Conspiracy Theories and Athiesm

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Wouldn't the same be true for the fact that there is no god? (For a girl that doesn't believe in anything supernatural is it ironic that I'm the devil's biggest advocate? :D)

Going back to when Christians were playing music backwards to find hidden Devil/Satan messages (Back Masking), it got me to WRITE a few words backwards:

Evil = Live
Devil = Lived
God = Dog

Hmmm.......................... maybe there is something to the apparition in that dog's ass.


Sincerely,

MT
 


Western law is based on the ten commandments! Why wouldnt they be displayed in a courthouse? You might need to do like many other people do and just don't pay attention to it. It isn't biting you. It isn't corrupting your mind. It isn't calling out for you to commit murder in it's name. So why do you even waste a moment's thought about it?

Also, please do some reading on the whole church and state thing. The left has made this out to be like it is in the constitution or something. It's not. It was a letter by Jefferson to the Danbury babtist. This letter reffered to the constitution as a wall of seperation between church and state.

This country was VERY much founded on christian principles. The whole church and state thing was an idea of the constitution being a safeguard to keep the government from instituting a government sponsored religeon. The founders were afraid that our government would go the same route as England and push a single religeon on it's people.

The federal government by mandate of the constitution cannot keep relieous signs out of state courthouses anyways. That is for the states to decide. That way if you don't like living in a state that honors the traditions of our founders, you can move to Seattle.

That's interesting PopEye, it sounds reasonable to me. I do know that the Separation of Church and State is nowhere in the Constitution and find it HIGHLY unlikely that the Founding Fathers would have EVER envisioned a country where the "Bible/God" was not a part of our educational system, legal system, or the government.

I've heard tell of a different reason behind the Separation of Church and State suggested in the letter by Mr. Jefferson.

He was referring to the "Monies" collected that were to go to the newly forming and fledgling government. Since most of the representatives were religious leaders at the time, they were skimming from the money collected to fund their churches. Jefferson saw this as a PROBLEM and wanted it to stop but also saw their point of view. They were working for NOTHING back then in government positions and since it was their District/Church voluntarily giving up the scarce funds they figured that they deserved a percentage and it was logical to them.

It was "LATER" that the letter was redrafted to what is "recorded" because for some reason someone decided that it would not look good see that some of the Founding Fathers were skimming public funds.

I've actually gotten this version over the years from BOTH politicians and Ministers. How true it is I don't really know, but it certainly makes as much sense as the recorded version. Especially when we look at our history and see what parts have either been changed or purposefully left out of the teachings of our educational system.


Sincerely,

MT
 
Here's a guy who has also had people twist his words and teachings around over time. The Meaning of Buddha

Be islands unto yourselves, refuges unto yourselves, seeking no external refuge; with the Dhamma as your island, the Dhamma as your refuge, seeking no other refuge ~ Maha Parinibbana sutta"

These significant words uttered by the Buddha in his last days are very striking and inspiring. They reveal how vital is self-exertion to accomplish one's ends, and how superficial and futile it is to seek redemption through self-proclaimed saviors, and to crave for illusory happiness in an afterlife through the propitiation of imaginary gods by fruitless prayers and meaningless sacrifices.
The Buddha was a human being. As a man he was born, as a Buddha he lived, and as a Buddha his life came to an end. Though human, he became an extraordinary man owing to his unique characteristics. The Buddha laid stress on this important point, and left no room for any one to fall into the error of thinking that he was an immortal being. This is important as he sets an example for what we too can achieve if we are to put effort in practicing his teachings.


Sincerely,

MT
 
Then believe in a spaghetti monster for all I care. Personally, it seems unlikely, but if that's what you're into, go for it.

If you can give me one reason that your god is more likely than FSM, I'm all ears. You might think about it for a little while, possibly come up with what you think is the answer, but you won't quite reach it. The conclusion will be that your god has nil percentage more to exist than the FSM. You will either laugh and think - boy I've been silly all these years or you might do what someone with no mental blocks does - mature.


Basically exactly what I said. People who are obsessed with what other people believe. Dude - why do you give a fuck? Get a life.

