Brandon Raub detained over Facebook posts



Marines get some fucking insane ideas. Over the last 2 years, the big thing was to post a video on YouTube asking [insert celebrity name] to the Marine Corps Ball. A few buddies of mine, who had about a month left and would be attending their last ball, posted a video asking Casey Anthony. They related things like, "We have a lot in common. I hate kids, too." It was epic.

By the time the military found out, the two guys had transferred over to the civilian division, middle fingers in the air. Not so fast though. DoD has that video yanked quick, pulled those guys back in, NJP'd (non-judicial punishment), and sent back out, this time with other-than-honorable discharges.

This happens a lot, actually.

And the reason this is lawful is because the contracts us first-timers sign are typically for 4 to 6 years of active duty service (unless you're a reservist right off the bat). But no matter your mandatory active duty time, every Marine is required 8 years of total service. This means when I get my DD-214 in October (honorable discharge), I'll be growing my beard, smoking my J (not really), but still obligated under the UCMJ (uniformed code of military justice - it's our version of "our rights") until I complete my additional 4 years of inactive ready reserve (IRR), fulfilling a total of 8 mandatory years, per the sweet, sexy dotted line I signed.

According to the UCMJ (and if you guys really want, I'll pull up the articles, but I really don't want to - this shit is common knowledge in the Corps), it's illegal to badmouth POTUS and while we can speak (carefully) our political opinion in public (or on television, online, etc) we can't endorse our opinion with our military service. Mind you, this is applicable only for active/reservists on contract or retirees receiving pension.

I'm not saying it's right. I think it's bullshit. But it's not unconstitutional, legally.
 
greenleaves said:
First let me say that what you are saying is well known, or should be, in a forum full of marketing people. Now:

I don't watch TV. I don't read newspapers (except a little bit of reuters/aljazeera/bbcworld). I don't read magazines. I don't watch Hollywood movies. I don't read trash literature.

I don't associate myself to any party; not liberal, conservative, libertarian, socialist, anarchist or other. I have had the chance to vote many times; and only took it twice because mostly I believe elections to be like most social restraints; control mechanisms for the elites. Not very different from the ways of elites in ancient Greek, Egypt, Rome, etc.

I don't have facebook, twitter, linkedin, etc. I don't upload my pics anywhere.

I subject myself to very little indoctrination; and I was home schooled + brought up by bohemian free-thinking parents.

I recognize I can easily fall for indoctrination; just like everyone can.

But that is besides the point. I own my thoughts. Saying I don't because I can be manipulated into thinking something else is like saying you don't own your stuff because you could be manipulated into giving them up. It is a weak argument.

You can try to manipulate my thoughts; but in the end; you DON'T know what the FUCK I'm thinking unless I choose to express it to you. And you can TRY to manipulate me mentally; it doesn't mean it will work the way you thought.

Manipulation masses of people is a relatively accurate science because people herd; manipulating individuals (who aren't heavily indoctrinated) isn't as precise of a science because of the intrinsic complexity of life. Even if you know a TON about me; there are many small aspects of life that influence my behavior.

The day you have a machine to read my thoughts with a great degree of accuracy and detail; then I stop owning them. Until then; I own my thoughts. You can put me in jail, torture me, kill me. But what happens between my ears is mine.



I never said I was strong. That is a straw man argument. If you knew me; and knew how I stayed away from propaganda; you'd know I recognize it's potential to affect even people who can recognize it as such.



So you feel bad for him but you don't think that what is happening is a continued degradation of a once great country? That it is 'ok' for what happened to happen? Because your original post basically justified what happened to him as 'reasonable'. In fact; saying 'this is military stuff' is an extremely indoctrinated response; especially given the fact that you know this is NOT what military should do (discharge/court marshal)



I know this. So what? Your saying knowing something is such = I should become apathetic to it? Not a chance. I hate because I love. Apathy is the opposite of love; and I hope to never be on that side. I hope my hate/love doesn't drive me to obssession like Lukep and others, but... I hope to never say 'well... he is military we don't know'. Fuck that; no matter what he did; putting him in a mental institution for political speech is WRONG, no matter what. And there was a time in the US when the AUTHORITIES as a coalition did not do this (yes isolated authorities did; but not in a centralized, systematic way)



#1 Alex Jones helps the gov by making conspiracy theorist seem insane. #2 He is high profile. But mainly #1
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You responded. I win.

