Anyone here have any experience with Fed prison?

My roommate has done 10 years in state penitentiary.

Pedos usually go on a special block for mentally/gay/pedo etc. If he gets fucked up they'll probably put him in solitary, but there is no guarantee that the correctional officers won't want to fuck him up or set up fights between him and other inmates.

Basically, it sucks pretty bad and if you are in there for a long period of time you develop an entire lifestyle centered on imprisonment and when you leave the institutionalization makes the normal world pretty rough.

Good luck!

See, one more reason why porn is horrible and we should all stick to real live 18+ pussy.
 


When he gets out he's doomed to work as a dental assistant where his boss will try to have sex with him.

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I only ask because while there is a good chance none of our members do, maybe they know someone that does.

I've been stressing like a motherfucker lately about this shit, and it would be nice to get some first-hand advice, or, well, fuck... Just talk about this shit.

One of my closest friends, who I am closer to than my own brothers, is about to do some major time for trying to look at nudie self-shots of teens on the interwebz.

I've been working probably 30+ hours a week lately on trying to find relevant case law to try and prepare for his stupid fucking attorney (got the best he could afford, but it isn't much) who seems to have no solid experience in Federal courts, plus trying to prepare myself and other friends for losing him.

His actual charge is "Possession of child pornography" and according to the most recent paperwork (United States Probation/Pretrial Release Sentencing Recommendations) that was drawn up for his case and submitted, it looks like at the end of April, he is going away for 8 years.

I'm afraid he won't make it through, and these may be the last 2 months I'll ever spend with him, and at the risk of sounding like a bitch, its breaking my fucking heart.

Anyways... I've been trying to stuff as much shit in his head as I can before he goes, to try and prepare him as best as I can, but I know people with "sexual crimes against children" aren't really treated well in prison.

So, anyone ever gone to club Feb? I know there has to be someone here with a white collar stain on their record! haha

Advice? Recommendations? Input? Shit talking? Let it flow.

EDIT:
Right after I submitted this, I realized that people might ask for a little further clarification of the charges, so I'll just try to expand on that a little.

He was 26 when he got raided by the FBI in late 2010. No criminal record, a clean service record for the US military where he was honorably discharged for military-caused hearing loss, has always been an average and steady hard worker with a shit job. I've known him for 6 years. He is gay, but you would never fucking know it if he didn't tell you. He has dated a few times, but is rather timid when it comes to taking charge and getting laid, and thus, he is still a virgin.

He isn't like us, in that he has a very basic understanding of computers, and uses them accordingly. As anyone around from the Skittles era of WF will know quite well, if you wanna see a 16 year old chick snap titty pics on her iPhone, you don't need to look very hard to find them in abundance. Well, apparently the opposite isn't quite the same. So, he used a file sharing program to try and download and thus view images (a newb mistake I'll never forgive him for). He downloaded mostly zip and rar archives of teens.

Anyone that has done this (don't lie, we all downloaded porn at one time or another from shit like Limewire back in the day) knows as well as I do that you don't always get what the title implies.

He also didn't understand how P2P worked, and that everything he downloaded was also being shared. So, downloaded archives of 'teens' thinking 16-20 year olds, looked at probably 5% of the images (in my old porn experience, archives contain hundreds, if not thousands, of files) and went on about his business. One of the archives contained 110 or so images of 'children' (from the evidence I've been able to get his attorney to provide, these were 13-14 year olds, and comprised nearly exclusively of nudity, but not abuse/sex/sexual acts), and another multi GB archive of videos he downloaded contained 74 "questionable" video files, with three of them being confirmed children. One video contained a 13 year old with his hands bound, and that is what nailed him to the cross.

An agent in NY (we are in the southwest) was searching for illegal files by connecting>grabbing files and got one of these archives from his computer (now it is distribution across state lines).

Warrant was issued, raid took place, everything seized, etc etc etc

US filed indictment for possession and for distribution.

Was offered a plea of only possession, and took it.

In explaining all of this to anyone that hasn't been in the middle of the whole situation, I feel akin to a mother trying to defend her sons character and saying "my boy is a good boy!", but it isn't like that.

He fucked up, and he indeed did intend to look at underage images, but the really young shit was a fluke, it's not what he's into, and I do know that for a fact.

