The majority of homicides arn't committed by "criminals". They are committed by someone you know.
Actually, your numbers are a tiny fraction of the homicides committed by government.
LOL, what a contradiction in terms. Democracy is the change of government by the ballot box. When change of government happens by guns, then it's no longer democracy, it's a coup/dictatorship being imposed by the minority with guns.
Lukep thinks it's "democratic" to overturn an elected government with guns and killing and I'm apparently the only one who thinks this reasoning is Kafkaesque!
This is so sad... I just can't stop myself from trying to show you the difference, but I know in the end it will be futile regardless...
First of all, it should be known that I am no fan of democracy. Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep get together and vote on who's for dinner... Never a good thing when you're the sheep. Democracies are pure Shit, and some of the forefathers are on record saying so... Sadly it's the best we can do while we still cling to statism.
Secondly, It's very naive in this day and age to belive that ballot boxes are even opened and counted. We've witnessed quite the opposite last year, even with election judges going on record saying that election rigging is the norm, not the exception.
Third, and most importantly, Yes, overthrowing the government with guns is treason. King James called it exactly that when we overthrew him, but I'm glad we did. Any time leaders are tyranical, treason is a good thing, something to be PROUD of.
Your mistake is thinking that such tyranny can't happen again. History is flooded with fools just like you (at least 290 Million on record) who thought the same thing and then got round up into camps, just before their lives were snuffed out by Democide.
Democracy of course isn't just about election by ballot - it's about the losing side accepting they lost and not trying to overturn the result and overturn the will of the majority with guns/force/murder.
Who the FUCK said anything about the losing party of an election should be able to call the winners treasonous and commence a takeover because they lost??? It's scary how your mind can jump so far and land on such an isolated thought from our earlier conversation. Your mind is very naive, and it makes dangerous assumptions. I sure hope the above wasn't your primary fear of people having guns...!
Wasn't this all tested in the Civil War?
Um, no. The civil war was fought over many issues, such as the oppressive 3/5ths tax directed specifically at the south and then of course slavery. I don't think I've heard much about a theory where the south rebelled against the Republican party because they lost the election... Clearly that would be just one small example of their overall oppression.
Guns are only good for killing, you can't really do anything else with them.
Wow, that's a seriously retarded thing to say. The sporting goods industry alone probably made more money in 2012 from the sale of guns and the recreation based around them than you'll ever see in your whole pathetic life.
...And then there is the people who hunt for food. Yes, rare in the US and western world but still done here, and obviously much, much more elsewhere.
...And don't forget the external threat: Other countries might not be afraid to invade against our standing army, but at least the Japanese chose not to invade the mainland here for the single reason that "there would be a gun behind every blade of grass."
But most importantly, guns serve the very important purpose of opposing tyranny. It's why Hitler, Pol pot, Stalin, and many other mass murderers
in charge of governments had to DISARM their own country first before they could commit their atrocities. Without an armed citizenry, we're just sheep to be led to the slaughterhouse, like the stupid brits chose to be.
Killing should be an absolute taboo.
Of course it should. Now, the question you must make crystal clear in your mind is this: When someone has already committed that taboo against your family and will do it again against more of you, wouldn't you commit the taboo against them to stop it?
If your answer is anything but "yes" to that question, then you deserve the mindset you have and I'm going to stop trying to change it. However, if you said Yes, but you still don't believe that you should be armed, then you are only setting yourself up to fail when the time comes, and are a moron anyway.
"...each party justifies it to themselves on that basis. Same as this thread is justifying guns on the basis of "everyone has one, so you need one for self-defence".
Let me try to explain this reasoning in a new way for you...
Imagine you are about to be forced to live in one of two wilderness parks. You don't get to choose which.
The first is a beautiful, tranquil park where nothing is threatening you at all, no snakes even, the largest animal there is a bunny rabbit. The second park however is more like Jurrasic park, with 300 Million man-eating monsters running around before you even arrive there.
If you are moving to the bunny park, I can totally understand that you don't need a gun to live there. The Dinosaur park, however, pretty well requires you have one, if you don't like being eaten that is.
The thing that makes this simile worthwile is the fact that in the USA there were 300 Million weapons floating around at the time of my birth. If ALL the monsters here have them already, wouldn't it make sense to get one for defense too?
Or would you rather just pretend you're living in the bunny park, while your family members go missing one by one?
What happens if everyone starts to think their killing is not just "justified" but normal and even glamorous?
There are only 2 things I've Ever even heard of that would justify and glamorize mass killing... Rap music and the State.
Rap music is sheer evil shit produced by morons who were raised by monkeys and wolves & don't know any better, so I can almost forgive them their ignorance and I honestly would like to help them see the error of their ways.
The State however, CONSTANTLY commits mass killing in offensive wars across the planet, millions dead every year, and even portrays the murderers as heroes when it colludes with hollywood for some of the worst type of murder glamorization I've ever seen.
Only the state can get away with that. Before the USA, it was YOUR state doing just that, as it still does in some smaller part today.
Yet you defend this mass murder, just by agreeing to keep the state around. How Evil you are.
I've already stated that NO-ONE should be allowed to kill, not even the state.
You're still talking about self-defense. When's the last time the USA had to kill anyone out of self-defense? We killed half a BILLION Iraqis lately though, and Secretary Clinton even said "it was worth it" when we did so.
Once you get the state allowed to kill, then you get people like scottspfd82 saying that he should be allowed to murder in "self-defence" and then it's a small step to every whack-job interpreting small slights as "attacks" that require "self-defence" and you end up with people killing for for not being allowed to watch television.
I know this makes sense in your little head, but out here in the real world, this is what we call insane rambling.
The fact is that before guns, MEN killed in self defense, with their hands if they needed to, since we were still swinging in the trees. Mankind's desire to kill other men isn't changed by the availability of the gun... It's not the gun's fault, it's the man's.
It seems to me that both you and your government need to negotiate a mutual disarming.
The govt abolishes the death penalty and repeals the crazy drone act, plus also enacts a constitutional amendment guaranteeing people's privacy and their right not to be spied on, in return for the repeal of the second amendment.
LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for the good laugh; that was really something.
Just to help you come back from your psychosis a bit, you might want to ask yourself why citizens should negotiate with their elected representatives? Weren't they elected to REPRESENT the interests of those citizens?
Just wow...
None of it will happen of course, because you (yourselves and the govt that is the perfect reflection of you) all love your guns and get orgasmic thinking about your "right" to kill someone with them.
This is pretty insulting... I'm starting to wonder if I've just been trolled.
Some of us Gun owners don't like guns, btw. I hate the fact that I have to own one, but I'd hate more seeing my country turn into nazi germany circa 1939 or seeing my wife beaten to death in front of me and not being able to stop it.
Those who don't own guns are irresponsible assholes that are far more likely to get the violence that they deserve.
