A Perfect Dissection of What American Women Have Become
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I think that a big factor in this is that we are seeing the first generations of children raised in uberfemenism become adults in the dating world. Not only are the females set up to fail by their parent's example (they see: mom is running the show, mom is shirking her caretaker role, dad is just a figurehead, mom has a poor opinion of men in general, women are entitled to do whatever they want and men should "be supportive") but the sons of these women have been equally brainwashed to follow an unnatural role (women are dominant, if you try to be dominant that is wrong, women that are traditionally feminine are stupid, lazy, greedy and/or undesirable.)
The young men's response tends to go one of two ways: they resent women for these power plays and refuse to submit to marriage or commitment (why would they?) or they buckle under the pressure and get into a "Yes, dear" kind of thankless relationship (think early Walter White) where both parties are pretty much unhappy. Is the man unhappier? I don't know. But most American women that are living in a feminist marriage model are either currently unhappy or end up that way eventually. Maybe hubby snaps and leaves her holding the bag. Maybe it's the emptiness that comes from living unnaturally that makes the wife try and fill the void through affairs, prescription pills or other kinds of escapism.
All in all, a bad deal for all involved.
i recently watched 60 Minutes Sports about kayaking.
long story short, an early 20-something girl decided she was as good as the best in the sport because her mommy & daddy told her she was awesome her whole life, so she put in above the wickedest class 5's in the country and died.
is there nothing to be said for reality anymore?
long story short, an early 20-something girl decided she was as good as the best in the sport because her mommy & daddy told her she was awesome her whole life, so she put in above the wickedest class 5's in the country and died.
is there nothing to be said for reality anymore?
I actually grew up under parents that match that description to a T. Ironically, as they've become older, the roles have settled in to a more traditional role.
Naturally, because of what I admitted to above, my early relationships were all in the "Yes, ma'am" territory by default. After all, I didn't know any better. Needless to say, every single one them was a horrendous failure.
Took years, but I finally wised up, and now I'm firmly in the camp that refuses to deal with a woman's shit. I certainly think I'm now the type that will avoid future marriage/commitment at all costs.
I'm sure I'll be in a serious relationship before long, after all, I love having a live-in GF, but with everything I've learned/experienced, you can bet your ass every single thing will be in my name. They money is mine, the house, the car, the cable, the internet, the phones, all of it.
Why? Because girls in this generation "sell" themselves, based on all the bullshit they've been fed their whole lives, and after 6mo-1yr of living together, you get to see who they really are, and the majority aren't worth the cab money you'll need to give them to get the hell out.
God, reading that, I am jaded. ha.
Oh come on now, they are not all that bad....you just have to go to China to find the sweet ones:love-smiley-087:
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I don't know where you get that I'm spouting feminism. Just because I'm pointing out flaws I perceive in you and your narrative. Trying to reframe the argument, redefine gold-digger to distance yourself from it. Decent debating skills you have, however, this doesn't change facts.
Here we have you dating somebody that by your own admission is 20 years your senior, fat and an alcoholic. Now, lets put the shoe on the other foot for a second. Lets say I was dating a woman that was 20 years older than me, fat and an alcoholic, but hey she has money... would that not make me a gigolo? I think it would.
In the same way, you are a bit of a gold-digger. Maybe you're not the worst most vapid gold-digger ever. Maybe you're not there for the sole purpose of draining this man's wallet. Maybe you do actually love this guy in some way. Still, doesn't change the facts of the situation.
If this same guy didn't have money, I bet you'd drop him like a bad habit. And maybe I'm bitter, because I've had greedy little hanger-on girls like that before that were the greatest sweetest things when I was rolling in cash, but bailed on me at the first signs of hard times.
Generalize much?
I generally prefer feminine submissive women that desire to please me. What I don't like are the self-serving ones that hide their narcissism behind a veil of being a traditional type of chick.
Also, lol feminism...
We were people back then, Baby. We were real. What happened?
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Bring it on back.
The model of an older man and a younger woman has been an acceptable relationship type across the globe until just recently (since the 80s) now it is thought of in the terms that you described but only really in feminist cultures.
Which model makes more sense? Did I read that correctly? Younger women older men relationships are less likely to end in divorce? Maybe just maybe that's because we are happy.
Is it safe to say that young men aren't ready to settle down and commit just yet? They are focused on their careers, they are in "building mode" and they are reluctant to hamper their progress by adding a family to the mix. If they do, these days it's often "by accident" so either you have a young couple where the man is resenting this new burden or you have a single mom because the man is just not going to give in. An older man has built his empire and sown his wild oats, an older man is ready for love and commitment.
