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Clyde, for competing pages why is UNF looking at the Bing index? Mouse over over Comp. Pages gives- "The total number of pages from your target location that mention your exact keyword in the title in Bing's index". If you're trying to rank in Google, why analyse comp. in Bing?
And I'm guessing the Difficulty is also being calculated based on competition in Bing...
Could we have competitive analysis based on the Google index, and not Bing? Maybe you could allow us to choose the SE in the settings?
And I'm guessing the Difficulty is also being calculated based on competition in Bing...
Could we have competitive analysis based on the Google index, and not Bing? Maybe you could allow us to choose the SE in the settings?
Continuing from my last post:
For the term "download free pc games", UNF shows 14800 competing pages but allintitle search in Google brings up 1,480,000 results (while Bing shows 4760)
For the term "double jogging stroller", UNF shows 12000 competing pages but allintitle search in Google brings up 132,000 results (while Bing shows 4230)
So I'm not sure from where you are pulling the numbers. (And this is after the most recent update v.1.4.19.6)
ALSO -- The comp. pages number keeps changing if I reset the data and do the comp. analysis again. One KW (best lightweight stroller) jumped from 609 comp pages to 2020 within a few seconds.
For the term "download free pc games", UNF shows 14800 competing pages but allintitle search in Google brings up 1,480,000 results (while Bing shows 4760)
For the term "double jogging stroller", UNF shows 12000 competing pages but allintitle search in Google brings up 132,000 results (while Bing shows 4230)
So I'm not sure from where you are pulling the numbers. (And this is after the most recent update v.1.4.19.6)
ALSO -- The comp. pages number keeps changing if I reset the data and do the comp. analysis again. One KW (best lightweight stroller) jumped from 609 comp pages to 2020 within a few seconds.
Hi,
We had to switch to the new system because getting the backlinks data from SE0moz wasn't viable anymore, they became stricter and at least half of the proxies available through ProxyBonanza have been blocked.
If you were to do the same allintitle queries on Google you'd need to solve 2 captcha's for every request, on a 30k keywords run that's 60k captcha's that you'd need solving! About $60+ spent on captcha solving everytime you do a KW research run.
There are other software out there that does pull Google's data but you'd have to wait 15 seconds per keyword. That's 125 hours of waiting! Can you imagine waiting 5days+ for a KW research process to finish?
Considering that B!ng's results highly correlate with Google's, require NO PROXIES NOR CAPTCHA's, it's an excellent alternative. Our biggest competitor Market Samurai uses it too.
It's a win-win situation for our users.
Hope that answers your questions.
Working on this right now.
Should have an update out in a couple of days since it's the weekend.
That's right!
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Arrrrggghh! You mean to tell me your "solution" is to utilize Bing? Bing's data doesn't do squat for me and had I known that's what you were using for competition I would have probably not purchased. No wonder my manual checks of what look like amazing niches have turned up crap. Using Bing is not a solution... it's a cop-out.
Hi,
It's more accurate than our previous solution had it not been for the inconsistency bug (it shows different results for different IP's) but we just figured out a solution in the last 6h and will be issuing another update very soon. It's Sunday so the programmer's off-duty.
Out of the 300k keywords we've analyzed prior to the switch, I have yet to find a keyword that's Hard on Google but Easy on Bing, or the other way around. It makes perfect sense considering Bing's index is at least 50-75% the size of Google's.
I will list a few examples, (Disclaimer: your results number may be slightly different since you query from a different IP than I do).
Keyword "weight loss" with quotes.
Google returns 265,000,000 results.
PHP:
http://www.google.com/search?q="weight loss"&hl=en-US
PHP:
http://www.bing.com/search?q=%22weight%20loss%22&market=en-USGoogle gives 359,000 results.
Bing gives 10,200 results.
Keyword "food to lose weight".
Google gives 508,000 results.
Bing gives 80,900 results.
If you plot a graph of "Results in Google vs Results in Bing" for 300k+ keywords like we did, you'd see the following conclusion:
1. Hard in Google = Hard in Bing.
2. Moderate Competition in Google = Moderate Competition in Bing.
3. Easy in Google = Easy in Bing.
Therefore, competition level in Google = competition level in Bing.
The only differences with Bing are:
a) You don't need to solve two captcha's for every query and spend $60+ on captcha credits to analyze 30k keywords.
b) or wait 5 days to finish analyzing that list. (utilizing delays instead of solving captcha's)
It's a really viable cost-effective alternative if you think about it.
p/s: this has always been a first level check anyway, we've recommended users to look at the actual Top 10 sites ranking on Google as a final check and still does.
Okay - I'll buy that until I've run some tests of my own. If you've run the data on 300k keywords and see a correlation I'll trust you on that one, just think you may want to make this more clear on your sales copy.
Could you possibly add an "check in google" option for the competition analaysis for those of us willing to burn some captchas/proxies? I for one narrow things down quite a bit before I even start looking at the competition.
Also - have you considered doing the verizon.net, charter.net, search.orange.co.uk or sky.com etc route? Rotating through the powered by google "clones" is what I hear is a way around restrictions nowadays.
Could you possibly add an "check in google" option for the competition analaysis for those of us willing to burn some captchas/proxies? I for one narrow things down quite a bit before I even start looking at the competition.
Also - have you considered doing the verizon.net, charter.net, search.orange.co.uk or sky.com etc route? Rotating through the powered by google "clones" is what I hear is a way around restrictions nowadays.
OK Matt, but it makes no sense to also query Google if the results are the same. We're updating it again today with a more accurate/reliable/consistent difficulty indicator so you might want to wait for that.
Thank you for your suggestion.
v1.4.20 is OUT!
1.4.20 - released 3/14/2012
- More improvements for the Competition Analysis tool. Please re-analyze your data.
- Changed the location of the Start Menu shortcut for Ultimate Niche Finder.
You can now find it under the folder Ultimate Niche Finder, instead of Clyde Software Unlimited. - You can now easily delete keywords by selecting them and pressing the DEL key on your keyboard.
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