Are vaccines safe?

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This thursday I was supposed to take my 5 month daughter to take the BCG vaccine. Since I have found out so much about what is happening these days, how we are getting fucked over, I do not take any media or government information on face value. After doing some research, I have found that vaccines are actually bad for you, really bad. I did not take my daughter to take the vaccine and neither will I or my family ever accept a vaccine jab.

If you have a child, you should watch this video:

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For those who thinks my previous videos were bullshit, please leave this thread now, I don't want to "waste" your time. And damhoov that means you.
 


I struggle with this decision constantly. I just saw an article in today's paper saying the the measles rate is approaching an all-time high because parents are afraid to vaccinate.

I wish we had more cold hard facts available.
 
SeoReborn said:
For those who thinks my previous videos were bullshit, please leave this thread now, I don't want to "waste" your time. And damhoov that means you.
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Just an edit. What i meant is those who thinks my previous videos were bullshit by making fast judgements without looking into it themselves should leave the thread.
 
montydad5000 said:
I struggle with this decision constantly. I just saw an article in today's paper saying the the measles rate is approaching an all-time high because parents are afraid to vaccinate.

I wish we had more cold hard facts available.
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Yes. The majority of those who have the measles virus are those who took the vaccination against it! We are better off not taking any vaccinations what so ever.
 
I am not sure about all the proof, the rumors, and all. But last time I took any virus was an MMR my university made me take.

I felt like shit for a week afterwords. Ya great medicine. And I am a fullgrown 200 pound guy. What does these things do to babies?

I wouldnt if I it was my kid. Or I would negotiate down to just the essential and non controversial.
 
Personally, I see them as a bad thing. After viewing similar videos online, I am against it.

You guys in the states want to make sure the government don't pass bills to make vaccines compulsory.
 
Sohan said:
Personally, I see them as a bad thing. After viewing similar videos online, I am against it.

You guys in the states want to make sure the government don't pass bills to make vaccines compulsory.
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In Canada (at least Ontario) certain vaccines are mandatory in order to attend public school.
 
Most people here in the states assume that the vaccinations are mandatory for school, daycare, etc. There are provisions to get exceptions for various reasons.

We don't vaccinate and we feel the peer pressure at times.
 
It's a personal decision. (One that we will be facing shortly, again!) We will do it, but we may spread them out a bit. The only thing I have a problem with is the irony of the fact that you guys that don't vaccinate RELY on those of us that do so your kids don't get sick. It's unfair.
 
Drake said:
I am not sure about all the proof, the rumors, and all. But last time I took any virus was an MMR my university made me take.

I felt like shit for a week afterwords. Ya great medicine. And I am a fullgrown 200 pound guy. What does these things do to babies?

I wouldnt if I it was my kid. Or I would negotiate down to just the essential and non controversial.
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Babies get loads of vaccines in their first year and also through out childhood. Each of these vaccines contain 40-60 times over safety levels of mercury (yep, bloodly mercury which is a poison is in vaccines). And if the child has 2 injections in a day that could be over 100.

This mercury gets stuck in the brain and other tissues. There is a strong link between childhood vaccines and autism (as well as SIDs). Wonder why there is an increasing number of autism in children these days compared to the past when supposedly our medical technologies have improved. Infact, those children that don't take vaccines at all rarely have autism.

Also vaccines infects the person with other viruses and also bring on the virus that the person is supposed to be vaccinated against in the first place.

In a study of those who take the MMR vaccine, there are a staggering amount more of those infected with measles that has been vaccinated than those who have not.

Its all about profit. More vaccinations means more profit for the pharma companies. When these vaccinations become compulsory, then its happy days!
 
turbolapp said:
It's a personal decision. (One that we will be facing shortly, again!) We will do it, but we may spread them out a bit. The only thing I have a problem with is the irony of the fact that you guys that don't vaccinate RELY on those of us that do so your kids don't get sick. It's unfair.
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You'll need to find out more about vaccinations before jumping to that conclusion.
 
Before I start, I cant listen to the vid above at the moment, but I will do later on today, I can pretty much guess what it's going to say though.


Holy shit Seo, how do you think smallpox was eradicated? Here's a clue:
Eradication of Poliomyelitis - Nature Immunology
and the same is going on with polio and other diseases at the moment like measles.

I mean what do you think about articles like this?
Measles deaths tumble by 60% worldwide - health - 19 January 2007 - New Scientist
60% decrease in deaths since 1999, in 2005 there were 345,000 deaths from measles, as compaired to 6,000,000 in the 1960 before vaccines were introduced.

Or this:
Vaccines & immunisation - bird-flu - 08 February 1992 - New Scientist

Yes vaccines aren't 100% without danger, but it's an extremly low percentage of people that have problems with them, and it realy should be thought of as a risk vs reward thing.

Also have you heard of "herd immunity"?
Herd immunity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I suggest that you read up on this in some scientific journals instead of wherever you are getting your information from. Anyone that doesn't get there kids vaccinated is being pretty irresponsible, both to the child, and others arround them.
 