I care because the truth is important, did you ever stop to think how much religion hindered our progress over its existence? Maybe if forward thinking people wouldn't of been put to death for all our time we'd be marketing from another planet by now.

At the very least we wouldn't have retarded suggestions like this,
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No we can't have nice things with religious thinking around, lets all think the same way, follow the same savior, attribute any miracle or unlikely event to god, and especially - let's all think we're blessed and special at a time where we have the power to destroy ourselves.

We have zero hope of a future if the majority of people are taught from a young age not to think for themselves on matters of the gravest importance, only an informed and active public has any chance of affecting its government - sheeple will always do as they're told. Imagine if Sundays were used to inform children how to think skeptically and to listen to themselves sometimes, to know that the "older" man who presents himself as wise, isn't always so.



Matter appearing out of no where is NOT based on physics. It is based on the idea that anything that can happen at the sub atomic level will happen. This is a "theory" that is thrown in to explain all the missing links that the scientist have no explanation for.

Keep telling yourself that, it's what's religions been saying for all those years and look how far they got us?

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It's a bit hard to see with the picture but that's a backwards step. I've watched hours of documentaries and am currently reading a book with relations to quantum mechanics - it has 100% more reality than the hogwash from religion.
 
Now that the minds unconcerned with reality have been phased out of this thread I have 2 very interesting series to share,

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg1fs6vp9Ok]YouTube - 1 -- History of the Universe Made Easy (Part 1)[/ame]

GIVE ME MORE -Series Link

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnJX68ELbAY]YouTube - 1st Foundational Falsehood of Creationism[/ame]

GIVE ME MORE - Series Link
 
Now that the minds unconcerned with reality have been phased out of this thread I have 2 very interesting series to share,

YouTube - 1 -- History of the Universe Made Easy (Part 1)

GIVE ME MORE -Series Link

YouTube - 1st Foundational Falsehood of Creationism

GIVE ME MORE - Series Link

I'm listening to one of the vids in another tab while replying here.

Is that our departed Carl Sagan narrating that? (I know, I could follow the link but that's like cheating.)

I heard that voice and got a "chill" thinking that he could be speaking from Beyond the Grave to me!! LOL!!

Sincerely,

MT
 
Put religieon aside. Lets think at a logical level. Even if there was a big bang, where did all the matter that was part of this phenomenon come from. The matter that started the universe just didn't appear, did it?

Something had to "start" the universe. Even if you place the start of the universe on one photon, or atom or whatever. That particle had to either be designed and constructed or did it appear from nothing.

I am not saying that because we don't know the answer, proves that there is a supreme being but what alternative answers are there?
 
If you can give me one reason that your god is more likely than FSM, I'm all ears.

Here's a hint, retard. I could honestly give a fuck what you believe. Nobody's tripping all over themselves to persuade you. But since you parrot this stupid atheist talking point, you want one reason? How about 66 reasons, written by 40 different people, over 2000 years and 3 continents?

I care because the truth is important, did you ever stop to think how much religion hindered our progress over its existence? Maybe if forward thinking people wouldn't of been put to death for all our time we'd be marketing from
another planet by now.

In other words, you're obsessed with what other people believe. Kind of creepy, if you ask me.


What a disgustingly disengenuous misrepresentation of the Pope's position. He doesn't oppose condoms because they 'don't protect' against AIDS. He opposes them because the Church encourages abstinence, and condoms encourage the exact opposite. Any other lies you wanna spread?

No we can't have nice things with religious thinking around, lets all think the same way, follow the same savior, attribute any miracle or unlikely event to god, and especially - let's all think we're blessed and special at a time where we have the power to destroy ourselves.

The only countries that enforce religious thinking right now are all Muslim. But that would get in the way of your mindless Christianity-bashing.

We have zero hope of a future if the majority of people are taught from a young age not to think for themselves on matters of the gravest importance, only an informed and active public has any chance of affecting its government - sheeple will always do as they're told. Imagine if Sundays were used to inform children how to think skeptically and to listen to themselves sometimes, to know that the "older" man who presents himself as wise, isn't always so.

The majority of people taught from a young age? What world are you living in? The educational system in this country has purged Christianity from every nook and cranny, and now promotes your ridiculous religion, atheism. It's whats messed up this country so much in the first place. But I wouldn't expect a twisted mind like yours to understand that.
 
