freedom?

If it's a security risk, are there any statistics to back that claim?

If the basis is the aggressive separation of church and state, then what about secular people who want to wear it as a secular fashion statement?
 
Bombastic said:
It's fair to expect that but it always takes a generation or two. The first generation immigrants can never fully assimilate.
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I'd disagree on that. Moved to the US 3 years ago and while I do bitch a lot about the shitty food and politics, I find myself fairly well assimilated.
 
Ar Scion said:
If it's a security risk, are there any statistics to back that claim?
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Do you really need statistics? The inability to identify an individual without a retinal scan or thumb print, or to even identify gender without tugging on their genitals is a pretty fucking huge security risk dipshit.
 
This one had me torn from the get go. As an woman I don't like the burkas nor what they represent. Plus I don't give a flying fuck about their stupid religion (or yours, for that matter, so don't get all high and mighty) That being said, telling people what they can and can't wear is an oppressive law in and of it's self and is completely ironic and laughable. It really bothers me that a government has put a ban on a type of clothing. This is the greater wrong here. People have a right to their own stupid traditions and if they want to stay oppressed that is their choice (assuming here that they have a choice in the matter, which maybe in some countries they don't, but I'm hoping, if they're in france, their situation is different. But that is another topic.)

So on paper, I'm against the ban. But I'm not sorry those lovely women are going to now have to show their faces from now on.
 
turbolapp said:
This one had me torn from the get go. As an woman I don't like the burkas nor what they represent. Plus I don't give a flying fuck about their stupid religion (or yours, for that matter, so don't get all high and mighty) That being said, telling people what they can and can't wear is an oppressive law in and of it's self and is completely ironic and laughable. It really bothers me that a government has put a ban on a type of clothing. This is the greater wrong here. People have a right to their own stupid traditions and if they want to stay oppressed that is their choice (assuming here that they have a choice in the matter, which maybe in some countries they don't, but I'm hoping, if they're in france, their situation is different. But that is another topic.)

So on paper, I'm against the ban. But I'm not sorry those lovely women are going to now have to show their faces from now on.
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With all due respect, it's not so much the burqa that the French government is against, it's what it represents.

Wearing Burqa is confirming oppression and sexism, it means, males can tell females what to do and what to wear and there's nothing they can do about it. By banning burqa's they're banning any possibility of "oppression".

Ever wonder why muslims women wear black? black = obedience. In Islam a woman can't even raise her voice against the husband and domestic violence is legal. Banning burqa is banning this stupidity.

I live in a Moderate islamic country and even here we give people that wear burqa's the "wtf" look. (arab's, etc).

If it were up to me I would just ban Islam. and ultimately ban the idea of God itself.
 
turbolapp said:
This one had me torn from the get go. As an woman I don't like the burkas nor what they represent. Plus I don't give a flying fuck about their stupid religion (or yours, for that matter, so don't get all high and mighty) That being said, telling people what they can and can't wear is an oppressive law in and of it's self and is completely ironic and laughable. It really bothers me that a government has put a ban on a type of clothing. This is the greater wrong here. People have a right to their own stupid traditions and if they want to stay oppressed that is their choice (assuming here that they have a choice in the matter, which maybe in some countries they don't, but I'm hoping, if they're in france, their situation is different. But that is another topic.)

So on paper, I'm against the ban. But I'm not sorry those lovely women are going to now have to show their faces from now on.
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I agree with you in spirit (no pun intended), but the fact remains that we live in dangerous times, and these so-called "sacred outfits" allow people to hide weapons, strap on suicide bombs with ease and evade identification in general.

Why should we guard their rights to this misogyny in lieu of protecting the public good? I'm wondering how we can protect their rights to backwardness, and still have a modicum of security.

I don't have any answers. It's a vexing problem, and the French applied their law like a cudgel. This won't fly in America, and I'm wondering how we can protect ourselves in a way that's consistent with our values.
 
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