5 countries will kill the Euro

The CHF is depending on the price of gold about 70-90% covered by gold that's stored in the Swiss national bank.

Even if it wasn't covered, the reason why the CHF is going to be worth money is because it's one of the most stable and reliable currencies in the world, just that reputation will keep it from fluctuation wildly. On top of that we had the good sense to stay away from the Euro and it's just starting to pay off. The Swiss National Bank actually just bought about $50 billion Euros in order to keep the CHF from appriciating so much that exports would suffer.

"The Swiss franc has historically been considered a safe haven currency with virtually zero inflation and a legal requirement that a minimum of 40% be backed by gold reserves.[8] However, this link to gold, which dates from the 1920s, was terminated on 1 May 2000 following a referendum.[9] By March 2005, following a gold selling program, the Swiss National Bank held 1,290 tonnes of gold in reserves which equated to 20% of its assets.[10]
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US medical care is amongst the best in the world if you are covered or have the money. Just look at John's hopkins or the Mayo Clinic, they are doing amazing things. A health care system's efficacy in terms of the individual's life is all relative to what their issues are. If you have a serious disease and need specific care, a health care system that is all free for everyone but doesn't have specialists available to save you really doesn't help much.

Amongst is the keyword here. Switzerland, Germany, Lichtenstein, most of the Nordic countries and several other European countries have a health care system at least equal to the US system in terms of quality of care. But unlike in the US they actually treat who ever needs to be treated.

I am in no way saying you should change how the hospitals etc. are run. They are indeed excellent in the US. The problem is the system of Insurances. They have lobbied politicians for so long now that they can do what ever makes them most money.

Health insurance is one of those fields that DO NOT work without strict government regulation. What they should have done is simply outlaw most of the scammy practices that the insurances use to make profits by screwing people. That would have never passed congress though because the insurances have so much money so instead they started a public insurance plan to at least offer an option to people that have been screwed by the system to be insured by someone that does not have profit in mind but the common good (I'm aware that I'm giving the government too much credit with that statement).

It's not a great solution but it will certainly improve things.
 
"The Swiss franc has historically been considered a safe haven currency with virtually zero inflation and a legal requirement that a minimum of 40% be backed by gold reserves.[8] However, this link to gold, which dates from the 1920s, was terminated on 1 May 2000 following a referendum.[9] By March 2005, following a gold selling program, the Swiss National Bank held 1,290 tonnes of gold in reserves which equated to 20% of its assets.[10]
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Correct but the price of gold in 2005 was about $400 per oz. and it is now about $1150. Also in 2005 the $ was worth about 1.30 CHF and it is now about 1.08 CHF. So those 20% in 2005 got tripped by the price increase (up to 60%) and then gained another 30% in value due to depreciation bringing the effective coverage to about 80%
 
Amongst is the keyword here. Switzerland, Germany, Lichtenstein, most of the Nordic countries and several other European countries have a health care system at least equal to the US system in terms of quality of care. But unlike in the US they actually treat who ever needs to be treated.

I am in no way saying you should change how the hospitals etc. are run. They are indeed excellent in the US. The problem is the system of Insurances. They have lobbied politicians for so long now that they can do what ever makes them most money.

Health insurance is one of those fields that DO NOT work without strict government regulation. What they should have done is simply outlaw most of the scammy practices that the insurances use to make profits by screwing people. That would have never passed congress though because the insurances have so much money so instead they started a public insurance plan to at least offer an option to people that have been screwed by the system to be insured by someone that does not have profit in mind but the common good (I'm aware that I'm giving the government too much credit with that statement).

It's not a great solution but it will certainly improve things.


Hospitals in the US are legally required to treat anyone that comes in , regardless of their abillity to pay. Where did you read otherwise?
 
Hospitals in the US are legally required to treat anyone that comes in , regardless of their abillity to pay. Where did you read otherwise?

Lol yes if you're bleeding and about to die, otherwise they are free to refuse treatment.
A friend of mine tore her ACL. The doc said she needed surgery but that the insurance would have to say that they pay first before they'd even schedule her.
The insurance refused to pay for 3 months and with that the hospital refused to operate.
She had to get a lawyer before the insurance agreed to pay.
Overall she waited for a surgery for 4 months that should have done within a week.

So no, they are not required to treat you unless you are about to croak.
 
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Lol yes if you're bleeding and about to die, otherwise they are free to refuse treatment.
A friend of mine tore her ACL. The doc said she needed surgery but that the insurance would have to say that they pay first before they'd even schedule her.
The insurance refused to pay for 3 months and with that the hospital refused to operate.
She had to get a lawyer before the insurance agreed to pay.
Overall she waited for a surgery for 4 months that should have done within a week.

So no, they are not required to treat you unless you are about to croak.

Right, and if you need ACL surgery in Canada, I'm sure you'll get it sooner than 4 months. What a joke. I can't believe you guys are still peddling this garbage even after it was jammed down the throats of the American people. Just give it a fuckin break.
 