May as well give in and use Twitter, Facebook, read newspapers, watch movies, etc... because this way you can enjoy it, rather than avoid it. :)
 
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Oh, and:

I believe a lot of military members have enough grief, have seen enough evidence, and while not the brightest, have developed a strange sense of "What-teh-fuck"-ness from seeing first-hand operations get spun like a fucking ferris wheel in the media that ... we, paired with the leverage of the internet, are capable of the next revolution. And I truly think the government feels threatened by the military its created thus the interior political "OMGz" issues such as openly-gay service and "women in the infantry". These are hot button topics that sap any give-a-shit most military members initially had.
 
Jon said:
I'm just a neutral bystander stating an opinion. Same as you and everyone else not privy to all of the facts and details about it.

What I say is my take on it. Does not mean it is right or wrong, and shouldn't be taken as it on this topic. Don't get all afraid or astonished, it will be a waste of your time and energy.

Its amusing to me that people think they are so strong and have full control over their minds and thoughts. You have some control, but I can assure you, its not total control. There are levels of depth in which control on people work. Without getting too far into it, if you have purchased something you've seen or recognized from TV or any advertisements, whether you believe me or not, you have been controlled in a very light way, to purchase that item/brand, over others, and you don't even realize it. When you associate yourself with one party specifically, and vote that way (for example, the upcoming presidential elections), your mind has been persuaded and controlled.

You're just assuming that because there isn't a voice thumping along in your head saying "CHOOSE RED NOW SLAVE!" that you are in full control. I promise you. You are not.

Humans are far from perfect. But one thing they are great at, is being controlled, manipulated, persuaded and used by other humans, far more easily than any would expect. If you've got active brain activity, then chances are incredibly high, that you can be controlled, manipulated, and persuaded quickly. The larger the group of humans are, the easier they become to control. Passively or aggressively alike. That is just how weak minded we are. So don't think that just because you THINK you are strong, that you are. Because... you aren't.

I feel bad that this Marine ended up in a mental institution. Its a shame. The ROI from the amount of time and effort spent on training him, is an overall loss. But he chose to project what he thought was the right thing to do, but very likely, in the wrong direction, to the wrong audience, and more so, at the wrong place and time too.

The world is a chaotic place. Sometimes what we think is right, is actually wrong, and vice versa. That's just how things work. Welcome to the suck?
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I looked up a blog post of yours 6 months ago w/ archive.org from your aojon blog and you were talking about "discovering" these books and papers about persuasion and propaganda. You also said that you had tested some of the methods on people and that they worked. I don't care if you were exaggerating or not but I'm intrigued and hungry for knowledge and love books.

You actually listed one of the books I forget who it was written by but he was the grandaddy of propaganda and I think the book might have actually been called propaganda.

Either way, someone asked you what the other books and papers were called and you never answered. If you could list the books/papers or PM them to me I would greatly appreciate it.

Sorry to derail the thread.
 
lukep said:
^^^2nd half of that shows what Raub said... Yeah, he's a bit kookie. (Bush family has a secret castle in Colorado where they rape young boys.. D'oh!)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIlL1pq1Fhc
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I got bored one day and looked into that, because I was trying to debunk some other crazy ass theory that was tied to it. There were some connections to a farm (not a castle) in Colorado. I gotta admit I was a little uncomfortable with what I found.

I won't go too deep into it because as a father that shit is really depressing. Here are some search terms for you if you ever want to see what I'm talking about:


  • North Fox Islands (child porn ring)
  • Brother Paul's Children's Mission
  • Adam Starchild (author, ancap and the guy that set up the charities used to lure children in)
  • The unsolved Oakland County Child Killer case from 1976-77 and its connection to Penn State
  • The Second Mile charity set up by Jerry Sandusky in 1977 (also with the help of Stachild)
  • Jeff Gannon (white press corps and male escort) and Johnny Gosch (missing Iowa boy)
  • Franklin Credit Union in Omaha Cover-up and Lawrence King also connected to Bush
  • Boys Town scandal also in Omaha and the connection to Lawrence King
  • Male escorts brought to White House by Craig Spence for George Bush on numerous occasions

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This guy Lt. Colonel Michael Aquino who was behind it all. He worked specifically on mind control and liked to use underage prostitutes and abducted children as sex slaves for powerful people in order to compromise them. No matter how rich or powerul you are, once you've been videotaped fucking a 12 year old missing child from Iowa you will do whatever the fuck they want you to do.

