Blacks and rapping

[Fiver]

Yes Rap has taken over contemporary musical tastes, because culture fucking sucks. I REALLY wish black people get back into playing instruments and stop this rap shit. And I love myself some real hip-hop too.

But implying that blacks can't play instruments is probably the stupidest / most ignorant / most racist thing I've ever heard. Probably the most soulful and most creative musicians of anytime were black and you can't fucking deny that. These guys have more musical talent than the entire WF membership x 100000 in their left nuts. White guys wouldn't be playing rock if it weren't for the Chuck Berry's and BB Kings of the world.

Basically every musician white guys worship was influenced by at least one of the above at one point of their lives. If not directly, then their influences were influenced by them. It goes both ways too, obviously blacks have been influenced by white musicians before them and etc.

I knew someone would take me 100% seriously.

Of course anyone is capable of playing an instrument and those guys you named put out some great music...but there is a grain of truth in what I'm saying about laziness and maybe it has a lot to do with our culture and the fact that creativity in all mediums is dying a slow death. Recently blacks have not felt the need or desire to learn how to play an instrument when they can simply "borrow" music from someone else or turn on a drum machine and incorporate that into a hip hop/rap song. It's a shorter way to success and money and women and everything else guys want. And even though we all like the shorter way to success, I don't have much respect for what they're doing. I relate it to the movies of today; all spectacle and no substance. You'd think that maybe guitars or keyboards would work their way into this type of music but I honestly don't think these "artists" are looking to expand on the music and make it better or take it in a new direction. 99% of them only want to make large amounts of money and don't care about making a lasting work of art.

You mentioned Prince. He was a good guitarist in his early days but I can't remember hearing any great guitar solos in his recent songs like the one in Little Red Corvette.

Call it our culture or whatever but I think black people have embraced the idea of making music without having to actually "make the music."

 

[tygoldberg]

I'm pretty sure he meant Football

Not the sport where you kick a ball with your foot named Soccer

implying this is an american forum ran by an american for merikans.

 

[-joe-]

I'm pretty sure he meant Football



Not the sport where you kick a ball with your foot named Soccer

Dear Tobias Funke,

Please refer to the sport of "handegg" as "American Football" from now on. We came up with the name football. Coming up with that name was a brilliant achievement that took years and years of thinking on our part.

Thank you.

 

[momchil9]

Dear Tobias Funke,

Please refer to the sport of "handegg" as "American Football" from now on. We came up with the name football. Coming up with that name was a brilliant achievement that took years and years of thinking on our part.

Thank you.

I wonder how will they react if someone decides to call some building in Asia "the white house" or some simple tower "the statue of liberty", which is not even yours to begin with.

You have to learn that you can't just take the name of something and put it on something yours. Your country might be the leading power in the world for the last 50 years, but that isn't even a blink in the grand scheme.

RESPECT THE HISTORY, YOU DAMN MERIKANS!

 

[seous]

That feel when your entire family is comprised of ignorant black people.

That feel when other people automatically associate the majority (or all black people in some cases) as ignorant, loud, rapping niggers.

feelsblackman.

 

[Moxie]

I knew someone would take me 100% seriously.

Of course anyone is capable of playing an instrument and those guys you named put out some great music...but there is a grain of truth in what I'm saying about laziness and maybe it has a lot to do with our culture and the fact that creativity in all mediums is dying a slow death. Recently blacks have not felt the need or desire to learn how to play an instrument when they can simply "borrow" music from someone else or turn on a drum machine and incorporate that into a hip hop/rap song. It's a shorter way to success and money and women and everything else guys want. And even though we all like the shorter way to success, I don't have much respect for what they're doing. I relate it to the movies of today; all spectacle and no substance. You'd think that maybe guitars or keyboards would work their way into this type of music but I honestly don't think these "artists" are looking to expand on the music and make it better or take it in a new direction. 99% of them only want to make large amounts of money and don't care about making a lasting work of art.

You mentioned Prince. He was a good guitarist in his early days but I can't remember hearing any great guitar solos in his recent songs like the one in Little Red Corvette.

