I'm not a Bush basher at all, but this was way too funny not to post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irOFAjsnSg0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irOFAjsnSg0
Bush Is Drinking Again!
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Ahhhh, but you're right.
One of the (formerly) wealthiest nations being run by an ex alcoholic and frequent drug user now turned ultra christian, ruining the country in a foreign war in the process ... Now THAT's comedy.
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emp - at least our country has a set of balls and did not object to removing Sadamn Insane cause we were making money from the poor Iraqi people. Oh, who was that you ask? the germans, along with the french and russians!
there is also a difference between saying I will no longer drink because I don't like what it does to me, meaning that person has the self control to stop something and actually being an alcoholic.
Don't get me started on the economy, we (he) understand(s) that tax cuts make the economy stronger. We crossed 12,000 on the dow today, were your great country has been in economic hell for so long you would not know how to pull your heads out your asses!
oh waite, this was a thread in jest, my bad!
there is also a difference between saying I will no longer drink because I don't like what it does to me, meaning that person has the self control to stop something and actually being an alcoholic.
Don't get me started on the economy, we (he) understand(s) that tax cuts make the economy stronger. We crossed 12,000 on the dow today, were your great country has been in economic hell for so long you would not know how to pull your heads out your asses!
oh waite, this was a thread in jest, my bad!
So was my reply....
Please, calm yourself.
Really, I did never intend this to become a "my country is better than your country" type of thing.
I see the shortfalls in Germany very clear, thank you very much. It made me move out, actually :laughing-smiley-007
Still, I never get the ultra-patriotism some people in the US are getting off on. Being German, I tend to be wary of any type of patriotism, actually.
It might just be me, but starting the war in Iraq, nonetheless continuing it has not been the brightest idea.
Now, BEFORE this turns into a "Our people died in terrorist attacks, you do not respect our troops" kinda thing...
I do realize the extent of the tragedy of 9/11. Believe me, I was as struck as any American. I have friends and family in the US and I do not go around bashing US politics whenever I can.
I just think THAT war has not remedied anything, nor made the world a better place.
[SIZE=-1]"An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind" (Gandhi)[/SIZE]
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Might not have gotten that.
Also got neg rep for this thread... :1orglaugh:
Jeezus Christ! (oops, there goes the next one)
It has become harder and harder to have a political discussion (or anything even bordering on that) with US citizens. :ugone2far:
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Also got neg rep for this thread... :1orglaugh:
Jeezus Christ! (oops, there goes the next one)
It has become harder and harder to have a political discussion (or anything even bordering on that) with US citizens. :ugone2far:
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argh... I should probably just head for bed and call it a day.
Thanks for lightening up people.
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PS: of course I meant the US citizens in the discussions I observed online. It might be that the right or patriot supporters lash out violently enough to subdue critical voices from the US.
Thanks for lightening up people.
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PS: of course I meant the US citizens in the discussions I observed online. It might be that the right or patriot supporters lash out violently enough to subdue critical voices from the US.
emp - just cause gandhi said something does not mean it is true. It is as dumb as people here saying that letting the government listen to calls going to terroist states is taking away our liberties and then quoting Jefferson who said something along the lines that giving up any liberty is the beginning of the end. Bullshit, are you saying gandhi could not be wrong? the enemy wants us dead or converted to be like them. no middle ground. so I would rather kill them than them kill me! hell we already tried leaving them alone, (clinton) but that got us 4 airplanes flying into buildings. They thought we did not have the stomach to respond! so that method did not work....
hey chris.
Of course I am not saying that everything Ghandi said is right. The absolute pacifism he preached is not for me.
I am just saying one has to look closely at what to do about things like 9/11.
Terrorism has, sadly, NOT ceased with the war in Iraq. It has rather risen, I'd say. Since the beginning of said war, we have seen the bombings in Spain, London, car bombs in Iraq killing US troops, etc..
Even Germany just barely escaped some bombings (through sheer luck) although we did not participate in the war and because of that were deemed "safe" for some time.
At the same time, the governments (also the German government!) is using all this to clamp down on citizens' rights. Free speech being the one I am most concerned about.
