For Those Who Have Children II....

Barefootsies

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It seems like at least once a week I hear some part of the debate to raise taxes, or switch around education spending to give every child from K-12 a computer for school. Claiming this would benefit in some of the following ways.

1. Help poor and minorities.
2. Keep the cost of public education down.
3. Provide better resources to both student and teachers.

While I have my own opinion as a home owner. I do not have children. So those who have kids feel free to chime in with your 2 cents, and remarks on how your tax dollars are spent.

Your thoughts?
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Why don't the parents buy them a computer?

If they are too poor to save up $300 for their kids then they shouldn't have them in the first place.
 
Why don't the parents buy them a computer?

If they are too poor to save up $300 for their kids then they shouldn't have them in the first place.

Priorities, no kid needs their own computer or cellphone. Thats why there's a "family computer" if you have one. And if they get to the age of needing one (ie: teen)... well they can get a job or keep using the family computer on a schedule.

But I find that its not so much the computer thats the issue (you can get a cheapie used one even if it runs like crap at a thrift store for under 50$), but rather having both the credit and the consistent monthly cost to get internet going on it. Cable doesn't normally require credit, but its quite a bit more expensive, and while DSL is cheaper, phone companies always require good credit or a nice fat deposit.

Though if someone were to get a cheap netbook (250-350 brand new), there's quite a number of places with free wifi including your public library. *(hell it might have kept Jessi Slaughter out of trouble if she could only get online from the library :D)
 
Why don't the parents buy them a computer?

If they are too poor to save up $300 for their kids then they shouldn't have them in the first place.

Lol, jokes on you tax payer, when you're poor screwing is the only thing you can afford to do.
 
Lol, jokes on you tax payer

That does in fact appear to be the case.

Study Shows Computers Lower Grades, But May Boost IQs

Many groups want to bring a computer to every child in the world, on the assumption that the computer will help the child in school and life. But is that assumption true? A new study of lower income families in Romania shows that the introduction of a computer in the home markedly lowered grades in school, but improved the child’s cognitive skills, like spatial relations . We speak with study co-author Ofer Malamud, assistant professor of public policy at the University of Chicago.

Listen
 
Priorities, no kid needs their own computer or cellphone.

from what i understand there are few to zero kids now over the age of 11 without a cell phone. and i really dont have a problem with kids having laptops. they are cheap as shit.
 
I say the schools should get creative and ask the local Best Buy to donate computers. If they refuse, rake them over the coals publicly and tell everyone that Best Buy hates the children - they can even picket outside and tell all the customers that Best Buy doesn't believe in giving back, education for the children, etc. Jessie Jackson shake down style.
 
I say the schools should get creative and ask the local Best Buy to donate computers. If they refuse, rake them over the coals publicly and tell everyone that Best Buy hates the children - they can even picket outside and tell all the customers that Best Buy doesn't believe in giving back, education for the children, etc. Jessie Jackson shake down style.

After which I'd hope the CEO would write a letter:

Dear Mr. Stevens,

You and I haven't met. I'm Brian. I'm the head honcho over here at Best Buy (or at least that's what my staff keeps telling me).

I wanted to ask you a small favor. And I promise to make it worth your while. Interested?

Here's the problem:

As you probably know, there are a lot of folks in your neck of the woods who are pretty darn miffed at us. If you've taken a drive by our store over on West 8 Mile Road, you've probably seen people picketing. They're mad. And for a good reason.

You see, they want laptops for their kids and they want us to donate 'em. Now so far, so good. I can't think of a better cause than giving kids every single tool they need to excel in school. In fact, that's one of the reason me and the folks over here put this together:

Best Buy Community Relations

Our shareholders weren't too happy with me, but you know what? Share price ain't everything, and I think you'll agree.

But back to the problem.

The people picketing over at the store near your home are saying we hate kids. That we don't believe in giving back to the community. The opposite is true! We try to give back as much as we can.

Now you probably know the profit margins in this business are razor thin. And when I say thin, Mr. Stevens, I mean THIN. And the bigger you get in this industry, the thinner the margins get.

We're pretty big. And while our margins are a little better than Circuit City's were (remember them?), they ain't anything to write home about. Sales are down, costs are up, and there are a lot of sleepless nights over here.

So here's the small favor I'm hoping you can help me out with. If you have a second, take a quick look at this page I've loaded up to our site:

http://www.bestbuy.com/michigan/detroit/hey-is-that-my-neighbor.html

On that page you'll see some pictures of people picketing our store in your area. If you notice anyone you know, would you pull 'em aside and let 'em know that we're between a rock and a hard place? That we're on the brink of not making it through this recession?

Now we'll definitely keep donating as much as we can through our community outreach program in your area. But donating ten to twenty million laptops throughout the country? Well, that might just kill us.

On the page with the pictures, you'll see a link at the bottom. I've come up with some great surprises for you and your family.

In the meantime, if you have any feedback for us about our products, service, prices, or even the atmosphere in the store near your home, please let us know. We want to hear about it. In fact, I've already let the staff in your area know that they may be getting a few extra visitors. They're excited to meet you. You probably know a few already.

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I'll be frank. I want to stay in your community as long as you'll have me. And for that, I need your help. I need you to talk to your neighbors and let 'em know we're doing the best we can in this economy. We want to do better, but cash is pretty limited right now.

Anyway, thanks for reading, Mr. Stevens. I know you're busy and have better things to do than read a letter from me.

Sincerely,

Brian

P.S. Don't forget to check out the surprises I've put together for you. You're gonna love 'em.
 
Educating children isn't an expense - it's an investment.

Or rather - it SHOULD be an investment. Communities - from local on up to the national level - have a vested interest in teaching children so they become capable, self-supporting adults who innovate and move the local communities, states, and nation forward.

The problem is it doesn't work like. Special interests - at least here in the US - have gotten so involved in the process that it becomes a disaster. They look at shitty schools and think "Oh, these kids need computers! That will fix it!". The reality is most of these kids need some stability and direction in their lives. A kid who has expectations to live up to is a kid on a good track.

If you have a toddler you'll learn this. Set the rules, enforce them consistently, and soon you'll have a kid who is eager to please. They will test the rules. It's in their nature. It's no different for older kids either.

The biggest criticism I have of the US is the national tendency towards knee-jerk reactions to problems that are complex and they tend to be over-simplified and are never fixed for that reason. Schools here need serious investment. The US was the world's #1 innovator for a very long time due to our culture and education.

We are losing that race now.
 
Education is quite fucked up even without the laptop debate... I live in a city, that like many these days, is going through some budget cuts due to lower tax revenue. The same people who complain vocally on the local paper's website comment section about their taxes being too high scream bloody murder when the city goes to cut library hours, lay off teachers, or eliminate education programs. They always seem to suggest that the government should cut elsewhere, but they seem to support the schools. And then they bitch about how the government can't do anything right, and how they should leave everything up to the free market and private sector. Similar case to when they bitch that the DOT can't maintain the roads well enough, and need to expand the roads due to congestion, but then they balk at a small tax increase to fund said improvements.

Be outspoken when it's convenient, even if you contradict yourself. You'll become a local internet celebrity. We're fucked as a nation, if you didn't already know...

It's all about parental involvement in education. I went to public school, and got a great education, but I can't say the same about everyone in my school. We had kids from rich families (with parents who didn't give a fuck) who acted like they were from the ghetto, and performed in school accordingly. Then we had kids from trailer parks, whose parents cared about shit, and worked hard to succeed to get out of their situation evenutally. Laptops won't change shit here. Strict school rules and teachers, involved parents, and challenging curricula will change things.