Call it our culture or whatever but I think black people have embraced the idea of making music without having to actually "make the music."

If you look around the sites where unsigned artists promote their electronic-based music, you will see that the majority are actually white people. So whatever you are saying would seem to apply to all races.

Many black people play in school marching bands, but the music labels aren't interested in finding the next great trumpet player. There may be more people than ever playing jazz, blues, classical, or rockabilly music, but again for the most part, the music labels aren't going to sign those people.

You mentioned Lil Wayne. Well, he does play guitar and his guitar playing might not be good, but it's at least obvious that he spent more than an hour trying to learn it. Even so though, his concerts would arguably be better if he didn't touch a guitar.

Frank Sinatra didn't write any songs or play an instrument. It possibly would have been a waste of time for him to try to do so and may have hurt his product. Did I just compare Sinatra and Lil Wayne? Feel free to punch me in the face.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ5dv9EwRtg&]Kirk Hammett Vs Lil Wayne - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JohnCJackson]

Not to sound racist but it's because they are too lazy to learn how to play an actual instrument.

So wouldn't that apply to a lot of white singers who don't play instruments and song-writers who don't perform music at all?

What about screen writers, are they too lazy to act?

 

[Tobias Funke]

Dear Tobias Funke,

Please refer to the sport of "handegg" as "American Football" from now on. We came up with the name football. Coming up with that name was a brilliant achievement that took years and years of thinking on our part.

Thank you.

I wonder how will they react if someone decides to call some building in Asia "the white house" or some simple tower "the statue of liberty", which is not even yours to begin with.

You have to learn that you can't just take the name of something and put it on something yours. Your country might be the leading power in the world for the last 50 years, but that isn't even a blink in the grand scheme.

RESPECT THE HISTORY, YOU DAMN MERIKANS!

I think you guys misinterpreted my post. I was making a joke about Americans and Canadians calling Football soccer.

 

[momchil9]

I think you guys misinterpreted my post. I was making a joke about Americans and Canadians calling Football soccer.

I think, you are right, lol.

 

[Napolean]

It may be that 95% of the best rappers are black, but I'm more curious about why fewer blacks like rock music than whites like rap music.

Are we talking about rock music before the 90's ruined it or are we ignoring that? Because I'm curious why anybody likes rock music today.

 

[-joe-]

I think you guys misinterpreted my post. I was making a joke about Americans and Canadians calling Football soccer.

whoops.

 

[NetMillion]

Because a lot more blacks psychologically identify with the genre (because black people dominate it) than white people, therefore by statistics you will have a lot more black rappers than white. Maybe in the future this will even out more in the future.

In general, I like black rappers a lot more than white rappers. It's hard for white guys to have the same black ass white teeth shootin mother fuckers sellin drugs swervin ferraris fuckin models gangster rap appeal I look for in rap music.

 

[CitizenSmif]

^ That's pretty much what I came here to say. There's lots of white rappers but the good ones generally don't have the same content as black people. There's something that suits black peoples voices/personas that fits into the whole 'gangster hiphop' scene, allowing them to not really have an artistic value but still get away with it. I.E - if anyone white ever tried rapping the way Prodigy from Mobb Deep does he's not going to get very far.

Lil Wayne is a perfect example, hes completely fucking shit at rapping but has that voice, beats and look which appeals to the mainstream.

Check out these for a contrasting style

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uRWSLIutHQ]Re: Wordsmith Diss to Chester P - Chester P "The Bitches" - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjeBmYd_nRM]Jehst - Alcoholic Author - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Rexibit]

Did anyone else open this thread expecting to see blacks raping everyone up in hurr?

 

[music4mic]

Did anyone else open this thread expecting to see blacks raping everyone up in hurr?

I think it's safe to say there was a moderate amount of disappointment upon realizing this was a rap not rape thread:

 

[Grindstone]

Dear Tobias Funke,

Please refer to the sport of "handegg" as "American Football" from now on. We came up with the name football. Coming up with that name was a brilliant achievement that took years and years of thinking on our part.

