Clonazepam... I wanna get fucked up

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businessservice said:
I think everyone understands what the term drug user refers to in the context of this thread, although to the cantankerous members a simple statement like that may be difficult to comprehend...geeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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No, I don't think everyone does.

This thread started as a discussion on the dosage of prescription meds and has moved on to the wider issue of drugs.

I'm not going to insult you by quoting a dictionary definition of 'drug', as I'm sure you know what it means.

You stated:

"I am well aware drug users bring plenty of misery to everyone they come into contact with, they live totally selfish lives and would they really be missed?"

It seems you have a lot of experience of people in the grip of serious addiction - to perhaps, heroin or crack - and are wrongly associating all drug use with the social problems that can occur with addiction (as with alcoholism), or if not first-hand experience then maybe the influence of the media has played a big part.

Either way, I bet you've met many people in your life and they have not brought you misery, although you may have known nothing about it I bet some of those people have used some sort of drug at some time.

Myself and most people I know use or have used some drugs (inc. alcohol and tobacco) at some times - we don't "bring misery to everyone we come in contact with".

Most people can enjoy alcohol and not become alcoholic, it's the same with other drugs. Please... make the distinction between recreational use and abuse or addiction.
 


someone's addicted to that caffeine....

Must have an office near the pisser?

If I were you I'd just get a urinal installed... much more convenient!
 
My office is the basement and the bathroom is upstairs. Kind of an annoying setup so I just open the back door most of the time. :D

That, and I have a cold, so schmoking burns my lungs too much right now.
 
LazyHippy said:
[SIZE=+1]Annual Causes of Death in the United States[/SIZE]

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Tobacco 435,000
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,000
Alcohol 85,000
Microbial Agents 75,000
Toxic Agents 55,000
Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,347
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000
Suicide 30,622
Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000
Homicide 20,308
Sexual Behaviors 20,000
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,000,
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/causes.htm#illicit Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600
Marijuana 0

Drug War Facts: Annual Causes of Death in the United States

Known drug-related deaths in the UK, 1990

Tobacco: .................110,000
Alcohol: ..................30,000
Volatile Substances: 112
Morphine: ................91
Methadone: ..............84
Heroin: ....................62
Barbiturate Type: ....7
Anti-depressants: ....4
Cocaine: .................4
Pethidine: ...............3
MDMA (ecstasy): ...3
Amphetamine Type: .2
Hallucinogens:........ 0
LSD:....................... 0
Psylocibin:............. 0
Cannabis: ...............0

DEATHS FROM DRUGS : STATISTICS

Sorry, can't get the US table to stay formatted.
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I'm not saying that I'm against drug use because I'm not, I couldn't care less what kind of a lifestyle an adult chooses but those stats are a bit misleading. Sure tobacco kills a lot more people then marijuana but how many people fuck their lives up because of drugs. They might not kill as many people as tobacco and but I'm willing to bet more people have ruined their lives because of drug use then tobacco use.
 
I left home shortly after leaving school to pursue a career in the armed forces, so I have had limited dealings with drug users.

However when home on leave I witnessed the destruction my friends had brought on their families due to their drug addiction. A common trend was these people could not care less, they simply used drugs as an excuse for their sad existence.

The truth was even before they even started on drugs they were lazy demotivated individuals who thought the whole world owned them a favour.

Some people have the inner strength to make something of their lives and some live it in the gutter, taking drugs is the easy option by people who simply follow the crowd or need escapism. They want pity, but deserve none.
 
businessservice said:
I left home shortly after leaving school to pursue a career in the armed forces, so I have had limited dealings with drug users.

However when home on leave I witnessed the destruction my friends had brought on their families due to their drug addiction. A common trend was these people could not care less, they simply used drugs as an excuse for their sad existence.

The truth was even before they even started on drugs they were lazy demotivated individuals who thought the whole world owned them a favour.