Most of these laws and enforcements will most likely NOT catch any terrorist.
One example for this being video surveillance. Yes, the wannabe bombers of Germany could be rapidly identified by their video images...AFTER the deed.
The London bombers could neither be detered nor identified afterwards.
Still, government everywhere wants to have electronic surveillance breathing down our collective necks 24/7.
Also... the bombers were Al-Quaida.... there was (as of my knowledge) never a LINK between the bombers and the government of Iraq, or to name one: Saddam Hussein.
Yes, the Anti-US propagande was/is strong, but a 9/11 bomber he was not.
You guys should have attacked Germany instead... those guys were preparing their attack while attending University here... and they learned how to fly in the US of A itself.
As I said... I don't want to poke fun at this (although the thread started like that) since I have people I love in the US and a friend in the US forces, so I am directly affected by this.
The whole situation is quite messy, really. And yes, I am also confused about what the 100% RIGHT kind of action would be. Right now it just seems that continuing the war won't do any good.
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Of course I am not saying that everything Ghandi said is right. The absolute pacifism he preached is not for me.
I am just saying one has to look closely at what to do about things like 9/11.
Terrorism has, sadly, NOT ceased with the war in Iraq. It has rather risen, I'd say. Since the beginning of said war, we have seen the bombings in Spain, London, car bombs in Iraq killing US troops, etc..
Even Germany just barely escaped some bombings (through sheer luck) although we did not participate in the war and because of that were deemed "safe" for some time.
At the same time, the governments (also the German government!) is using all this to clamp down on citizens' rights. Free speech being the one I am most concerned about.
Most of these laws and enforcements will most likely NOT catch any terrorist.
One example for this being video surveillance. Yes, the wannabe bombers of Germany could be rapidly identified by their video images...AFTER the deed.
The London bombers could neither be detered nor identified afterwards.
Still, government everywhere wants to have electronic surveillance breathing down our collective necks 24/7.
Also... the bombers were Al-Quaida.... there was (as of my knowledge) never a LINK between the bombers and the government of Iraq, or to name one: Saddam Hussein.
Yes, the Anti-US propagande was/is strong, but a 9/11 bomber he was not.
You guys should have attacked Germany instead... those guys were preparing their attack while attending University here... and they learned how to fly in the US of A itself.
As I said... I don't want to poke fun at this (although the thread started like that) since I have people I love in the US and a friend in the US forces, so I am directly affected by this.
The whole situation is quite messy, really. And yes, I am also confused about what the 100% RIGHT kind of action would be. Right now it just seems that continuing the war won't do any good.
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you think that this is going on against just the west, read this http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006145.htm he is not muslim enough and faces death for his views, these are the people we are dealing with. You don't think they are going to fight back and hard? these people do not value human life, they are all fighting so they can die and get 72 virgins or something crazy like that!
as for your knowledge of a link to Al-Quaida and Iraq, that link has been established, Atta was in Iraq months before 9/11 - as were other Al-Quaida leaders, this does not get much press because the left wants to seperate the 2. it is all the same.
as for your knowledge of a link to Al-Quaida and Iraq, that link has been established, Atta was in Iraq months before 9/11 - as were other Al-Quaida leaders, this does not get much press because the left wants to seperate the 2. it is all the same.
Actually, I did NOT say there was no link between Iraq and Atta. Probably where they were meeting with Al Quaida.
I said there is no link between Al quaida and Hussein.
As for "the left want those two to be seperated", yeah, I believe so, (but then I am probably considered left in the US) and I would just reply
"Yeah, the right want us to believe those two are one..."
That does not get us anywhere.
I am just trying to look at the situation right now and it is a MESS.
Seriously, I really do not know what one should do or think about it, now that it has arrived at this point.
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I said there is no link between Al quaida and Hussein.
As for "the left want those two to be seperated", yeah, I believe so, (but then I am probably considered left in the US) and I would just reply
"Yeah, the right want us to believe those two are one..."
That does not get us anywhere.
I am just trying to look at the situation right now and it is a MESS.
Seriously, I really do not know what one should do or think about it, now that it has arrived at this point.
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