I know I'll probably catch a lot of shit here, but sometimes you cunts can be quite level-headed and rational people, so I figured why the fuck not try. :)

How do I get on the wait list to be your buddy? This is some above and beyond the call shit you're doing right here.

Most people would have dropped him like a hot rock, and or beat the shit out of him.

Instead, you're doing research and sparring with him.
 
sucks to hear. Hope it all works out for him.

cases where its the US Government VS you are pretty rough. 99% of the time you will lose. the government has unlimited resources VS you paying $xxx/hr to your lawyer.

the FBI generally doesnt go after people unless they are positive a conviction will come out of it or have enough evidence already to do so.
 
This is fucking horrible advice. Being as violent as possible is a great fucking way to get the shit kicked out of you until you aren't breathing anymore. There's a fucking hierarchy in there. Walk in and take a shot at the wrong guy and you're fucked. Keep your nose to yourself, don't take shit, don't start shit. That's his best bet.

How do you know? Have you been? I haven't, but I had a friend who was in federal prison for 3 years. (I think I've discussed it here before) There is a hierarchy but how do you think you're established in that system? You come in fighting. They want to get a feel for you (no pun intended, really) so he said with the first "feeler" they sent out, he went bat shit crazy. He says he still got a beat down but they realized he's not really worth it. As with any bully situation, they usually go for the easy kill. He still got tested a few more times and paid for it physically but he never had to really worry about the sexual assault thing after that.

Probably every prison is different, so it might not hold up here, but fuck, I figure it's worth going down fighting.
 
Actually yes a friend of mine that was in the SEO industry is doing a dime-piece for fraud. He said it really isn't that bad.
 
My roommate has done 10 years in state penitentiary.

Pedos usually go on a special block for mentally/gay/pedo etc. If he gets fucked up they'll probably put him in solitary, but there is no guarantee that the correctional officers won't want to fuck him up or set up fights between him and other inmates.

Basically, it sucks pretty bad and if you are in there for a long period of time you develop an entire lifestyle centered on imprisonment and when you leave the institutionalization makes the normal world pretty rough.

Good luck!

See, one more reason why porn is horrible and we should all stick to real live 18+ pussy.

Appreciate the input. I know he's going after protective custody, and the woman that handles his case re: Pretrial Services said her report is recommending PC as well. He was apathetic about attacks at first because he assumed PC and the fact that he would be in a special housing unit for people like himself meant that he could just sit back and do his time without any issues.

I had to clear that up for him by telling him that "people like him", in this case, means the toothless big white guy with the handle-bar mustache that raped his step daughter, and the guy that kidnapped a 7 year old, raped them, then killed them.

That's when he quit back peddling on the training and finally take it seriously.

fuck you america and your kinda stupid laws

I agree. Not even just because of this, as probably 80%+ of sex crimes against children are actually really fucked up. But there is that small yet decent percentage that just aren't right to punish like they do (age of consent laws, or the fact that a 17 year old chick that's smoking fucking hot and can pass for 22 can flirt with you all night at a club she got into, go home with you, hop on top of you on the couch until you're both naked doing the dirty, can put you in prison).

I actually crunched the numbers according to Federal guidelines and if he were to take advantage of a 10 year old boy and fuck him, he would be facing around 3.5-4.5 years.

I've found dozens of cases where the Judge has stated on record that sentencing laws are not fair, and do not properly reflect the crime committed.

How do I get on the wait list to be your buddy? This is some above and beyond the call shit you're doing right here.

Most people would have dropped him like a hot rock, and or beat the shit out of him.

Instead, you're doing research and sparring with him.

haha

I'd do anything for my friends, and they'd do anything for me. If a friend fucks up like this, I'm there for them the whole way. If they were to fuck up in a real bad way (not that this isn't bad, but I think the punishment is more than enough), I'd be the one to sit them down and set them straight, just like I'd hope they do for me.

I interviewed lawyers before I sent him to the firm he went with (sadly, the attorney he hired in the firm, whom was very good, bought into the firm and moved up the ladder and he got assigned a new guy that sucks). I helped him sell off all of his weapons (about $30,000 in guns, a few of them accounting for $4k each or so) and prepare his home for the inspections from the Gov. I helped him contact organizations that offer support, guidance, etc.

The morning he got raided actually, he was at school, and as he'd recently gotten out of the military and was now a fulltime student, he was living at home. His dad called him and said the FBI was there and he needed to come home asap.