Gold diggers are shallow right? Your reasons for why I couldn't actually have an authentic, loving relationship with this man were the epitome of shallow: because he's old, because he's fat. What about the fact that we enjoy each other's company? What about the fact that we have great conversation, great laughs and mutual respect and admiration?
Do you think that I don't know what will happen when he gets sick, when he gets older? He was hospitalized last year for heart surgery. I slept in a chair next to his bed, I was his nurse when he came home. I fed him, bathed him, read to him. If he needs extended care when he gets older who do you think will then bear the financial burden if the money dries up and he needs expensive treatments? Me. And I'll deal, I'll make it work because that's what you do.
So yes, I'm selfish and shallow. And he is a sucker for loving me isn't he?
Which model makes more sense? Did I read that correctly? Younger women older men relationships are less likely to end in divorce? Maybe just maybe that's because we are happy.
Is it safe to say that young men aren't ready to settle down and commit just yet? They are focused on their careers, they are in "building mode" and they are reluctant to hamper their progress by adding a family to the mix. If they do, these days it's often "by accident" so either you have a young couple where the man is resenting this new burden or you have a single mom because the man is just not going to give in. An older man has built his empire and sown his wild oats, an older man is ready for love and commitment.
Gold diggers are shallow right? Your reasons for why I couldn't actually have an authentic, loving relationship with this man were the epitome of shallow: because he's old, because he's fat. What about the fact that we enjoy each other's company? What about the fact that we have great conversation, great laughs and mutual respect and admiration?
Do you think that I don't know what will happen when he gets sick, when he gets older? He was hospitalized last year for heart surgery. I slept in a chair next to his bed, I was his nurse when he came home. I fed him, bathed him, read to him. If he needs extended care when he gets older who do you think will then bear the financial burden if the money dries up and he needs expensive treatments? Me. And I'll deal, I'll make it work because that's what you do.
So yes, I'm selfish and shallow. And he is a sucker for loving me isn't he?
I can certainly relate to this, but the thing is, in this day and age, especially with younger, western women, financial stability is an absolute, undeniable prerequisite for a relationship. It's one of the reasons relationships where the male is older tend to last longer.
I mean, it's romantic to harbor the idea of a chick saying, "Even if we live in a cardboard box, I'll always be by your side." (I've even had chicks say this to me, which, of course, is always bullshit). But, the fact is, that shit just isn't realistic.
For the vast, vast majority of women, if you don't have your financial life in order (whether it's your fault or not. Unforeseen acts of God ruin your finances? Tough shit), they're gone - no matter how much they claim to love you. Sure, there are exceptions to this rule, who will stick by your side through even the toughest times, but, in my opinion, they are such a tiny fraction of the population that they're not even statistically relevant.
Whether guys like it or not, there's no getting around having a solid level of financial stability in order to have a lasting relationship. Call 'em gold-diggers all you want, but that's just how it works now (and always has, to some degree). Love has a price.
If I don't mind that you are broke with no job then surely you won't mind if I get big and fat and stop shaving right?
A little of both lol. I think anyone, man or woman that bails on their partner following and act of god, unforeseen shit storm etc is a piece of shit and was never in love period.
I think it's all about effort on both sides. Ok, so a guy gets laid off, should his woman leave him? I don't know, is he looking for a job or is he sulking for months, glued to his Xbox while she pays all the bills?
Same thing goes for you boys, is it right for a man to leave his wife because she got cancer and she lost all of her hair? Would be pretty shitty. But what about the wife that just lays around in sweatpants, gets fat and lets herself go? She's not making an effort, just like the Xbox bum.
Nobody should have to worry about things outside their control ruining their relationship, that's where the "for better or worse, for richer or for poorer" comes in. But there should be an "effort" clause added definitely.
I don't disagree, and maybe I'm just way too jaded, but I firmly believe that if you put a woman under financial hardship, regardless of effort, for any extended period of time ("extended" is different for all women. For some, it's a week. For others, it's years), they're going to leave. How you got there is completely and totally irrelevant. As it is in the world, people only give a shit about results - relationships are no different.
Same goes for women, too. Men can say that they'll stick by you no matter how fat/sick/whatever you get, but, as many women will tell you, once the chips are down, it's all bullshit. The vast majority of men will bail.
It should be noted that I'm referring mostly to younger relationships, people in the 20-40 range. Once you get older, I think a lot of that shit falls away for several reasons.
How could it be irrelevant when the cause is what determines who dropped the ball? If you got lazy and that's why she left then you have some work to do. But if you made an honest effort and something out of your control caused her to leave then you are probably better off without that snake.
Women that do shit like that are trash, same goes for the men that do that too.