Europe and all its countries will die under burocratic costs.
UE institutions are a jurassic mirror of national institutions, hundred and hundred super managers, thousands and thousands middle level managers who keep their asses on comfortable chairs in Bruxelles. What happened in Greece will happen in other countries too, You can see ready countries like Spain, Portugal and, of course, Italy, what to say about east block countries like Poland?
 
Is anyone else wondering when the good people of Germany are going to get tired of carrying all that dead weight around, and "give it another go"? Eventually all that Nazi guilt is gonna wear off.


lol, no way.

i'll invite you to come over and you gonna find out something like this won't happen in the next 100 years - at least.

you'll also find out the general vibe in terms of that greece thing is kinda different.
 
you'll also find out the general vibe in terms of that greece thing is kinda different.

I'm genuinely curious as to what the vibe is there in Germany about Greece. WickedFire prognosticators aside, I've read more than a few articles that say Germany's economy is the only thing keeping the EU as monetary entity together and their growing weariness of Greece and other countries not wanting to rein in their spending. How (in)accurate are either or both of those statements?
 
I'm genuinely curious as to what the vibe is there in Germany about Greece. WickedFire prognosticators aside, I've read more than a few articles that say Germany's economy is the only thing keeping the EU as monetary entity together and their growing weariness of Greece and other countries not wanting to rein in their spending. How (in)accurate are either or both of those statements?


sorry my post was kinda misleading. while it's true that many germans oppose the greek bailout most are still pro EU. this issue won't make people question the whole EU idea but i'm sure/hope they gonna raise the bar for future countries to join the union.

i'm not even talking about the bad apples that are already in.
 
When are the idiots of the world gona realize that socialism doesn't work. I mean how many fuckin times must a country fail or turn "Hitler" before these people get a clue???
 
When are the idiots of the world gona realize that socialism doesn't work. I mean how many fuckin times must a country fail or turn "Hitler" before these people get a clue???

So what "ism" does work? Everyone type I see appears to carry a shit load of debt & fails the people one way or another.
 
When are the idiots of the world gona realize that socialism doesn't work. I mean how many fuckin times must a country fail or turn "Hitler" before these people get a clue???

So how about you shut the fuck up about stuff you have no idea about... just like you preach others to when they talk about American stuff as they are not Americans.

Before you go all apeshit about European policies (I doubt you have ever been out of redneck texas, leave aside EU) do remember that the most socialistic countries in Europe are Sweden, Denmark and Norway -- all of which have their shit, financially speaking, in order. Unlike much much much less socialistic Greece, Spain, France, Portugal etc.

So maybe know your shit before generalizing (you have to be a liberal to generalize, conservatives never do that. Right?) or are you going to go by the Faux News playbook and preach about morals only when it suits your agenda?
 
And if you want an actual "fair and balanced" summary -- i.e. not only in words but reality -- of why Greece got into the shit it is not, read this - Greece's woes: The end of the party | The Economist

Yet Athenians were also saying, with wistful smiles, that it had been a good party while it lasted. The backdrop to the riots was that, in a mixed mood of resignation, black humour and bitterness, Greeks were bidding farewell to a decade in which everything good and bad about their country grew feverishly. There were sporting and cultural extravaganzas, starting with the 2004 Olympics. Archaeological sites were spruced up, new buildings erected. The middle class grew larger and more sophisticated. And many people at the lower end of the pile breathed a bit easier, if only because immigrants from poorer places came to harvest their olives and work in their restaurants.

At the same time, Greece’s worst habits—the plundering of state coffers, the hiring of cronies, the abuse of public office, impunity for the powerful—were multiplied on an ever larger scale. A handful of Cassandras said it would end in tears but, while the party lasted, nobody listened. Now, with the announcement on May 2nd of loans from the IMF and the European Union worth a total of €110 billion ($144 billion), plus an austerity plan, the party is well and truly over.
 
So how about you shut the fuck up about stuff you have no idea about... just like you preach others to when they talk about American stuff as they are not Americans.

Before you go all apeshit about European policies (I doubt you have ever been out of redneck texas, leave aside EU) do remember that the most socialistic countries in Europe are Sweden, Denmark and Norway -- all of which have their shit, financially speaking, in order. Unlike much much much less socialistic Greece, Spain, France, Portugal etc.

So maybe know your shit before generalizing (you have to be a liberal to generalize, conservatives never do that. Right?) or are you going to go by the Faux News playbook and preach about morals only when it suits your agenda?

O RLY?!

Let me give you the example of Portugal (ruled mostly by the socialist party since the left-wing revolution of '74).

Here 7 million people (out of 10 million) are paid directly or indirectly by the state. 70% of the population!!! People here expect everything to be provided by the state. All people get free health care, schooling since childhood all the way thru the university. "Poor" people get free houses and subsidies, etc, etc. If it's not socialist, it's very near.

3 million of us are productive and paying for the whole show...