He called me, and I had him meet me at a place we knew by a code name we always used as a joke, and I advised him on how to talk to them, what not to say, etc.

Then me and another good buddy went and sat on the house and got a count of how many agents were there and what they were doing before we had him show up.

I have literally hundreds of acquaintances, but only a few friends, and I'd do anything I can for them.

Life is short and shitty. It's good to have close friends. :)

hai guyz any advice for peeeedos???

Edit: sorry.

I forgive you.

I know its shitty to say... but at least he's already gay. :/

I tease him about this shit all the time. haha

"Well dude, you're going to be surrounded by a bunch of cock... Sounds like you just got lucky!"

"Not cool."
haha

sucks to hear. Hope it all works out for him.

cases where its the US Government VS you are pretty rough. 99% of the time you will lose. the government has unlimited resources VS you paying $xxx/hr to your lawyer.

the FBI generally doesnt go after people unless they are positive a conviction will come out of it or have enough evidence already to do so.

Yep. This.

They have a 98.2% success rate, and something like 97% of them take the plea.

I don't recall the exact math, but I did do it one evening, and came to the conclusion that he had roughly a 1 in 6 chance of winning if he fought it, but every attorney I spoke to wanted around $100,000 just to start trial.
 
Remind me not to clone any US credit cards.. lol. This shit doesnt go down in the UK like this. Form what I hear, even off people who have done serious time, prison is a walk in the park here if you know a few people at least. I feel for your bro but from what i DO know people dont just get sent to federal prison for no reason. I am finding it hard to have sympathy, I certainly do not sympathise with any kind of peadophillia. p's
 
Haven't been to prison, only holding cells. But I'd like to make a note:
If he did run, there would be a time where they couldn't catch up with him. There is a thing called Statute of limitations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Unless he committed murder or crimes against humanity, almost every crime has a statute of limitations.

And be fucking careful about researching helping a convicted felon in escaping the 'justice' department. There is a thing called aiding and abetting.

P.S. regarding US laws: anyone who supports the super strict laws will find it hard to get sympathy when their taboo activities end up biting them in the ass. NO single human on this earth can live a life without breaking dozens of US laws every day. If you understand reality, you know WHY they have those super strict rules, and here is a hit; it ain't for your own protection. Leaders have a vested interest in being able to arrest people for virtually anything. It is also why despite being responsible for knowing all 20,000+ federal laws + state laws + county laws + international laws, you are NEVER taught ANYTHING about law in school, high school or college (unless you go to law school)

P.S.S. I do believe in chemical castration and at least a year or two in prison for people who look at kiddie porn. By that I mean pre-teen. Not some 17 year old who looks 22. And people should get off the hook for entrapment. Doesn't matter how guilty, I don't believe in a police state. If you do, you will get everything you deserve; or you could just speed up the process and move to china.
 
Tell him not to get into debt with someone in there. Someone will come along and possibly buy up that debt or the person he is in debt to basically owns him.

I am surprised he is getting 8 years on this. Just turn on the news and someone who commits violent acts gets 5 years or someone who has sex with a kid gets a handful of years or someone who kills someone in a DWI get like a year in jail.
 
How do you know? Have you been? I haven't, but I had a friend who was in federal prison for 3 years. (I think I've discussed it here before) There is a hierarchy but how do you think you're established in that system? You come in fighting. They want to get a feel for you (no pun intended, really) so he said with the first "feeler" they sent out, he went bat shit crazy. He says he still got a beat down but they realized he's not really worth it. As with any bully situation, they usually go for the easy kill. He still got tested a few more times and paid for it physically but he never had to really worry about the sexual assault thing after that.

Probably every prison is different, so it might not hold up here, but fuck, I figure it's worth going down fighting.

This is sort of how I see it as well.

My advice to him on this has basically to just "be". In other words, try to be a fly on the wall. Don't laugh or cry, don't be angry or passive, don't be loud or quiet. Just exist.

Don't get involved with anything bad. Don't make any friends, but be friendly. Don't talk too much, but don't be silent.

And if anyone comes at you, give them as much hell as you can. From what I've read so far, you are very unlikely to get further charges for fighting, so give it all you have.

You may want to think "If I do fight, they'll just come back for revenge." but if you DON'T fight, they'll just come back to fuck with you further and harder.