I don't know if "They" is the CIA, or Jon's people or what, but whoever it is they have been using abducted kids since at least the mid 70's to compromise some pretty powerful people.

Fair warning, don't jump down that rabbit hole unprepared for what you're going to read.
 
greenleaves said:
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And the moment someone "sane" comes out saying the exact same things, they gotta throw him in the psych ward, just to make sure everyone knows he was actually crazy as well (you'd have to be insane to have dissenting thoughts about the government!).

I wish I had a spaceship 'cause I wanna get the fuck out of here, and Thailand just isn't far away enough for me.
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
I got bored one day and looked into that, because I was trying to debunk some other crazy ass theory that was tied to it. There were some connections to a farm (not a castle) in Colorado. I gotta admit I was a little uncomfortable with what I found.

Fair warning, don't jump down that rabbit hole unprepared for what you're going to read.
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HOPEWELL, Va. -- A judge today ordered the release of a Marine Corps veteran being detained as a psychiatric patient after concerns over his Facebook postings.

After an hourlong hearing, Circuit Judge W. Allan Sharrett said an involuntary commitment petition issued against Brandon J. Raub was invalid because it contained no allegation or basis to holding him.

"The petition is so devoid of any factual allegations that it could not be reasonably expected to give rise to a case or controversy," said the release order signed by the judge and sought by lawyers Anthony F. Troy and Brian D. Fowler.

Sharrett said that he was shocked by the failure of a magistrate to not include in the order any grounds for holding Raub, a Chesterfield resident who was transferred from John Randolph Hospital in Hopewell to the Salem Veterans Affairs Medical Center.
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UPDATE: Judge orders release of detained Marine veteran | Richmond Times-Dispatch
 
Attorney of Former Marine Detained for Facebook Posts to Beck: Psychiatrist Threatened to ‘Brainwash’ My Client With Meds

Earlier today, 26-year-old former U.S. Marine Brandon Raub was released from a psychiatric facility via a judge’s order, who ruled that the federal government had no legal grounds to hold him.

Tonight on Glenn Beck’s show on GBTV, soon-to-become TheBlazeTV, John Whitehead, Raub’s lead attorney and president of the Rutherford Institute, gave his first interview following his client’s release to discuss the case.

Whitehead told Beck that he is planning to sue over a provision in Virginia state law that allows authorities to place a person in emergency custody and hold them for four hours unless a magistrate enters a temporary detention order (TDO). Raub was held under this law, specifically Va. Code § 37.2-808, for days.

“We are getting ready to file a civil lawsuit because [Raub] has been through hell for a week,” said Whitehead. But, he explained, “Under the civil commitment law in Virginia, they can do this.”

From a previous Blaze report:

On August 20, Raub was sentenced to up to 30 days in a psychiatric facility after he was detained by federal law enforcement on August 16 over some Facebook posts that criticized the U.S. government and questioned the official story behind the 9/11 terrorist attacks. He also referred to “starting a revolution.”

Whitehead said that veterans have since been contacting him from across the country claiming they too were victims of wrongful detention in psychiatric institutes like Raub.

“It happens. There are about 20,000 civil commitments each year in Virginia,” he added.


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John Whitehead, Attorney for Brandon Raub, Gives Glenn Beck First Interview Since Client’s Release | TheBlaze.com
 
greenleaves said:
First let me say that what you are saying is well known, or should be, in a forum full of marketing people. Now:

I don't watch TV. I don't read newspapers (except a little bit of reuters/aljazeera/bbcworld). I don't read magazines. I don't watch Hollywood movies. I don't read trash literature.

I don't associate myself to any party; not liberal, conservative, libertarian, socialist, anarchist or other. I have had the chance to vote many times; and only took it twice because mostly I believe elections to be like most social restraints; control mechanisms for the elites. Not very different from the ways of elites in ancient Greek, Egypt, Rome, etc.

I don't have facebook, twitter, linkedin, etc. I don't upload my pics anywhere.

I subject myself to very little indoctrination; and I was home schooled + brought up by bohemian free-thinking parents.

I recognize I can easily fall for indoctrination; just like everyone can.

But that is besides the point. I own my thoughts. Saying I don't because I can be manipulated into thinking something else is like saying you don't own your stuff because you could be manipulated into giving them up. It is a weak argument.

You can try to manipulate my thoughts; but in the end; you DON'T know what the FUCK I'm thinking unless I choose to express it to you. And you can TRY to manipulate me mentally; it doesn't mean it will work the way you thought.

