Heck, that isn't even enough. We need to just allow the workers anything they want as they ask for it so everyone can have everything. Poverty won't even exist after that.
$15 Minimum Wage in Seattle Approved
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Heck, that isn't even enough. We need to just allow the workers anything they want as they ask for it so everyone can have everything. Poverty won't even exist after that.
That's a retarded argument and made by noobs who are frustrated at their inability to analyze the issue. Even the most staunch proponents of the minimum wage recognize that after a certain level that the minimum wage starts to become counter-effective. $15 is not at the level.
Some reading before you spout more tired arguments:
All of the Arguments Against Raising the Minimum Wage Have Fallen Apart
Clearly jerry55 is just trolling here. All is good. Phew..
lol nice try rookie. Someone disagrees with a guy whose contribution is posting gifs and that person becomes a troll? Good times indeed.
People on this forum should be championing a minimum wage increase for their own self-interest. More money going to the working class = more money in the pockets of the people who you target your offers to. It's not the Bill Gates and Warren Buffets of the world who are spending money on your weight loss/dating/gaming/health offers. It's the people who would be given a spending boost by the minimum wage increase.
I didn't read responses - but a $15 minimum wage seems counterproductive. All the small businesses will be simply unable to hire staff - and big businesses will cut employees to make up for profits. And anyone with any real skills is earning over $15 an hour anyway.
If I've learned anything about America in the last decade - it's that you're not going to force big companies to do what you want [especially part with money] with stupid little things like laws. If they raise the min wage, the companies will respond. And the min wage people will still lose.
Also - because many people lose their jobs, due small businesses/shops not being able to afford a zitty 19 year old durrhurr for $15 an hour - the durrhurr goes on welfare. And that's more monies out of taxpayer pockets. Gluck, seattle.
If I've learned anything about America in the last decade - it's that you're not going to force big companies to do what you want [especially part with money] with stupid little things like laws. If they raise the min wage, the companies will respond. And the min wage people will still lose.
Also - because many people lose their jobs, due small businesses/shops not being able to afford a zitty 19 year old durrhurr for $15 an hour - the durrhurr goes on welfare. And that's more monies out of taxpayer pockets. Gluck, seattle.
^^ There's no income tax in WA, they raise money through property, fuel, etc. taxes to pay for things. We have cheap electricity from hydro power.
There are a lot of data centers in eastern WA with cheapest electricity in nation. Lots of different industry from boeing, microsoft, amazon, nintendo, major shipping ports, agriculture, commercial fishing, tourism, timber, etc. it's more resilient than a lot of other places in the country. And it's fucking gorgeous.
There are a lot of data centers in eastern WA with cheapest electricity in nation. Lots of different industry from boeing, microsoft, amazon, nintendo, major shipping ports, agriculture, commercial fishing, tourism, timber, etc. it's more resilient than a lot of other places in the country. And it's fucking gorgeous.
Yup. Seattle is one of the last great cities in America. It's the weather that gets to me, though.
On a side note, I've read arguments against the minimum wage from Mises (and a few other unrelated Austrian economists), as well as arguments in favor of it from various other sources.
It's one of those rare instances where I can't choose sides. I'm going to have to study economics more before I can form a confident opinion on any of it.
So let me get this straight.. You would have absolutely 0 problem showing up at someone's place of business, demanding to see the owner and giving them this ultimatum, "Either you pay every employee at least $15 an hour here, even though this is *YOUR* business and employment here is voluntary, or we shut down your business and/or stick you in a rape cage. If you resist, I'll murder you."
I just want to be sure you're the type of person I'd like to avoid, you know.. the type that think solving problems through threats and aggression like some pot-pellied ginger bully on the playground is a-ok.
Hey everyone, meet jerry!
http://mises.org/books/economics_in_one_lesson_hazlitt.pdf
Chapter 18 is very good.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. It's too much effort for too little payoff. But I never miss a chance to link to Hazlitt.
And as noted by dreamache, economics is only one side of the argument. Morality is an even larger issue.
Chapter 18 is very good.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. It's too much effort for too little payoff. But I never miss a chance to link to Hazlitt.
And as noted by dreamache, economics is only one side of the argument. Morality is an even larger issue.
What an odd coincidence.
You can't be that retarded. What happened in '08 genius?
So let me get this straight.. You would have absolutely 0 problem showing up at someone's place of business, demanding to see the owner and giving them this ultimatum, "Either you pay every employee at least $15 an hour here, even though this is *YOUR* business and employment here is voluntary, or we shut down your business and/or stick you in a rape cage. If you resist, I'll murder you."
I just want to be sure you're the type of person I'd like to avoid, you know.. the type that think solving problems through threats and aggression like some pot-pellied ginger bully on the playground is a-ok.
Hey everyone, meet jerry!
We got our very own Cliven Bundy here. Let me guess you don't pay taxes either. Welcome to internet forums: the last refuge of anarcho-capitalists and Mises-tards.