SeoReborn said:
There is a strong link between childhood vaccines and autism (as well as SIDs). Wonder why there is an increasing number of autism in children these days compared to the past when supposedly our medical technologies have improved. Infact, those children that don't take vaccines at all rarely have autism.
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Autism rises despite MMR ban in Japan:

Autism rises despite MMR ban in Japan - health - 03 March 2005 - New Scientist

SeoReborn said:
In a study of those who take the MMR vaccine, there are a staggering amount more of those infected with measles that has been vaccinated than those who have not.
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Please show a reference to this.
 
BluuueJammm said:
Before I start, I cant listen to the vid above at the moment, but I will do later on today, I can pretty much guess what it's going to say though.


Holy shit Seo, how do you think smallpox was eradicated? Here's a clue:
Eradication of Poliomyelitis - Nature Immunology
and the same is going on with polio and other diseases at the moment like measles.

I mean what do you think about articles like this?
Measles deaths tumble by 60% worldwide - health - 19 January 2007 - New Scientist
60% decrease in deaths since 1999, in 2005 there were 345,000 deaths from measles, as compaired to 6,000,000 in the 1960 before vaccines were introduced.

Or this:
Vaccines & immunisation - bird-flu - 08 February 1992 - New Scientist

Yes vaccines aren't 100% without danger, but it's an extremly low percentage of people that have problems with them, and it realy should be thought of as a risk vs reward thing.

Also have you heard of "herd immunity"?
Herd immunity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Thanks BluueJammm, I'll go through those articles tonight.
 
SeoReborn said:
Cited in the video. I'll also continue looking into this.
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Sorry, I'm not going to be able to watch the vid for a few hours yet. What authority does the person in the video have? No references to this online anywhere? This is one saying exactly the opposite:
Vaccine refusals fuel measles outbreak: Scientific American

From the above article:

"Parents refusing to have their children vaccinated against measles have helped drive cases of the illness to their worst levels in a dozen years in the United States, health officials reported on Thursday.
In 2008 alone, 131 cases of measles have been reported, with 15 serious enough to be hospitalized, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported."


"More than 90 percent of the patients were not vaccinated, the CDC said, had no evidence of having been vaccinated, or were babies too young to have been vaccinated."
 
BluueJamm, I'll definately go through your presented links.

Mean while I have been looking around...

PRESS RELEASE

"An announcement was made today by the law firm of Waters & Kraus, the firm that filed the first known lawsuit alleging that a mercury preservative in children's vaccines caused neurological damage to an infant ultimately diagnosed with autism. Waters & Kraus is leading a consortium of ten firms in as many states that are actively prosecuting cases of this nature (firms listed below). Andy Waters, the lead attorney in the cases, announced that his firm is now in possession of a previously unreleased confidential report authored by Centers for Disease Control scientists which studied autism as a potential neurological injury caused by mercury in children's vaccines.

A different version of the report was made public and has been cited by the recent Institute of Medicine study as inconclusive on the issue of whether the mercury-based vaccine preservative known as thimerosal has contributed to cause a nationwide epidemic of regressive autism and other neurological disorders in small children. The confidential version of the study, however, clearly demonstrated that an exposure to more than 62.5 micrograms of mercury within the first three months of life significantly increased a child's risk of developing autism. Specifically, the study found a 2.48 times increased risk of autism - that is to say, children with the exposure were more than twice as likely to develop autism as children not exposed. "

"Waters called the report's contents and the fact that it was kept from the public as "shocking, but unfortunately not surprising, given the political influence of pharmaceutical companies and the tremendous liability they face if they are forced to compensate thousands of families for the costs of care that these children require."
 
Rasher said:
In Canada (at least Ontario) certain vaccines are mandatory in order to attend public school.
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They are not. They are "mandatory" in three provinces unless you refuse to give them to your children.

from:
1. Immunization in Canada - Canadian National Report on Immunization, 1996 - CCDR Volume 26S4 May 1997

"Unlike some countries, immunization is not mandatory in Canada; it cannot be made mandatory because of the Canadian Constitution. Only three provinces have legislation or regulations under their health-protection acts to require proof of immunization for school entrance. Ontario and New Brunswick require proof for diphtheria, tetanus, polio, measles, mumps, and rubella immunization. In Manitoba, only measles vaccination is covered. It must be emphasized that, in these three provinces, exceptions are permitted for medical or religious grounds and reasons of conscience; legislation and regulations must not be interpreted to imply compulsory immunization. Requiring proof of immunization for school entrance serves two main purposes. First, parents who have forgotten to have their children properly immunized will be reminded and can rectify the situation. Second, parents who do not wish to have their children immunized must actively refuse and sign documents attesting to that fact."
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In Canada you have the right to not vaccinate your children. Anything saying otherwise is color of law.
Vaccinating your children is like playing dice with their health - at least fully investigate both sides of the issue for yourself and make your decision.
If I were to vaccinate my children I would be very careful, do research on the different vaccines, manufacturers and batches of vaccines, and stay the fuck away from combo vaccines.
 
i'd also like to point out people who are against vaccinating their children aren't questioning the science of wether it works or not. it's not like it's superstition or people think it's against God's will or something crazy like that.
it's the mercury and other biological ingredients (look that scary shit up for yourselves) that may have other viruses in it.

This video is a conversation with a former vaccine researcher for merck admiting that they injected people with cancer viruses in vaccines.
YouTube - Merck Vaccine Chief Brings HIV/AIDS to America
 
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