British dude pays over $700 for a XBox One on eBay... Receives a picture.

thehobbster said:
You actually believe that nonsense?

"She deserved to get raped for wearing that dress."

"He should have read the super small fine print and assumed the main print was misleading."

The person who sold the picture is a manipulative, lying thief who deserves some jail time.

I'm just not sure what you're point is... He didn't make a mistake. He was victimized. And it'll get taken care of appropriately. He will have his money back, guaranteed.
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Don't be obtuse.

Getting raped, and choosing to buy from a listing the specifically said "this is a picture of the console" is not the same.

It would be the same, if you'd said "A dude went to a club with a door that said 'here in is a RAPE room. Pay your $800 and you will be raped'", paid, went in, and then was like "ZOMG I got raped".

He wasn't victimized, he flat out said that he saw that the listing was for a picture, but BOUGHT IT ANYWAY.

The guy is a fucking idiot, and it's a god damn shame someone helped him procreate.

The listing is unethical, but it was right there in front of him, and taking away the consequences of something so benign is how we ended up with fuckwits like that in the first place.
 


thehobbster said:
You actually believe that nonsense?

"She deserved to get raped for wearing that dress."

"He should have read the super small fine print and assumed the main print was misleading."

The person who sold the picture is a manipulative, lying thief who deserves some jail time.

I'm just not sure what you're point is... He didn't make a mistake. He was victimized. And it'll get taken care of appropriately. He will have his money back, guaranteed.
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Those examples aren't really comparable to this. There was no fine print, the title of the post said PHOTO and the description said "you are bidding on a photo of an xbox one."

If this were some $2 packet of gum on walmart.com, then yeah I could understand someone skimming through the description text. But if I'm dropping $800 on something, and on ebay no less, I'm damn sure reading the entire description.

Sure, it's a scam, but people need to accept responsibility for their own actions rather than automatically pulling out the "its not my fault" card. If you send money to a Nigerian prince, yeah it's a scam and the guy pulling it off is scum, but you're still the dumbass who fell for it.
 
SkyFire said:
It would be the same, if you'd said "A dude went to a club with a door that said 'here in is a RAPE room. Pay your $800 and you will be raped'", paid, went in, and then was like "ZOMG I got raped".
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Do these exist? Up until now, I've just been raping people for free.
 
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Okay. Misleading and stealing from people is okay on Wickedfire. I see who and who I won't be doing business with. Thank you for showing your true colors in this thread.

And Macbook has a 12 inch cock and didn't even phase me.

"shtupid people shoulnd't pwocweate!" "we should weed out the retards by using dishonesty and misdirection!"
 
thehobbster said:
Okay. Misleading and stealing from people is okay on Wickedfire. I see who and who I won't be doing business with. Thank you for showing your true colors in this thread.

And Macbook has a 12 inch cock and didn't even phase me.

"shtupid people shoulnd't pwocweate!" "we should weed out the retards by using dishonesty and misdirection!"
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You're not normally this obtuse. I, and I'm fairly sure others, have already pointed out that the sellers behavior was, of course, unethical, but that doesn't make the dipshit who bought the console any less responsible for expecting something other than what he knew he was buying.
 
SkyFire said:
You're not normally this obtuse. I, and I'm fairly sure others, have already pointed out that the sellers behavior was, of course, unethical, but that doesn't make the dipshit who bought the console any less responsible for expecting something other than what he knew he was buying.
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No, I'm not usually obtuse and am not so now. And I like you, so I'd rather this not devolve into silly insult-slinging, beyond what's funny, of course.

I'm not missing the point.

MY point is that you aren't understanding your point.

You are saying that what the scammer did was unethical, but at the same time it's "okay" or in this case excusable in some sense (which is what we call a contradiction) because idiots need to learn lessons and take responsibility.

Some people just genetically don't have a high IQ. They aren't as perceptive or aware of this type of shit. They put trust and faith into systems and people, which is not unrealistic, but maybe optimistic. At this point in the human evolution, it's not a prey and predator situation. We don't have to take advantage of people like this. At least deliver what you are selling. And despite what was said in the description, the guy was SELLING an Xbox. We all know this, and that's why we are calling it a scam.

You guys with your literalist and reductionist crap. Stop degenerating everything into constituents and try integrating a little bit and seeing big pictures instead of pieces, and you'll start to figure out why this behavior is intolerable and it's NOT the low-IQ, low-awareness person's fault. It's the delinquent, malintented, criminal asshole's fault, no matter how you try to chop it up.

