Brandon Raub detained over Facebook posts



music4mic said:
Call me old fashioned, I still believe rights come from something greater than a sheet of paper and therefore cannot be revoked.
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Yeah..except they can be revoked, if you define a right as something that you must actually exercise to confirm that you actually have it.

Commit a felony, can't own a gun or vote. Right is actually a privilege conditional on your criminal history.

Say some shit Uncle Sam doesn't like, get shot or thrown in jail. Right is actually a privilege conditional on the nature of the ideas you express.

Whistleblower on a bureaucrat or corporate schnozz? Get framed, no due process, go directly to jail. Right is actually a privilege conditional on the mere circumstances of your profession and your moral compass.

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music4mic said:
I can be deprived by man, law, etc., but I don't believe the right can be revoked. I believe there is a firm difference.
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I get what you're saying but what good is a right if you can't do anything with it?
 
Jon said:
For all we know he could have a certain clearance level at the Pentagon, whether current or prior that could be considered a breach by that "post" (looks more like a call to action -- he should know better). Hope he gets the help he needs, and that it wasn't over just one post, but if it was, you can't assume he was just some random low ranking or former Marine, and that this is what happens to everyone. Because that's not how it works. Regardless of what Alex Jones claims.

Personally, I like CFR. They aren't in control like people assume or allege. Although, they do have a tremendous amount of influence, but more or less because they've earned it over the years.

Justsayin...
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Just because you guys control the central banks, doesn't mean you have to throw this guy in jail for calling you out on your shit. Now a "re-education" camp is something we the people can probably get behind. Actually, TMZ is on right now so nevermind it's all good.

music4mic said:
That's the million dollar question I suppose, but I would say that understanding that we have these rights is justification to fight being deprived of them.
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I see where you're coming from. I would agree, but I gots kids maing, can't be thrown in jail for my forum posts.
 
Jon said:
For all we know he could have a certain clearance level at the Pentagon, whether current or prior that could be considered a breach by that "post" (looks more like a call to action -- he should know better). Hope he gets the help he needs, and that it wasn't over just one post, but if it was, you can't assume he was just some random low ranking or former Marine, and that this is what happens to everyone. Because that's not how it works. Regardless of what Alex Jones claims.

Personally, I like CFR. They aren't in control like people assume or allege. Although, they do have a tremendous amount of influence, but more or less because they've earned it over the years.

Justsayin...
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Err... so what if he was a high level government employee? He should not be sent to a mental institution for what he did. If he breached a contract, there are ways to deal with that; not sending him to a psych ward. I believe military call it 'dishonorable discharge' + 'possible court marshal'. I can't believe you justified the treatment he is receiving.

And in terms of rights; I have the right to freedom of though. No matter WHAT you do to me; you can't control what goes on between my ears... yet.
 
contract said:
What is all the fuss about? If you are in the military, you are set to a rule in which you cannot speak out against the government.

http://cape.army.mil/repository/materials/WhenSoldiersSpeakOut.pdf

Is anyone even military in here?

It's almost expected for something like this to happen, not surprising..

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Not if the government is committing crimes or asking you to commit crimes. You are exempt in those instances and those were his assertions so un-/thread.
 
I read about this earlier. I havent done research yet, but if this guy hasnt fullfilled his mandatory 8 years (even 4 years active duty and honorably discharged still requires additional 4 years inactive Ready Reserve) then he is still technically government property. That's the only justification that can be made for an otherwise outrageous detention.
 
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greenleaves said:
Err... so what if he was a high level government employee? He should not be sent to a mental institution for what he did. If he breached a contract, there are ways to deal with that; not sending him to a psych ward. I believe military call it 'dishonorable discharge' + 'possible court marshal'. I can't believe you justified the treatment he is receiving.

And in terms of rights; I have the right to freedom of though. No matter WHAT you do to me; you can't control what goes on between my ears... yet.
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I'm just a neutral bystander stating an opinion. Same as you and everyone else not privy to all of the facts and details about it.

