A diet thread for grown-ups

avatar33 said:
What do you guys classify as healthy proteins? Is meat completely to abandon?

I've always contemplated going vegetarian because both heart disease and cancer are on my dad's side of the family (and they're all big time meat eaters)... but at the same time I also don't want to look like a wimp and want to keep some muscle and strength.

Do you think taking a protein/berry smoothie every day healthier/better than eating a lean piece of organic chicken/fish?
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Better? Not from a purely nutrient outlook. Personally? If I can meet my dietary requirements without supporting the bastardized farming industry machine I will. You would be surprised at the amount of protein that chia seeds, hemp hearts, chic peas, quinoa (keen-wa) have. 4 tablespoons of hemp hearts has 15g of protein and a 3-1 ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 (link). I sprinkle that shit on whatever I'm eating and don't even notice it. Because I am a vegan (sort of, I'm a salmon fisherman and eat what I catch) I use nutritional yeast to get my B vitamins which usually only come from animals.

I choose organic, non genetically modified produce because A) I don't want to consume mass amounts of pesticides (especially when making juice or anything that concentrates), and B) who the fuck knows what chain reactions occur when you mess with the genetic sequence of a plant/animal. If I can taste the difference between GMO and non GMO, there is a difference structurally.

Diet for me is a mix of personal beliefs, and knowledge of proper nutrition. I tried to go veggie when I was younger but didn't have the knowledge and felt weak and tired all the time.
 


@Jeffrey meat (especially red) has certainly been linked to both heart disease and cancer.

I eat meat. I love meat. But at the same time I know that I would probably be better off eating less of it, or not eating it at all.

It is clear that we humans are not anatomically designed to eat meat (or at least very little of it). Our teeth structure is more similar to herbivores like cows or horses, than to omnivores/carnivores.

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1 - Human
2 - Cow
3 - Cat
4 - Dog
5 - Horse
 
jeffrey said:
Here's the thing about nutrition - it's always changing. A new study comes out that says "insert food here" is good and not a year later another study comes out to say the food is actually harmful. When it all comes down to it, eat a variety of meats, seafood, and other protein sources and you'll be fine.

FYI, Meat doesn't cause heart disease. A lack of physical activity and poor diet (lots of processed foods) generally are the two culprits.
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This. I have a feeling that the truth is going to be that there is an interplay between genetics and what correct nutrition is, but we're not there yet.

For example - the statement "exercise to lose weight" isn't as valid as it would seem. It works better for some than others. For "non-responders", they would be far better focussing on diet than exercise.

There has been some interesting work linking certain genes to exercise response:

Fine mapping of a QTL on chromosome 13 fo... [Eur J Appl Physiol. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22174390
 
amateursurgeon said:
This. I have a feeling that the truth is going to be that there is an interplay between genetics and what correct nutrition is, but we're not there yet.
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Also agree, although I think we're pretty much there. We can all agree that bad food is bad (i.e. processed shit). However, that's not going to affect everyone the same way, much like say, smoking.

Someone can smoke all their lives and never get cancer. Others who are prone to it will get it after 20 years (for example).

The same with junk food. Some are very lucky and resistant to its negative effects while others (the majority of the population it seems) is susceptible.

But at the end of the day, junk food is dangerous, much like smoking. And whether it negatively affects you or not (or to whatever degree) you'd be well served to stay clear of it.

With that said, if you can stick to whole foods and severely restrict things that aren't found in nature, you'll be more than OK. The rest are just details for us to argue over. After all, everyone has their preconceived notions (I certainly do).
 
megatabbers said:
It's shit like this that makes everyone so fucking confused about nutrition:

New Clues to Link Between Fatty Diet, Colon Cancer - Yahoo! News



Now after reading that, ask yourself: what spikes insulin: fat or carbs?
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I'm seriously too lazy to start digging up info for this thread due to all the energy I spent in all the other food threads arguing with people who brought zero science to the table and pulled random myths out of their ass.