The point isn't winning the fight, or pride (on your part), it is to simply let them know that you aren't an easy target.

Do this, and you should stay off the radar. There is always a chance someone will want to attack you because of your charges, but that is much less likely that someone wanting to attack you because of something you do or say to piss someone off.

I told him "Remember when you went through boot camp? And after, how you were in the barracks with that dickhead roommate you always talk about how much you hated? This will be just like that, except with must nastier people, and it will last longer. Treat it like boot camp, keep your head occupied, and offer up help where you can to keep you busy (teaching inmates for GED, reading, writing letters, etc), and you should be ok.

Actually yes a friend of mine that was in the SEO industry is doing a dime-piece for fraud. He said it really isn't that bad.

Would you mind expanding on this a little bit? I'd love to hear more about his experiences in there, maybe where he went (or even what level facility it was - they have 4 levels), etc.


Love that show.

Remind me not to clone any US credit cards.. lol. This shit doesnt go down in the UK like this. Form what I hear, even off people who have done serious time, prison is a walk in the park here if you know a few people at least. I feel for your bro but from what i DO know people dont just get sent to federal prison for no reason. I am finding it hard to have sympathy, I certainly do not sympathise with any kind of peadophillia. p's

I know what you mean. I couldn't possibly expect anyone here to fully understand the situation, and just as I would, I know everyone will take a story like this with a grain of salt and err on the side of caution, per se.

And considering most people will want to cover their loved ones in a situation like this and talk about how little DayDay would never shoot someone over a dime bag of weed, we all know it's usually bullshit. :)

That being said: I have never understood the whole legal/moralistic debacle about ages. I think MOST of the guys here have seen, usually on more than one occasion, a girl they'd love to kick-fuck the shit out of, just to learn later that they were 16.

So I don't hate on him for the JB shit whatsoever. But I also know that's what he is into: the 17-20 year old age, primarily. If he were actually into kids, we wouldn't be friends.

I personally believe there are signs of people attracted to children, whether or not people pick up on them. My friends and I know each other inside and out (not literally). Every thing we enjoy in life, every thing we lust after or look forward to. If I wasn't 100% confident in this, we wouldn't be friends, and I sure as hell wouldn't support him.

Quite some time ago he worked for a local community center in a suburb he lived in (community pool and gym and shit like that; a quite large community of probably 100,000+ people) and thus was around kids and young teens daily.

Many of our friends now were 12-15 year olds then, and thus he has been 'friends' with them for quite some time. I know, personally, probably 2 dozen guys that spent a lot of time around him/near him, and sometimes alone with him (friends little brothers, etc), and these are all of the people volunteering to speak to the court on his behalf, and the people that have been attending every court hearing thus far.

Anyways, that's the end of my rant/long ass reply. haha
 
Haven't been to prison, only holding cells. But I'd like to make a note:
If he did run, there would be a time where they couldn't catch up with him. There is a thing called Statute of limitations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Unless he committed murder of crimes against humanity, almost every crime has a statute of limitations.

And be fucking careful about researching helping a convicted felon in escaping the 'justice' department. There is a thing called aiding and abetting.

While I didn't get far enough into the US side of the chase to get a factual answer on whether or not there was indeed a statute of limitations on this, seeing that it is a Federal and not a state or local charge, I have always been under the impression that it had none.

Also, don't worry, I'm not dumb. :)

Everything I have discussed here is already documented and thus of no risk to the person we are discussing, and the decision was made to forego that option, so I can mildly discuss it now.

Also, 'Tails' installed on a thumb drive + Laptop + MAC roller + remotely located open WIFI = FTW.

Tell him not to get into debt with someone in there. Someone will come along and possibly buy up that debt or the person he is in debt to basically owns him.

I am surprised he is getting 8 years on this. Just turn on the news and someone who commits violent acts gets 5 years or someone who has sex with a kid gets a handful of years or someone who kills someone in a DWI get like a year in jail.

I have told him this over and over again. Quite a few years ago I had a friend go to state prison for beating the crap out of a 17 year old when he was 19. He would always call around asking for money because he got into debt for drugs. While I absolutely hated the kid he beat up, and will always think he completely deserved it, I DID tell this particular friend to go home that evening. I saw what was coming and tried to stop it, and told him exactly how it would play out. He went behind my back and beat the kid up and no one knew until the cops showed up the next morning looking for him.