Manipulation masses of people is a relatively accurate science because people herd; manipulating individuals (who aren't heavily indoctrinated) isn't as precise of a science because of the intrinsic complexity of life. Even if you know a TON about me; there are many small aspects of life that influence my behavior.

The day you have a machine to read my thoughts with a great degree of accuracy and detail; then I stop owning them. Until then; I own my thoughts. You can put me in jail, torture me, kill me. But what happens between my ears is mine.



I never said I was strong. That is a straw man argument. If you knew me; and knew how I stayed away from propaganda; you'd know I recognize it's potential to affect even people who can recognize it as such.



So you feel bad for him but you don't think that what is happening is a continued degradation of a once great country? That it is 'ok' for what happened to happen? Because your original post basically justified what happened to him as 'reasonable'. In fact; saying 'this is military stuff' is an extremely indoctrinated response; especially given the fact that you know this is NOT what military should do (discharge/court marshal)



I know this. So what? Your saying knowing something is such = I should become apathetic to it? Not a chance. I hate because I love. Apathy is the opposite of love; and I hope to never be on that side. I hope my hate/love doesn't drive me to obssession like Lukep and others, but... I hope to never say 'well... he is military we don't know'. Fuck that; no matter what he did; putting him in a mental institution for political speech is WRONG, no matter what. And there was a time in the US when the AUTHORITIES as a coalition did not do this (yes isolated authorities did; but not in a centralized, systematic way)



#1 Alex Jones helps the gov by making conspiracy theorist seem insane. #2 He is high profile. But mainly #1
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have you heard of a person, called Ericson?

If you haven't, you should look him up. Manipulating and controlling a single individual is not a hard thing to do at all, especially if he thinks he's very strong mentally.
 
momchil9 said:
have you heard of a person, called Ericson?

If you haven't, you should look him up. Manipulating and controlling a single individual is not a hard thing to do at all, especially if he thinks he's very strong mentally.
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You confuse:
Being able to influence some people in some ways = being able to influence all people in all ways.

I'm not saying Milton wasn't really smart/good at what he did. Just saying he had to restrain patients many times (he advocated in favor of restraints). If he could affect all people all times, then he wouldn't need that.

Fact is; my thoughts are mine. Are they influenced by outside factors? Of course. But saying they aren't mine because of that is like saying an artists work isn't his because he was influenced by other artists. It is a weak argument in favor of those who would like to believe everyone can be manipulated all the time in every way. Which is simply not true or the worlds elites wouldn't need weapons at all.
 
your thoughts are not your thoughts at all, because that would imply that you actually figured out something by yourself, as opposed to seeing it from somewhere and replicating/learning it. A genuine thought is hardly ever created.

Also, the opinions that you have of those thoughts are heavily influenced by the environment you're in and also possibly some people that can perform really simple psychological experiments like ericson's hypnosis and basic NLP, and combined with the propaganda that is pushed really subtly from the mass media.

We all live in an imaginary word, bro.
 
momchil9 said:
your thoughts are not your thoughts at all, because that would imply that you actually figured out something by yourself, as opposed to seeing it from somewhere and replicating/learning it. A genuine thought is hardly ever created.
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If you think that way, my thoughts are not mine; no thoughts are of anyone (as everything comes from something else) and I'm not in control of my life (if I don't own my thoughts and everything I do is controlled, then I don't control my life). If I can't control my life, then I'm not responsible. If I'm not responsible than all welfare is well justified as people are not to blame for their thoughts/actions. In fact, we should take away most punishments as it isn't really a person's fault that they do what they do.

You can choose to believe that. It is tempting.

But I'd rather believe I'm in control and therefore; responsible. I am the master of my own destiny and as such; if I fail I can blame no one but myself.

You can't have your pie and eat it. Either you believe we are in control of our destiny and therefore responsible, or you believe we are per-destined to what we do based on where we are coming from and therefore not responsible. (* I believe some people voluntarily surrender control, but they are ultimately responsible for doing this as I believe in FREE WILL. I also believe some people never get to exercise their free will (as would be the case of a slave))
 
In order to have a free will and make informed decisions, you need to be truly objective, which is a quality possessed by very few.

If you're not making informed decisions you are limited by your lack of knowledge or options. So you're streamlined into the not-free people group, therefore not having your own thoughts, but replicate an already proven model.

The ones that can be truly objective can actually see things for what they are and thus have thoughts about them. Otherwise, it's just jibrish nonsense, derived from what Oprah said.
 
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