But for the above statement, if you're trying to say that carbs cause insulin spikes - here's some things you can use a starting point if you want to investigate this further. The issue is NOT carbs, it's the combinations of carbs WITH a high fat intake. I'm not trying to argue anything here just offering you a starting point for further research if this interests you :p

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_42LfH8veEU]How to Become Diabetic in Six Hours - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg_6WCa1-tM]Diabetes explained - YouTube[/ame]
 
avatar33 said:
What do you guys classify as healthy proteins?
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Egg protein is the closest out there to mother's milk. I stick with eggs and vegetable protein. Not soy.

One good general diet indicator to go by is the balance of alkalinity & acidity in your overall diet. A healthy human body has slightly alkaline blood. Nutshell, some foods pitch blood toward acidity, others toward alkalinity, and 'acidic' foods do not mean acidic blood. Just the opposite a lot of the time.

Meat, coffee, refined sugar and beer are the most common heavy duty acidity forming foods in the popular diet. Grains are acidity forming but substantially less so than those.

Interesting about eating meat, dairy & eggs, when you eat an acidity causing food your body compensates by dumping an alkalizer to balance. And the most popular place it sources this balance is from bone calcium. So all that good stuff you hear about eating meat and drinking milk for healthy bones, yeah. And your body does a better job synthesizing calcium and getting it from vegetables than getting it from dairy anyway.

Cancer and fungus and parasites and other nasty shit that makes you sick and die, they like acidic living environments and don't do well in alkaline environments. In fact there are reports of people blasting tumors with IVs of (alkaline) baking soda solution and dispersing the cancerous growths. If an oncologist is worth their weight in salt they'll put every patient on a vegan diet. Anyway stay alkaline.

Oh and the healthiest diet is really a personal thing, unique to the individual. What's healthy for one person may not work at all for another. Body chemistries differ, lifestyles differ, etc. Diets are like unique and beautiful snowflakes.

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m0rtal said:
I'm seriously too lazy to start digging up info for this thread due to all the energy I spent in all the other food threads arguing with people who brought zero science to the table and pulled random myths out of their ass.

But for the above statement, if you're trying to say that carbs cause insulin spikes - here's some things you can use a starting point if you want to investigate this further. The issue is NOT carbs, it's the combinations of carbs WITH a high fat intake. I'm not trying to argue anything here just offering you a starting point for further research if this interests you :p

How to Become Diabetic in Six Hours - YouTube

Diabetes explained - YouTube
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There's some serious junk science going on in those videos.

The 1st one "How to be diabetic in 6 hours" doesn't show any diabetes, it shows elevated blood triglyceride and sugar levels. An accurate title would be "Eating fat and sugar increases fat and sugar levels in your blood." You need to test plasma glucose concentration after period of fasting to show anything meaningful.

The 2nd one starts off with a nice basic explanation of how Insulin works, but then veers off into nonsense territory. Fat blocks insulin receptors? What's the mechanism for that, exactly? Long chain fatty acids are non-polar, and insulin is polar, so how would fat act as a ligand for an insulin receptor?

@MS Teacher, I'm not going to comment on the acid/alkaline thing here other than to say I've yet to be convinced about it, but I did want to say one thing... I've seen a lot of people compare things to mother's milk. But here's the thing. Mother's milk is the perfect food for babies. Doesn't mean it's right for adults.

Egg is a complete protein source though, and very well-absorbed :)
 
MSTeacher said:
One good general diet indicator to go by is the balance of alkalinity & acidity in your overall diet. A healthy human body has slightly alkaline blood. Nutshell, some foods pitch blood toward acidity, others toward alkalinity, and 'acidic' foods do not mean acidic blood. Just the opposite a lot of the time.
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That sounds like a load of complete fucken bullshit. Everything you eat passes through your stomach first, which is extremely acidic.

The alkaline\acidic diet theory has never been proven, and it's always alternative medicine schmucks promoting it.
 
m0rtal said:
if you're trying to say that carbs cause insulin spikes - here's some things you can use a starting point if you want to investigate this further.
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Thanks for the links dude, but I'm a former diabesity researcher so I already got a pretty "good" grasp on how these things work. And yes, carbs cause an insulin spike.
 