Thus, no money from me. If you can't help me help you, don't ask me to help you afterwards.

And I am surprised too. It seems, from the research I have done, that sentencing can vary quite wildly. For EXTREMELY similar crimes, I have seen people get anywhere from 1 day incarcerated and 10 years of supervision, to life in prison without parole (not kidding).
 
I came in here to point out that rape in prison is a very rare occurrence, despite what you see on TV. There are plenty of gays in prison more than happy to be someone's bitch. However, the fact that he is gay will not work out well for him if he's not in PC.

As far as people knowing what he's in for - you used to be able to keep that to yourself but everything is online now so someone, a cell mate, or whatever will have someone look him up and that shit will get out. However, sex offenders are normally kept with other sex offenders so that shouldn't be a big problem.

Tell him not to gamble, do drugs, drink, or get involved with anything shady. If he keeps to himself, reads, watches TV and works out he should be fine. The problem is guys let themselves get comfortable after awhile and that's when they find themselves in a bad spot. Oh yeah, tell him to stop shaving right now too.

One more thing - DO NOT go in there looking for a fight. Even if he wins, the guy will come back for revenge and it will be very bloody. Only fight in response to a physical attack or serious disrespect. It's not like a bar where you'll never see the guy again. He'll have to sleep.eventually so the last thing he needs is to have someone ready to fuck him up at any opportunity.
 
Edit: Never mind:

The statute of limitations is also tolled indefinitely for the following offenses because the commission of these offenses is said to happen in a continuing and uninterrupted manner:

  • Escape from federal custody. 18 USC 751.
  • Flight to avoid prosecution. 18 USC 1073.
  • Failure to report for sentencing. 18 USC 3146(a).
  • Re-entering the United States illegally after deportation. 8 USC 1326(a).
  • Possession of counterfeit money. 18 USC 472.
  • Regardless of the offense, a person who is a fugitive from justice is not protected by any statute of limitations for that offense. 18 USC 3290.

http://www.federalcriminallawyer.us...te-of-limitations-defense-for-federal-crimes/
 
Looking for a fight on day one is the fast track for becoming a homicide victim.

When it comes to crazy and unfair sentencing I live near Jeffrey Epstein, see him jogging once in a while too, look at his wrap sheet and ask yourself "How is that man free?"
Jeffrey Epstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In March 2005, a woman contacted Palm Beach police, concerned that her 14-year-old step-daughter had been taken to Epstein’s mansion by an older girl and been paid $300 after stripping and massaging him. She had told him that she was 18 years old. She undressed but had left on her underwear. By 2011 at least 40 girls aged 13 to 17 had come forward with similar stories, some saying Epstein sexually assaulted them during the massage.

It's totally up to the judge [errr money and influence too].
 
I know what you mean. I couldn't possibly expect anyone here to fully understand the situation, and just as I would, I know everyone will take a story like this with a grain of salt and err on the side of caution, per se.

And considering most people will want to cover their loved ones in a situation like this and talk about how little DayDay would never shoot someone over a dime bag of weed, we all know it's usually bullshit. :)

That being said: I have never understood the whole legal/moralistic debacle about ages. I think MOST of the guys here have seen, usually on more than one occasion, a girl they'd love to kick-fuck the shit out of, just to learn later that they were 16.

So I don't hate on him for the JB shit whatsoever. But I also know that's what he is into: the 17-20 year old age, primarily. If he were actually into kids, we wouldn't be friends.

I personally believe there are signs of people attracted to children, whether or not people pick up on them. My friends and I know each other inside and out (not literally). Every thing we enjoy in life, every thing we lust after or look forward to. If I wasn't 100% confident in this, we wouldn't be friends, and I sure as hell wouldn't support him.

Quite some time ago he worked for a local community center in a suburb he lived in (community pool and gym and shit like that; a quite large community of probably 100,000+ people) and thus was around kids and young teens daily.

Many of our friends now were 12-15 year olds then, and thus he has been 'friends' with them for quite some time. I know, personally, probably 2 dozen guys that spent a lot of time around him/near him, and sometimes alone with him (friends little brothers, etc), and these are all of the people volunteering to speak to the court on his behalf, and the people that have been attending every court hearing thus far.

Anyways, that's the end of my rant/long ass reply. haha

I hear you. It will all come out in court anyway and you be the judge of it yourself.