Here's another analogy for you guys to laugh at. "The Knockout Game? That old lady shouldn't have walked down the street at the same time as that crowd of black kids. It's her fault for getting hit. Why didn't she have karate training?"

If you can make this contradiction make sense, I'll surrender my position and start scamming people on eBay.
 
thehobbster said:
No, I'm not usually obtuse and am not so now. And I like you, so I'd rather this not devolve into silly insult-slinging, beyond what's funny, of course.

I'm not missing the point.

MY point is that you aren't understanding your point.

You are saying that what the scammer did was unethical, but at the same time it's "okay" or in this case excusable in some sense (which is what we call a contradiction) because idiots need to learn lessons and take responsibility.

If you can make that make sense, I'll surrender my position and start scamming people on eBay.
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No, see, you are missing my point.

I'm not saying it's ok, I'm saying sometimes when you fuck up, you should SUFFER SOME FUCKING CONSEQUENCES.

When we prevent consequences from happening, especially the benign ones, we limit the potential for betterment.
 
SkyFire said:
No, see, you are missing my point.

I'm not saying it's ok, I'm saying sometimes when you fuck up, you should SUFFER SOME FUCKING CONSEQUENCES.

When we prevent consequences from happening, especially the benign ones, we limit the potential for betterment.
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Sure, I'm with you on that.

I think the problem between us is that you are talking about "consequences" in a general, blanket statement fashion.

I'm talking about consequences that derived from evil shit that involved manipulation, lying, theft, and desperation.

I'm all for a kid scuffing his knees after trying to jump his bike over the creek. I'm not for a kid snapping his ankle while jumping into a creek after his buddies told him the creek was 10 feet deep when it was 1 foot deep but too muddy to tell.

The difference is in the intention of a deceiver. Not a silly decision made. Yes, the guy got scammed and could have been more careful? Should he have to? No, and so agrees eBay, Paypal, and the majority of people who aren't trying to position themselves over someone else who made a stupid decision based on non-truths.
 
thehobbster said:
Sure, I'm with you on that.

I think the problem between us is that you are talking about "consequences" in a general, blanket statement fashion.

I'm talking about consequences that derived from evil shit that involved manipulation, lying, theft, and desperation.

I'm all for a kid scuffing his knees after trying to jump his bike over the creek. I'm not for a kid snapping his ankle while jumping into a creek after his buddies told him the creek was 10 feet deep when it was 1 foot deep but too muddy to tell.

The difference is in the intention of a deceiver. Not a silly decision made. Yes, the guy got scammed and could have been more careful? Should he have to? No, and so agrees eBay, Paypal, and the majority of people who aren't trying to position themselves over someone else who made a stupid decision based on non-truths.
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Na, because in life, the hard truth is that what really matters is you, and the decisions you make - others intentions, what they do, and how they behave are secondary.

But in this case, specifically, if this guy actually lost his money, it'd be a lesson for him, and every ones else who heard about it. As it is now, all it does is reinforce the behavior that ones is not responsible for ones own actions, regardless of what others do.

As for PP and eBay, who gives a shit what they think? What they d, they do for their bottom line, not some ethical guide to improve the standing of poor schmucks who make bad decisions.

The first rule everyone should learn grown up is no one is responsible for your actions but you.
 
Skyfire I lost a lot of respect for you.

All that matters is you? What about Family? I don't know everything, but what I do know is once you have family to take care of, money isn't everything.

Ethics Over Money.

We're all responsible for policing our fellow man.
 
SkyFire said:
Na, because in life, the hard truth is that what really matters is you, and the decisions you make - others intentions, what they do, and how they behave are secondary.

But in this case, specifically, if this guy actually lost his money, it'd be a lesson for him, and every ones else who heard about it. As it is now, all it does is reinforce the behavior that ones is not responsible for ones own actions, regardless of what others do.

As for PP and eBay, who gives a shit what they think? What they d, they do for their bottom line, not some ethical guide to improve the standing of poor schmucks who make bad decisions.

The first rule everyone should learn grown up is no one is responsible for your actions but you.
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That's about the most psychologically and spiritually childish thing I've heard. I agree with you, what you have stated is 100% true. And then you grow up, transcend that mindstate, integrate it into a broader perspective, and then you realize you want to treat people with respect and excuse them of mistakes and generally just raise the level of happiness for everyone when possible, versus punishing them all the time.

That's not some socialism bullshit. People should have to EARN the good stuff. But they shouldn't have to LOSE the good stuff because someone else DECIEVED THEM.