Intermittent Fasting + 5 Workouts/Week+ 1-2x Cardio/Week + 1-2 big cheatmeals per week = win

IF Calculator

Hit your macros each day from clean sources.

Proteins: Eggwhites, Whey Protein, Chicken, Thuna
Carbs: Oats, Brown Rice, Veggies (I prefer Peas, Carrots and Beans), add some starchy fruits (bananas, apples, strawberries)
Fats: Egg Yolks, Fishoil, Extra Virgine Olive Oil, Natural PB

It's no rocket science, just dedication and caloric adjustment.
 
avatar33 said:
@Jeffrey meat (especially red) has certainly been linked to both heart disease and cancer.

I eat meat. I love meat. But at the same time I know that I would probably be better off eating less of it, or not eating it at all.

It is clear that we humans are not anatomically designed to eat meat (or at least very little of it). Our teeth structure is more similar to herbivores like cows or horses, than to omnivores/carnivores.

jaws.jpg


1 - Human
2 - Cow
3 - Cat
4 - Dog
5 - Horse
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We've been eating meat for thousands of years. I'd say our bodies have adapted to meats at least somewhat over the course of this time period. With that being said, I don't eat a lot of red meat, but I do have the luxury of having one of the largest organic chicken plants in the country within 20 minutes of me. Organic eggs+ organic chicken + local grown produce = win.
 
amateursurgeon said:
Mother's milk is the perfect food for babies. Doesn't mean it's right for adults.

Egg is a complete protein source though, and very well-absorbed :)
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True enough. I guess a better conjecture is whatever your age it's probably best to mimic mother's milk when choosing an animal protein because it's intraspecific, regardless of when in the growth cycle it's used.

johnmatrix said:
The alkaline\acidic diet theory has never been proven, and it's always alternative medicine schmucks promoting it.
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I know right? Alternative medicine doesn't have anything good to contribute. Personally when I look for health information I make sure my source has a powerful lobby behind it and is endorsed by at least one multinational pharmaceutical company.
 
amateursurgeon said:
So..... what constitutes a healthy diet?
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According to WildGunner, a "healthy diet" (pertaining to food) is a nutrient rich and balanced food regimen that evolves with time based on the information gathered and results obtained from the foods that you do or do not eat. It contains primarily natural foods freed of as many deleterious chemicals as possible and is usually supplemented with routine exercise.

Personally this means:
  • Hitting the gym or exercising a few times a week.
  • Buying mostly organic and local produce.
  • Essentially no packaged "foods" in the fridge unless homemade or "artisan"
  • Constantly reviewing and updating knowledge and information on the subject of health and wellness.
  • More vegetables and less of everything else.
  • Knowing the difference between being truly hungry, just wanting to munch and eating too much.
  • Drinking the appropriate amount of water.

There are various stages of "healthy" based on knowledge, desire, openness, mindset, "culture" and ability. Personally, what constituted healthy has evolved over time and gladly so.

The key thing learned on this journey so far is to be willing to adjust eating habits based on the information and research despite how you "feel" about it and not trying to find some other validating source to keep you where you are comfortable when something comes up that goes against what you like.

Admittedly sometimes it sucks, but prevention is better than disease, sickness or ailments after the fact, should something occur because of poor dietary habits.
 
Dwight Shrute you are a discrace to human existence there should be one word and one word only that you state...

B E E T S !!!!!!!!!!!!





BEARS.BEETS.BEARS EAT BEETS.
 
ok ok i will unbastardize your thread sorry about that.

anyway i stick by a few rules:

  • organic whenever possible
  • eat vegetables and fruits at least one of every color once a day
  • half gallon of water per day
  • red meat 2-5 times per week max, but mandatory
  • animal protein at ever meal
  • small meals 5 times a day
  • tons of fiber in the form of veggies and wheat
  • avoid any food that is white including white sugar, white bread and white rice etc etc

so i am not nearly on the level of you guys as far as the science behind things but i do read and have reasons for everything. i am also really into juicing/blending recently DAMN it just makes you feel good a nice spinach/carrot/strawberry with whey shake. MMMUMPH.


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