What I say is my take on it. Does not mean it is right or wrong, and shouldn't be taken as it on this topic. Don't get all afraid or astonished, it will be a waste of your time and energy.

Its amusing to me that people think they are so strong and have full control over their minds and thoughts. You have some control, but I can assure you, its not total control. There are levels of depth in which control on people work. Without getting too far into it, if you have purchased something you've seen or recognized from TV or any advertisements, whether you believe me or not, you have been controlled in a very light way, to purchase that item/brand, over others, and you don't even realize it. When you associate yourself with one party specifically, and vote that way (for example, the upcoming presidential elections), your mind has been persuaded and controlled.

You're just assuming that because there isn't a voice thumping along in your head saying "CHOOSE RED NOW SLAVE!" that you are in full control. I promise you. You are not.

Humans are far from perfect. But one thing they are great at, is being controlled, manipulated, persuaded and used by other humans, far more easily than any would expect. If you've got active brain activity, then chances are incredibly high, that you can be controlled, manipulated, and persuaded quickly. The larger the group of humans are, the easier they become to control. Passively or aggressively alike. That is just how weak minded we are. So don't think that just because you THINK you are strong, that you are. Because... you aren't.

I feel bad that this Marine ended up in a mental institution. Its a shame. The ROI from the amount of time and effort spent on training him, is an overall loss. But he chose to project what he thought was the right thing to do, but very likely, in the wrong direction, to the wrong audience, and more so, at the wrong place and time too.

The world is a chaotic place. Sometimes what we think is right, is actually wrong, and vice versa. That's just how things work. Welcome to the suck?
 
Hasn't Alex Jones been saying similar things for years now? I think he's got a much wider audience too than just his Facebook account. The publicity around this incident has probably been more detrimental, unless of course that was the plan in the first place or those responsible for the decision just don't care.

I don't think anyone gets arrested here in the UK for speaking out against the government then again, our government isn't trying to erase our rights in such a blatant fashion.
 
Re: Jon's post: I often wonder as someone about to turn 30... Has it always been like this or am I just now seeing thought the flag waving and the 'land of the free' propaganda.

I used to laugh at movie thrillers and books that made the government out to be the bad guy but ... Fuck... Looks like 1984 was only 30 years late.
 
Jon said:
I'm just a neutral bystander stating an opinion. Same as you and everyone else not privy to all of the facts and details about it.

What I say is my take on it. Does not mean it is right or wrong, and shouldn't be taken as it on this topic. Don't get all afraid or astonished, it will be a waste of your time and energy.

Its amusing to me that people think they are so strong and have full control over their minds and thoughts. You have some control, but I can assure you, its not total control. There are levels of depth in which control on people work. Without getting too far into it, if you have purchased something you've seen or recognized from TV or any advertisements
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First let me say that what you are saying is well known, or should be, in a forum full of marketing people. Now:

I don't watch TV. I don't read newspapers (except a little bit of reuters/aljazeera/bbcworld). I don't read magazines. I don't watch Hollywood movies. I don't read trash literature.

I don't associate myself to any party; not liberal, conservative, libertarian, socialist, anarchist or other. I have had the chance to vote many times; and only took it twice because mostly I believe elections to be like most social restraints; control mechanisms for the elites. Not very different from the ways of elites in ancient Greek, Egypt, Rome, etc.

I don't have facebook, twitter, linkedin, etc. I don't upload my pics anywhere.

I subject myself to very little indoctrination; and I was home schooled + brought up by bohemian free-thinking parents.

I recognize I can easily fall for indoctrination; just like everyone can.

But that is besides the point. I own my thoughts. Saying I don't because I can be manipulated into thinking something else is like saying you don't own your stuff because you could be manipulated into giving them up. It is a weak argument.

You can try to manipulate my thoughts; but in the end; you DON'T know what the FUCK I'm thinking unless I choose to express it to you. And you can TRY to manipulate me mentally; it doesn't mean it will work the way you thought.

