Judges get cost estimate before sentencing.



I'm a fiscal conservative and I'm all for trimming the fat and reducing spending, but this is fucking ridiculous, and will lead to some pretty shitty consequences.. mark my words...
 
bad idea, it might deter a judge from sentencing a convicted criminal from what the criminal would have gotten.
 
this is awesome. Now judges will realize how much money they waste sending pot smokers to jail.

or they will use it as a measuring stick of penis size, and jailing innocent people gets worse...
 
Because it shouldn't matter. Prison costs need to be reduced but not this way. I think they make inmates more productive and run the prison more like a company with longer sentences and work earning them time off the extra time or a furlow from their death sentence. Making prisons run at a profit without taking government money and doing a better job reforming prisoners into being productive members of society.
 
Making prisons run at a profit without taking government money and doing a better job reforming prisoners into being productive members of society.

I don't understand your wording. Do you think prisons should be run as a profitable private enterprise?
 
For real, how is this a bad idea? I'm not seeing it.

I think it will be good and bad. Good for the aforementioned reasons like seeing how much money is being pissed away on petty crap like weed. But bad, because, this will get politicized like a mother fucker (remember some judges are voted in not appointed), guaranteed somebody will say "so and so" got raped by a repeat offender because "judge whoever" wanted to save taxpayers money and didn't send the rapist away long enough.
 
David Eaves said:
We need a data-literate citizenry, not just a small elite of hackers and policy wonks. And the best way to cultivate that broad-based literacy is not to release in small or measured quantities, but to flood us with data.

Today when I talk to public servants, think tank leaders and others, most grasp the benefit of “open data” – of having the government sharing the data it collects. A few however, talk about the problem of just handing data over to the public. Some questions whether the activity is “frivolous or harmful.” They ask “what will people do with the data?” “They might misunderstand it” or “They might misuse it.” Ultimately they argue we can only release this data “in context”. Data after all, is a dangerous thing. And governments produce a lot of it.

As in the 19th century, these arguments must not prevail. Indeed, we must do the exact opposite. Charges of “frivolousness” or a desire to ensure data is only released “in context” are code to obstruct or shape data portals to ensure that they only support what public institutions or politicians deem “acceptable”. Again, we need a flood of data, not only because it is good for democracy and government, but because it increases the likelihood of more people taking interest and becoming literate.

written for a different context, but totally applicable here. great idea.
 
Def a good idea.

Sending people to jail for victimless crimes is retarded... Make them do community service or something that saves money instaid of burns it
 
Isn't justice supposed to be blind?

if by blindness you mean equal justice for all, yes. it's supposed to be blind.
it isn't, but it should be.

if you mean justice at any cost? absolutely no.

'justice at any cost' is the mindset that has brought state budgets to their knees, hugely increased the tax burden of their citizens, and all but broken our system of justice itself.

the idea of fair justice is that we will agree upon laws in hopes that a threat to society will be deterred by threat of punishment.
this isn't reality -- we agree upon people that will create these laws for us. and people are corruptable.

we have laws that protect society from true threats such as murderers, rapists, thieves and on.
we've always had these laws. if human nature is a guide, we'll always have these laws.
and we'll always punish those who break these laws.

but now we have new laws. laws which have increased exponentially in the past few decades.
laws which, ideally, truly serve and protect society.

but also laws which are created as a product of business or political interests, moral or religious dogma, or other reasons that aren't a true threat to society -- but rather a threat to the power and influence of individuals, who then try to use justice as a weapon instead of a shield.

weed is the obvious issue.
marijuana isn't a threat to society.
hasn't killed anyone. has healed many. has entertained far more.

but it's illegal. and we spend shittons of cash enforcing laws that punish people for growing and consuming a plant that isn't a threat to society, but a threat to the power and influence of individual interests. we've had to endure almost a century of propaganda and lobbying to ensure that those who create law will keep pot illegal, with absolutely no rational reason to do so.

when laws can be bought and sold, 'justice at any cost' is a big fucking problem. blind adherence to law is, with rare exception, how every judge operates. when given the raw data on how much this blind adherence to law will cost the state, it puts judges in a position to judge -- not just what's legal, but what is just.

if by some wild wonder this cost analysis catches on, you'll find plenty of people and pundits saying that this is a bad idea because X criminal will only serve X instead of X because the state can't pay for it. and yes, this is exactly what will happen.

but any judge worth their gavel and spiffy robes will not dismiss a true threat to society because of a budget.
they'll certainly reevaluate what is, and is not, a threat. and that's a great idea.

it may tilt the scales in favor of the judicial branch a bit, but let's be honest -- there hasn't been balance in government power for a half century, at least.