I told my wife tonight that I give up. I will still vote for RP but I give up on this nation. The mass media controls the votes. We have too many sheep following the lead of corporations.
Australia sounds fun.
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I told my wife tonight that I give up. I will still vote for RP but I give up on this nation. The mass media controls the votes. We have too many sheep following the lead of corporations.
Australia sounds fun.
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I haven't really chimed in at all in any of the Ron Paul threads, but I have been watching this race closely for months. Here are my thoughts:
-Ron paul is definitly going to lose and he knows it. He is too old and he isn't a good speaker. The delegate strategy may help him gain some traction if Santorum and Romney go down to the wire, but i believe he is in it for the long game. Gain more followers, gain more attention for the movement. Get more Ron paul supporters into council, congress, senate seats.
-He won't run third party because of Rand but also because running 3rd party would be used to discredit the libertarian movement if the Republican elect was to run against Obama and lose. Even though he would actually hurt Obama's base just as much or even more.
-Ron Paul shouldn't want to run third party either because he should be hoping for an Obama win. If a republican wins Rand won't be able to run for president under the republican ticket and that means 8 years more of the same.
- Rand is young, just as smart and a much better speaker than Paul. He has a poker face and doesn't let reporters put him into corners. Most importantly he can word his message in a way the average American can understand. I am certain that this is just laying the foundation for him.
- If everything goes to plan: Obama gets re-elected and the economy worsens then Rand will really have a shot and Paul's dream will come true.
Just what i think..
-Ron paul is definitly going to lose and he knows it. He is too old and he isn't a good speaker. The delegate strategy may help him gain some traction if Santorum and Romney go down to the wire, but i believe he is in it for the long game. Gain more followers, gain more attention for the movement. Get more Ron paul supporters into council, congress, senate seats.
-He won't run third party because of Rand but also because running 3rd party would be used to discredit the libertarian movement if the Republican elect was to run against Obama and lose. Even though he would actually hurt Obama's base just as much or even more.
-Ron Paul shouldn't want to run third party either because he should be hoping for an Obama win. If a republican wins Rand won't be able to run for president under the republican ticket and that means 8 years more of the same.
- Rand is young, just as smart and a much better speaker than Paul. He has a poker face and doesn't let reporters put him into corners. Most importantly he can word his message in a way the average American can understand. I am certain that this is just laying the foundation for him.
- If everything goes to plan: Obama gets re-elected and the economy worsens then Rand will really have a shot and Paul's dream will come true.
Just what i think..
I absolutely agree with you. I've even seen Sean Hannity jump on the Rand Paul bandwagon. It's not that his message is different, it's that he's a better politician (which is a little scary too I guess, but so far his senate record looks pretty good.)
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You're pretty keen but you left out three important issues to affect this plan:
1. Gary Johnson. -Every bit the popular libertarian that RP is; just running on the libertarian ticket this year. He's been Governor before so likely he can run for the big office in 4 years with lots of experience under his belt.
2. Rand doesn't have much experience yet. Ron's 30+ year voting record gives instant credibility to him that he will continue to vote against the status quo once elected... Rand won't have that in 4 or even 8 more years. Perhaps in 12 if will look impressive enough, but by then I expect this country to be in rubble or worse.
3. Dr. Paul would NEVER want Obama to win, because everyone (but the libs) knows that Obama is going to do far more evil things in his second term without having to worry about his popularity anymore. To say it's RP's plan for Obama to be elected is tantamount to saying it's RP's plan for america to go into the greatest depression yet with hyperinflation and WWIII at the same time.
2. Rand doesn't have much experience yet. Ron's 30+ year voting record gives instant credibility to him that he will continue to vote against the status quo once elected... Rand won't have that in 4 or even 8 more years. Perhaps in 12 if will look impressive enough, but by then I expect this country to be in rubble or worse.
3. Dr. Paul would NEVER want Obama to win, because everyone (but the libs) knows that Obama is going to do far more evil things in his second term without having to worry about his popularity anymore. To say it's RP's plan for Obama to be elected is tantamount to saying it's RP's plan for america to go into the greatest depression yet with hyperinflation and WWIII at the same time.
