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jenzkc said:
I've taken 2g phenibut 2-3x a week (with a few breaks of a month or two) for over 2 years without any problems. love the stuff. take a break every few days and there's no problem. never noticed any "withdrawal". that person must have been taking the whole bottle at a time.
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Really?

Ok this brings me to another point I wanted to mention.

Every time a phenibut discussion comes up online there always seems to be two "camps."

One camp talks about using large doses, like how you mentioned 2g doses. I've even seen reports of people saying the used 3-5g a day and "didn't feel anything."

The other camp says they never went above 750mg or so, and if they did they got really sick.

So I wonder if there are some massive quality control issues with Phenibut.

The only other correlation I've noticed is that the people who take the high doses usually say they're using powder and mixing it in a drink, and the people who take the low doses are using pills. Did you use powder or pills?

It's really weird. I wonder why it's like that. I would assume all phenibut is the same.
 


conv3rsion said:
its closer to adderall than caffeine. that said, adderall is 100x better but since this is "milder" there are no noticeable side effects
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At this point, I think it's right in the middle of the two. I've not noticed any increased productivity though it definitely clears my head a bit. The past 2 days I've awaken after only 4 hours of sleep and both days I've felt better than I have in months. I'm normally not a morning person at all.

So far, the effects are not what I'd hoped for but there is something interesting about this stuff ... jury is still out. Regardless of what side benefits piracetam has, I still crave an adderall clone.
 
Yesterday was my first (full) day taking piracetam and choline. So far it seems to be worthwhile. Placebo effect possibly but I did get some paperwork done at work yesterday that I had been putting off for months and finally grasped the concept of troubleshooting a circuit that had been giving me fits.

Taking about a teaspoon of each right now, may mess with the dosage as things progress - whoever said to use grapefruit juice is my hero, if you get the yellow bitter juice you can hardly taste a thing, if you didn't know it was in the juice you would probably think the juice had a bit more "bite" than normal.

How's everyone else coming along?
 
For people who go to the gym, how does piracetem affect your cardio/weights. More motivation to lift more?

And do you get the same crash you get from caffeine. I find coffee shocking, you get a great energy boost but get actually not nothing done cos you're so jittery, then a few hours later you're depressed
 
grapefruit juice?

i know there are some (Rx) drugs you're not supposed to mix with grapefruit juice. any idea if Piracetam is in this same group? (i know its not rx).
 
Can't believe so many of you have gone for the powder when there are tablet forms on the market. Fuck that, so much hassle and it (supposedly) tastes like shit.
 
erect said:
At this point, I think it's right in the middle of the two. I've not noticed any increased productivity though it definitely clears my head a bit. The past 2 days I've awaken after only 4 hours of sleep and both days I've felt better than I have in months. I'm normally not a morning person at all.

So far, the effects are not what I'd hoped for but there is something interesting about this stuff ... jury is still out. Regardless of what side benefits piracetam has, I still crave an adderall clone.
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you nailed it. i'm not more productive with piracetam, i actually feel a little slower but a little more clear. I can't really explain it, its interesting, and fairly mild (even with high dosage). I feel like it might be helping my memory, and slowing down my ADD, but its defintely not near adderall for getting shit done.
 
I've stopped taking the piracetam + choline for now mainly because I'm not comfortable with the 1 man show @ 1fast400. And I haven't found a brand that I'm willing to trust for now.

My current stack still keeps my clear headed and productive:
Vinpocetine - 5mg 3x per day
Phosphatidlyserine - 500mg complex 3x per day
DMAE - 350mg 2x per day
Ginkgo - 120mg 2x per day
Huperzine A - 50mcg 3x per day
+ Panax Ginseng (500mg) and Gotu Kola (750mg) each 3x per day for energy.

Also, I'm taking some Kava Kava (in 1g doses) every once in a while for a great relaxed feeling.
 
Provigil

After reading through this thread I am more interested in Provigil, has anyone found a place to buy this in the US ?
 
harrymouni said:
For people who go to the gym, how does piracetem affect your cardio/weights. More motivation to lift more?

And do you get the same crash you get from caffeine. I find coffee shocking, you get a great energy boost but get actually not nothing done cos you're so jittery, then a few hours later you're depressed
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doesn't affect gym performance.
 
metalhead said:
Really?

Ok this brings me to another point I wanted to mention.

Every time a phenibut discussion comes up online there always seems to be two "camps."

One camp talks about using large doses, like how you mentioned 2g doses. I've even seen reports of people saying the used 3-5g a day and "didn't feel anything."

The other camp says they never went above 750mg or so, and if they did they got really sick.

So I wonder if there are some massive quality control issues with Phenibut.

The only other correlation I've noticed is that the people who take the high doses usually say they're using powder and mixing it in a drink, and the people who take the low doses are using pills. Did you use powder or pills?

It's really weird. I wonder why it's like that. I would assume all phenibut is the same.
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I don't understand how some people are unaffected by phenibut. I wouldn't be able to ignore the effect. Considering that not everyone is affected by SSRIs which operate on serotonin receptors, perhaps not everone is affected by substances which operate on GABA receptors (phenibut).

Those who say they got "sick" if they went above ~750mg are probably just sensitive to the effects. It can make you kind of "dizzy", but I find that effect more pleasurable than disturbing.

I have used both the powder and pills. The powder is cheaper, so I use that, but it also tastes god awful and is 10x more bitter than piracetam. Haven't noticed a difference in efficacy between either.

I said that I didn't have any anxiety after discontinuing use, but I did notice a bit today after not using it for a couple days. It's not really that bad, but maybe I would think it was worse if I was around people all day. That 'withdrawal/anxiety' effect goes away after a day or so though.

A few weeks ago on BBC there was a news article about this Dr. claiming to have cured his own alcoholism with the drug "Baclofen". Phenibut is said to have the same effect as Baclofen, so maybe there is some use for it there. The new "cure alcoholism" offer/supplement!
 
Speaking of this subject, were any of you in AM marketing prescription drugs before the FDA / Google started cracking down? The good 'ol days....
 
jenzkc said:
A few weeks ago on BBC there was a news article about this Dr. claiming to have cured his own alcoholism with the drug "Baclofen".
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Man I hate that word 'alcoholism'. What's with the new trend of everyone saying that having an addiction to alcohol is a disease? I don't understand it at all.

(not saying you are one of these people)
 
They say they have a disease so they can feel like it's not their fault they became dependent on getting drunk. It's like calling yourself big-boned instead of fat.
 
So, funny thing. I'm sick with a nasty head/chest cold so I sent the girl down to the little Farmacia here in our urbanization to stock up on cold meds, some fish oil and vitamins. I told her to check and see if they had any Piracetam, Nootropil as it's called, and low and behold the pharmacist that runs the joint said, "for memory?", and went into the back and brought out the goods.

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Exactly like this, same box, same brand, but in Spanish and only 20 caps. So that is 16 grams and the cost was €2.80.

I reckon that would be 4 days worth at 5 grams a day... say 3 caps in the am, 2 in the afternoon? How does that sound to you guys taking this stuff? Give it a 4 day test run when I am better here to see how it goes?
 
My first day on the stuff today, I felt a hell of a lot more awake after I had the second one but that could be completely unrelated. I have 60x1200mg so I'm going to have 2 a day for a month and see how it goes, obviously I'll stop if I don't feel anything after the first week.
 
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