You know, because you aren't isolated. you aren't an island. I am a person, with pets, and sometimes a lady, and siblings and parents, in a community and state and nation, on a planet, in a biosphere, within a universe all teeming with life. I'm not going it alone, and I'm not going to pretend to be a digital cowboy. I love people and being involved. And I'm a hard ass about shit. But i'm not going to tell someone it's his fault when he was deceived. It's the liar's fault every time.
 
thehobbster said:
That's about the most psychologically and spiritually childish thing I've heard. I agree with you, what you have stated is 100% true. And then you grow up, transcend that mindstate, integrate it into a broader perspective, and then you realize you want to treat people with respect and excuse them of mistakes and generally just raise the level of happiness for everyone when possible, versus punishing them all the time.

That's not some socialism bullshit. People should have to EARN the good stuff. But they shouldn't have to LOSE the good stuff because someone else DECIEVED THEM.

You know, because you aren't isolated. you aren't an island. I am a person, with pets, and sometimes a lady, and siblings and parents, in a community and state and nation, on a planet, in a biosphere, within a universe all teeming with life. I'm not going it alone, and I'm not going to pretend to be a digital cowboy. I love people and being involved. And I'm a hard ass about shit. But i'm not going to tell someone it's his fault when he was deceived. It's the liar's fault every time.
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I say one thing, and you assign it a value that has nothing to do with the words I use.

I didn't say anyone goes it alone, I didn't say anything about how you treat other people, I said first you should learn that ONLY YOU are responsible for your actions.

Why? Because only then can you truly appreciate those actions, and how they can affect others and the world around you.

When one makes a decision it doesn't matter how one arrived at that decision, it was made and now it must be dealt with, for better or worse. You can blame others, and perhaps rightly so, for how you came to the conclusion/action/decision, but at the end of the day, -you- made that decision and -you- should accept responsibility for the results.

I think our disconnect is I take a harder line for personal responsibility.

tavin said:
Skyfire I lost a lot of respect for you.

All that matters is you? What about Family? I don't know everything, but what I do know is once you have family to take care of, money isn't everything.

Ethics Over Money.

We're all responsible for policing our fellow man.
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I see how you got that, but what I was saying is that only you are responsible for your decisions, and that's all that matters, not the actions/etc of others.
 
SkyFire said:
I say one thing, and you assign it a value that has nothing to do with the words I use.

I didn't say anyone goes it alone, I didn't say anything about how you treat other people, I said first you should learn that ONLY YOU are responsible for your actions.

Why? Because only then can you truly appreciate those actions, and how they can affect others and the world around you.

When one makes a decision it doesn't matter how one arrived at that decision, it was made and now it must be dealt with, for better or worse. You can blame others, and perhaps rightly so, for how you came to the conclusion/action/decision, but at the end of the day, -you- made that decision and -you- should accept responsibility for the results.



I see how you got that, but what I was saying is that only you are responsible for your decisions, and that's all that matters, not the actions/etc of others.
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Every Western and Eastern approach to psychology, from Freudian to Jungian (the whole spectrum), and from Christianity (original sin), Buddhism (ignorance and shunyata), Hinduism (karma and samskaras)... hell, even Shamanism... pretty much nobody agrees with you. Because it's overly simplistic reductionist nonsense. It's not reality. Your mind and brain are not islands. There's never one point in your existence where what you are saying is true. It's a cutesy tough love thing we all tell each other because it helps us take control a little better, but in the end, it's simply not true. And it's definitely not true that ONLY through that line of thought can you truly understand your impact and influence in the world.

But from your perspective, yeah... it's true.
 
thehobbster said:
Every Western and Eastern approach to psychology, from Freudian to Jungian (the whole spectrum), and from Christianity (original sin), Buddhism (ignorance and shunyata), Hinduism (karma and samskaras)... hell, even Shamanism... pretty much nobody agrees with you. Because it's overly simplistic reductionist nonsense. It's not reality. Your mind and brain are not islands. There's never one point in your existence where what you are saying is true. It's a cutesy tough love thing we all tell each other because it helps us take control a little better, but in the end, it's simply not true. And it's definitely not true that ONLY through that line of thought can you truly understand your impact and influence in the world.

But from your perspective, yeah... it's true.
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Life is complicated, how you react to it is not.

You get to choose every thing you do. You might have bad information, you might have to make some shitty decisions, but realty is you get to choose, and only you are responsible for those choices.

I take it as confirmation that no religion, which are design to elicit dependence, agrees with my position. Also, Freud and Jung are hardly the complete picture of the psychological realm of theory.

A religion that taught pure personal responsibility would hardly be popular, no one wants to be responsible for themselves. Christians want to be saved by someone else's death, for example.
 
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