I do agree that RP won't win and knows it though. His speeches after each primary clearly state that he's just proud of the momentum the Cause is getting.
...I just doubt that this momentum has any chance whatsoever of affecting change before some catastrophic crash.
If these guys want to be taken serious they need to ditch the libertarian title and make the move to republican. The republican base that makes up the majority think that libertarian = liberal/democrat or that if they do vote libertarian that they are wasting there vote, which they are because they are taking votes away from the republican side. This election has already been decided and it really makes me sick to imagine 4 more years of socialism
1. Yeah i forgot about Johnson, but i don't really think he is a factor.I think running on a libertarian ticket would all but ruin his chances of becoming a serious presidential candidate in the future.
Anybody who is going to change America has to do it from within the 2 party structure. Running third party will immediately discredit him if he tries to run Republican in the future and especially if Obama wins. I am sure the RP base will also go with the candidate most likely win the nomination.
2. I don't think experience is an issue at all. Experience doesn't really matter that much to the common voter. Both Obama and Bush had lack of experience but became president nonetheless. Ron paul is much more experienced than anybody running for president now, but in the end it didn't matter.
Rand has everything a politician needs to succeed: Great personal skills, quick thinking, good presentation skills, control over his emotions and he even has a clean record. All of those skills will come in handy against better funded opponents in the future.
3. I agree that Ron Paul doesn't want Obama to win, Obama is a terrible president. But given the choice between Obama, Romney or Santorum. I think Obama is the lesser evil. Also if Obama loses you will very likely have 8 more years of Santorum or Romney in the Whitehouse. What is more scary, 4 more years of Obama or 8 years with one of those two?
Paul learned that back in the 1998 election. For Gary J it makes sense to run as Libertarian right now because he would never get as many votes as Paul, and those two have the same ideologies. So if Paul fails, at least Libertarians have someone to vote for on the ballot. (That they don't have to write in.)
You mean like it did to that Ron Paul guy?
I guess Tim McVeigh and the Unibomber didn't agree with you, but you're right. And since the 2-party system is so screwed, I'd take that one step further and say that they would additionally need to do it SECRET-AGENT-STYLE... Such as by voting and acting like Mitt Romney all the way up to the swear-in and then let loose the hounds once inside... Because if you want change and you're truly consistent like Paul is, the majority of america simply WILL NOT want you in the white house.
Couldn't disagree with you more. The RP base is fanatical about writing his name on ballots... And then there's this:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OV8RSgCr2g]Ron Paul: The Last One (No One But Paul) - YouTube[/ame]
If there's ever been a political base in the history of the US to NOT go with the candidate most likely to win the nom, it's RP's base.
I swear we should make the requirements higher... 20 years as either a governor or in a federal-level public office, anyone?
I used to think this... Now I'd say Scrotorum is the lesser of the evils.
Sure scrote's got huge homophobia and god-worshipping issues, but I don't really see him as put there by the Corps and other big interest groups. At least not nearly as much as Mittens. Meanwhile Obama is clearly going to take the gloves off when he's re-elected and start REALLY doing some damage to the constitution...
Huge difference. No voter remembers when he ran, sure it has been brought up, but it is a non-issue. I am sure if Johnson runs 20 years from now it will be a non-issue too. However, if Obama wins this time and Johnson tries to run as a republican in 4 years time then it will used against him successfully.
I have actually thought about that scenario, but i bet they would be impeached before they could carry anything out.
When i stated canditate most likely to win the nom I mean't between Rand and Johnson. Rand has shown to be honest and pretty in line with his Father's views. He is more of a politican which many in the potiical base may not like, but i think he has learned well from his father's mistakes. I could see the base going with him.
That will be the day lol!
No i think he is way worse. He has also shown from his past actions that he can easily be bought and although he may not be the choice candidate for the establishment, he would be an acceptable replacement.
The straw poll at my precinct in Minnesota was Santorum 13, Paul 12, Romney 12, and Next 6.
The precinct chair was visibly surprised when she read the results. She was like "wow, Rick Santorum won with 13".
The precinct chair was visibly surprised when she read the results. She was like "wow, Rick Santorum won with 13".