Some people have the inner strength to make something of their lives and some live it in the gutter, taking drugs is the easy option by people who simply follow the crowd or need escapism. They want pity, but deserve none.
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It's interesting how the armed forces alters people's perception on things, but that's not a debate I'm going to get into now.

What offends me is that you seem to tar everyone with the same brush. The reasons people use recreational drugs are often the same reasons that people drink. You are right it is often escapism, but is that any different to someone going out any getting pissed on a friday night to forget about his awful week at work? Is there anything really wrong with that if it's done in moderation and not all the time?

I live near Portsmouth (a big navy city) and have friends in the police. I know for a fact they have a lot more problems with drunken sailors in the city centre than they do with raves and parties in the woods or on the beach. Although it would be wrong to suggest that it's just the navy that gets pissed and causes problems, after a while at sea they certainly value the escapism a night on the town brings more than most people. My sister is in the navy and I've been out with her and her mates... man do they really love to drink.

John, you are right about tobacco. It is certainly a big killer but definitely doesn't cause the social problems that are associated with the abuse or over-use of other drugs. I'd argue that alcohol is by far the most socially damaging drug and I enjoy a drink as much as the next man.
 
The UK government downgrading cannabis and then completely banning mushrooms is one of the oddest moves ever I reckon.

Summers evenings down Bournemouth Beach, chilling out with my friends and some mushrooms. Ace fun.

Anyway, I'm off to get smacked up before I go to rob the post office down the road.
 
I have spent a few good nights in Portsmouth myself, some fleepit nightclub called Joanne's or something like that.

I imagine there is not a lot of difference between taking recreational drugs and alcohol. However my posts have been aimed at hardcore drug users, I will never change my opinion on these people, they are the scum of the earth.
 
businessservice said:
I have spent a few good nights in Portsmouth myself, some fleepit nightclub called Joanne's or something like that.

I imagine there is not a lot of difference between taking recreational drugs and alcohol. However my posts have been aimed at hardcore drug users, I will never change my opinion on these people, they are the scum of the earth.
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Haha.. Fleapit is an understatement! Think it's closed down now, but yeah a real dive.

I don't think there's any hardcore drug users here. For most people with an addiction to say smack or crack, posting on a forum would be the last thing on their mind. (Although some people do lead a normal life addicted to heroin when supply and quality isn't an issue.) Prohibition doesn't deal with the problems though. Amongst other things, it encourages crime against property and the spread of disease.

I don't hold the alcoholic who beats his wife and kids in very high regard, but banning alcohol isn't the solution. If alcohol was illegal it would do a lot more damage and people would be more likely to resort to crime to feed their addiction. Maybe some of the Americans can shed some light on this from their history lessons?

Mankind has always used drugs, and pretty much the same ones as now. The use of the coca plant, opium poppies, cannabis, mushrooms, cacti, tobacco and alcohol can all be traced back thousands of years. The war on drugs can never be won, it's human nature to want to experience different things, to see the world differently - be that through the bottom of a pint glass or though the haze of hash smoke.

The only winners in this war are the shareholders of the companies that run our over-crowded prisons and the companies that produce methadone and such like (and I'm sure they would happily switch production if things were different).

I'm sure the politicians realise this is an un-winnable war, even from a cold financial point of view it is a monstrous waste of resources that could be used to improve healthcare, education, pensions, provide clean water in Africa or even reduce taxes. However, the politicians also realise that many voters wouldn't support a change of tack.

I'm hoping for a hung parliament and for the Lib Dems to push through a Royal commission looking at the whole issue, which they have proposed. In reality though I think it will take generations of slow change, something we are starting to see now they are finally accepting the medical uses of cannabis again.

Sorry, I'm in a writing mood and could write loads about this... Really should set up a blog on it or something!
 
I remember doing some driver training around Portsmouth, its surprising how much room motorists give you when you tanking around town in an armoured personnel carrier, with very large 'L' plates on.
 
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