Attack On Military Base In Texas By Multiple Gunmen - 7 Dead, 20 Injured

UnripeArbiter said:
I can't believe I'm about to post this... but I just agree with it too damn much.

YouTube - Fort Hood: Worse Terrorist Attack on American soil since 9/11 - Fox News Reports

I know it's Fox, but this is just something that isn't being covered adequately by other outlets. Fox has a purpose! Oh yeah, and it's Bill O' Reilly... :ducks for cover:
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I agree with what the commentator said re "I can't believe the US Army has become so political correct it allowed this guy to remain in service."

The Army dismisses soldiers for minor infractions, superfluous medical issues and seemingly trivial reasons all the time. I can't believe that his speech re Muslim soldiers in the Army didn't provide enough cause for his dismissal, especially as a commissioned officer. (Ref.: Fort Hood suspect warned of threats in ranks - Washington Post- msnbc.com)
 


It sounds like he was being watched, moreso for his ties with other terrorists than for the possibility that he himself was going to explode. You see this alot in organized crime where the investigation takes years, and the feds keep the small fish swimming so they can lead them to the big fish. Than the small fish fuck everything up.

We should do whatever it takes to get all the info we need out of him, drugs, sleep deprivation, water-boarding, etc.. etc..
 
hellblazer said:
Why do any of this? It's not like we're lacking for evidence. Let's just get rid of him. The accepted knowledge will be that this was a lone nut that snapped and not terrorism due to the joke of a fucking media we have. And there's no point in torturing for the sake of revenge, unless there's info we actually need. This happened in Texas - dude gets death penalty and that's it. This whole thing just depresses me.
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You know, I hate to agree with you but this is the most sensible thing that I have heard you speak here in ages. The media is just trying to make a martyr of this asshole -- and they do it for assholes. I mean since when do everyone else have to feel guilty and defend a terrorist because he is from a particular religion?

PS: I am more riled of this because the 1st anniversary of attack on mumbai's taj hotel is just a few days away and the only terrorist who was not killed by our forces is still alive and being tried like anyone else... when that bastard should have been killed.
 
yeah time went by pretty fast.. it happened like 8 years ago.

and lmfao at this:

Muhammad's first wife, Carol Williams, showed a letter in which he asked her to visit him on his execution day. "Carol, I miss my family for the past eight years," he wrote, referring to the time he was incarcerated. "I don't want to be missed the day that these devils murder my innocent black ass."
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Awful thing to happen. A genuinely cowardly act and the guy deserves the highest punishment possible.

peacestone said:
Why don't you morons get the fact they hate you because you are a beer drinking, pork eating atheist who watches gay porn all day?

The freedoms that you take for granted, (if you are even an American which I doubt based on your posts) are the reasons they hate you and want to kill you. .
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But I have to ask, is this actually what you believe? That they hate us because of freedom, seriously?
 
Mikesev said:
Awful thing to happen. A genuinely cowardly act and the guy deserves the highest punishment possible.



But I have to ask, is this actually what you believe? That they hate us because of freedom, seriously?
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I don't think it's inaccurate at all to say that liberal societies and the values we cherish are at odds with the ideals of radical islam.
 
death penalty is too good for someone like that. put him in gen pop and let him get his twice daily butt fucking until he dies of old age.
 
Mikesev said:
Awful thing to happen. A genuinely cowardly act and the guy deserves the highest punishment possible.



But I have to ask, is this actually what you believe? That they hate us because of freedom, seriously?
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It's really not that hard. Just listen to what they say - it's not fucking rocket science. Anybody that doesn't believe in Islam and Mohammed and all that - all of you are infidels in their twisted perspective. If you don't convert, you die. It's really that simple.

The whole 'freedom' bullshit is secondary, a product of our culture derived from our beliefs. What we believe is the primary reason we're targeted. On a positive note, at least we're all in this together. Atheists, Jews, Christians, agnostics, etc.. - finally something we can all bond over. I'm getting warm and fuzzy already.
 
hellblazer said:
It's really not that hard. Just listen to what they say - it's not fucking rocket science. Anybody that doesn't believe in Islam and Mohammed and all that - all of you are infidels in their twisted perspective. If you don't convert, you die. It's really that simple.
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^^This.

Abetted by a cultural resurgence in this: Wahhabi
 
hellblazer said:
Why do any of this? It's not like we're lacking for evidence. Let's just get rid of him. The accepted knowledge will be that this was a lone nut that snapped and not terrorism due to the joke of a fucking media we have. And there's no point in torturing for the sake of revenge, unless there's info we actually need. This happened in Texas - dude gets death penalty and that's it. This whole thing just depresses me.
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You do it because people keep going on about this guy's possible ties with other radical muslims. So what better way to get than info than torture? Uhhh, how about psychological and biochemical inducements that have proven to yield better results!
You always so keen to torture people for information with methods that are proven to be unsuitable and yield false information just as often as truthful, yet when a scientific method that actually does have a fair bit of proof behind it comes along, you reject it. I get the feeling you're more into the torture for some kind of revenge rather than any useful information it might yield.
I'm not disagreeing with you on anything here other than method, and you seem to be disagreeing out of principal and arguing that this guy either needs to be shot (yielding nothing useful) or waterboarded (yielding information that is 50/50 on it's outright falsehood).
 
HarveyJ said:
....or waterboarded (yielding information that is 50/50 on it's outright falsehood).
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Well I, for one, have no qualms with stating openly that I would waterboard this guy myself for nothing more than my own personal gratification.

It's not like any information he might have is going to bring back those he killed and I'm willing to bet his contacts with other terror groups used him as their little gopher and told him nothing of their plans.
 
HarveyJ said:
I get the feeling you're more into the torture for some kind of revenge
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Riiiight, which is why I wrote this:

hellblazer said:
And there's no point in torturing for the sake of revenge...
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HarveyJ said:
you seem to be ... arguing that this guy either needs to be shot (yielding nothing useful) or waterboarded..
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Kill him. That's what I'm arguing. If you want to argue against that because of your anti-death penalty leanings, go for it - I'm not stopping you.

But you seem to be almost confused that I don't support waterboarding/some other form of interrogation for this guy because that doesn't fit your paradigm of conservatives. Like I said, I don't really see how we could gain any mind-blowing info from this guy.

I think he acted alone. He probably got ideological support from various psychotic imams, but that's probably it. We have enough evidence to convict him, so do it. Try him, convict him, kill him. That's it. Torture for the sake of revenge is pointless to me. If that shatters your rigid perspective of me, I could really give a fuck.
 
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