Manipulation masses of people is a relatively accurate science because people herd; manipulating individuals (who aren't heavily indoctrinated) isn't as precise of a science because of the intrinsic complexity of life. Even if you know a TON about me; there are many small aspects of life that influence my behavior.

The day you have a machine to read my thoughts with a great degree of accuracy and detail; then I stop owning them. Until then; I own my thoughts. You can put me in jail, torture me, kill me. But what happens between my ears is mine.

Jon said:
, whether you believe me or not, you have been controlled in a very light way, to purchase that item/brand, over others, and you don't even realize it. When you associate yourself with one party specifically, and vote that way (for example, the upcoming presidential elections), your mind has been persuaded and controlled.

You're just assuming that because there isn't a voice thumping along in your head saying "CHOOSE RED NOW SLAVE!" that you are in full control. I promise you. You are not.

Humans are far from perfect. But one thing they are great at, is being controlled, manipulated, persuaded and used by other humans, far more easily than any would expect. If you've got active brain activity, then chances are incredibly high, that you can be controlled, manipulated, and persuaded quickly. The larger the group of humans are, the easier they become to control. Passively or aggressively alike. That is just how weak minded we are. So don't think that just because you THINK you are strong, that you are. Because... you aren't.
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I never said I was strong. That is a straw man argument. If you knew me; and knew how I stayed away from propaganda; you'd know I recognize it's potential to affect even people who can recognize it as such.

Jon said:
I feel bad that this Marine ended up in a mental institution. Its a shame. The ROI from the amount of time and effort spent on training him, is an overall loss. But he chose to project what he thought was the right thing to do, but very likely, in the wrong direction, to the wrong audience, and more so, at the wrong place and time too.
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So you feel bad for him but you don't think that what is happening is a continued degradation of a once great country? That it is 'ok' for what happened to happen? Because your original post basically justified what happened to him as 'reasonable'. In fact; saying 'this is military stuff' is an extremely indoctrinated response; especially given the fact that you know this is NOT what military should do (discharge/court marshal)

Jon said:
The world is a chaotic place. Sometimes what we think is right, is actually wrong, and vice versa. That's just how things work. Welcome to the suck?
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I know this. So what? Your saying knowing something is such = I should become apathetic to it? Not a chance. I hate because I love. Apathy is the opposite of love; and I hope to never be on that side. I hope my hate/love doesn't drive me to obssession like Lukep and others, but... I hope to never say 'well... he is military we don't know'. Fuck that; no matter what he did; putting him in a mental institution for political speech is WRONG, no matter what. And there was a time in the US when the AUTHORITIES as a coalition did not do this (yes isolated authorities did; but not in a centralized, systematic way)

Delaney said:
Hasn't Alex Jones been saying similar things for years now? I think he's got a much wider audience too than just his Facebook account. The publicity around this incident has probably been more detrimental, unless of course that was the plan in the first place or those responsible for the decision just don't care.

I don't think anyone gets arrested here in the UK for speaking out against the government then again, our government isn't trying to erase our rights in such a blatant fashion.
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#1 Alex Jones helps the gov by making conspiracy theorist seem insane. #2 He is high profile. But mainly #1
 
Do you honestly expect me to read all that greenleaves?

Edit: I just did, and I am better off for it:

But that is besides the point. I own my thoughts. Saying I don't because I can be manipulated into thinking something else is like saying you don't own your stuff because you could be manipulated into giving them up. It is a weak argument.
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There has to be more to this than what's being reported. Loads of ex-military talk shit about the government, so why did this guy get singled out? Maybe was on missions, and knows some things that the govt would prefer not to become mainstream knowledge, or something to that effect.
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX1EvM6XksM]Kidnapped Marine vet Brandon Raub speaks out from psych ward - YouTube[/ame]


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMo6BrDbDQE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMo6BrDbDQE[/ame]

^^^2nd half of that shows what Raub said... Yeah, he's a bit kookie. (Bush family has a secret castle in Colorado where they rape young boys.. D'oh!)

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIlL1pq1Fhc]Kidnapped Marine's Mom blows off MSM for AVTM exclusive - YouTube[/ame]
 
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