Thank you.

I wonder how will they react if someone decides to call some building in Asia "the white house" or some simple tower "the statue of liberty", which is not even yours to begin with.

You have to learn that you can't just take the name of something and put it on something yours. Your country might be the leading power in the world for the last 50 years, but that isn't even a blink in the grand scheme.

RESPECT THE HISTORY, YOU DAMN MERIKANS!

Want a cup of tea?

Sure, no problem. Give me a bit to go FISH IT OUT OF THAT FUCKING HARBOUR WE THREW IT INTO 200+ YEARS AGO WHILE WE WERE THROWING OFF THE YOKE OF YOUR OPPRESSIVE MONARCHY.

If you wanted us to call things your words, your ancestors should have been less bitch made.

#justsaying

 

[momchil9]

Want a cup of tea?

Sure, no problem. Give me a bit to go FISH IT OUT OF THAT FUCKING HARBOUR WE THREW IT INTO 200+ YEARS AGO WHILE WE WERE THROWING OFF THE YOKE OF YOUR OPPRESSIVE MONARCHY.

If you wanted us to call things your words, your ancestors should have been less bitch made.

#justsaying

makes no sense

you just mad, because it's a stupid thing to do and people finally call you out for it.

#justsaying

 

[Rexibit]

Want a cup of tea?

Sure, no problem. Give me a bit to go FISH IT OUT OF THAT FUCKING HARBOUR WE THREW IT INTO 200+ YEARS AGO WHILE WE WERE THROWING OFF THE YOKE OF YOUR OPPRESSIVE MONARCHY.

If you wanted us to call things your words, your ancestors should have been less bitch made.

#justsaying

Those people that dumped the tea were smugglers that ran tea up the coasts and got pissed when the British stopped their profits because the legal tea was actually much cheaper than they could sell it for after they smuggled tea in.

#justsaying

 

[analogue]

I knew someone would take me 100% seriously.

Of course anyone is capable of playing an instrument and those guys you named put out some great music...but there is a grain of truth in what I'm saying about laziness and maybe it has a lot to do with our culture and the fact that creativity in all mediums is dying a slow death. Recently blacks have not felt the need or desire to learn how to play an instrument when they can simply "borrow" music from someone else or turn on a drum machine and incorporate that into a hip hop/rap song. It's a shorter way to success and money and women and everything else guys want. And even though we all like the shorter way to success, I don't have much respect for what they're doing. I relate it to the movies of today; all spectacle and no substance. You'd think that maybe guitars or keyboards would work their way into this type of music but I honestly don't think these "artists" are looking to expand on the music and make it better or take it in a new direction. 99% of them only want to make large amounts of money and don't care about making a lasting work of art.

You mentioned Prince. He was a good guitarist in his early days but I can't remember hearing any great guitar solos in his recent songs like the one in Little Red Corvette.

Call it our culture or whatever but I think black people have embraced the idea of making music without having to actually "make the music."

I have a feeling you are an old white male without a real sense of contemporary culture or an appropriate historical perspective when it comes to American popular culture. The history of American popular music IS the story of "Black" music. Jazz, Rock and Roll, House music (now known as EDM), and hip hop all started as black music and was later adopted, appropriated, and in some cases stolen by white people. The "borrowing" you speak of has existed for many generation such as white artists "covering" black music in the 50's without paying any royalties to the original artists or white record label owners stealing songwriting credits from the original writers. What could be lazier than that? Those poor lazy white people of the 50's and early 60's did a disservice to their race.

Today's culture of Hip hop and House music was started by people who could not afford musical instruments and in the mid to late 80's music education funding was cut drastically so no readily available outlet to come across musical instruments. So as always creativity and ingenuity won out and new forms of music were created. I happen to agree with you that a lot of today's music is crap but to make that argument along racial lines is absurd and ignorant. There are plenty of black artists today who use instruments: (see The Roots or D'angelo) and plenty of white artist who sample (Skrillex, Deadmau5, and anyone else in EDM) and it all makes for an interesting and diverse musical landscape. Welcome to the new millennium!!!