Put religieon aside. Lets think at a logical level. Even if there was a big bang, where did all the matter that was part of this phenomenon come from. The matter that started the universe just didn't appear, did it?

Something had to "start" the universe. Even if you place the start of the universe on one photon, or atom or whatever. That particle had to either be designed and constructed or did it appear from nothing.

I am not saying that because we don't know the answer, proves that there is a supreme being but what alternative answers are there?

Once again you bring up some interesting and very valid points.

Here is the problem, our "HUMAN" brains that have developed on planet EARTH.

Let's start with your question about Matter appearing out of nowhere.

Whether it was Matter or some Intelligence that began everything using Matter our brain has the SAME trouble in actually understanding it. It's all about the simple question of, "Which came first, the fully Mature Chicken or the Egg that the embryo formed in?" Our brains cannot answer that question with any certainty.

With this in mind, let's say for a minute that some Intelligence did create everything. How did it come to be? Everything that our brain has been exposed to on this planet tells us that things are made up of other things and did not just appear from nothing. Technically, each and every one of us actually began as whatever FOOD our parents ate and then converted it into the molecular structures needed in order for their reproductive systems to function. So, in all actuality each and every one of us on Earth came from a beam of Sunlight when you completely break it down to it's originating source in our solar system.

Our minds cannot fathom the "concept" of eternity as it applies to time or space. Everything in our experience is finite. It does have a beginning and and an eventual end. Our lifespan is the first and best example.

Our minds have been programmed with everything having some kind of containment or boundary. Our blood is contained within veins and arteries. If they were to rupture it would spill out into our body cavity but still be contained. If our skin then was ruptured then it would flow out on to the floor and if we are inside a building it is contained in there. If we were outside it would be contained within the atmosphere of earth. If we were out in open space above our stratosphere it would be free to float through space. What contains space? Our minds cannot fathom the concept of space being forever or never ending. We can say that Space goes on forever and leave it at that, but it is an incomplete thought to our minds based what they have been programmed by here on Earth.

The same holds true for Time. Our days turn into nights so each one ends and then begins again, but they do end. By having different days to mark the beginning and ending of these cycles they do have endings. Same as the weeks, months, years, and on into millenniums and beyond. We even speak of our sun dieing some day which would end time as we here on earth know it. So all that our brains know has an end as well a type of beginning.

If were to ever advance to where we could travel to the end of space, what would surround it? Then what would surround that? Could it really be infinite? Or if we traveled far enough would we just end up back where we began?

I think you see the magnitude of the problem we have. These questions being posed to our brain and expecting an answer anytime soon would be like trying to use an Abacus to map out the Human Gnome. LOL!!

While I'm on this, and this was to also be a thread to include conspiracy theories, what are anyone's thoughts about the Powers that be keeping factual proof of Extra Terrestrial life away from the general populous? Also for those of the God mindset, which religion should not matter, would the presence of other life forms outside of Earth be a problem?


Sincerely,

MT
 
While I'm on this, and this was to also be a thread to include conspiracy theories, what are anyone's thoughts about the Powers that be keeping factual proof of Extra Terrestrial life away from the general populous?

Sincerely,

MT

There was the conspiracy theory years ago that the influx of Alien type movies from Hollywood were designed to show all sides of Extra Terrestrial life to warm us all up to the idea and cushion the blow, before they make the big announcements.

Remember that one? We're not alone!
 
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What a disgustingly disengenuous misrepresentation of the Pope's position. He doesn't oppose condoms because they 'don't protect' against AIDS. He opposes them because the Church encourages abstinence, and condoms encourage the exact opposite. Any other lies you wanna spread?
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ahem...

Pope claims condoms could make African Aids crisis worse | World news | guardian.co.uk

Pope: Condoms Not The Answer To AIDS

Pope Condoms AIDS

"You can't resolve it with the distribution of condoms," the pope told reporters aboard the Alitalia plane heading to Yaounde. "On the contrary, it increases the problem."

And yes, he might have wanted to say "be abstinent", but he didn't.

What he said was:

a) condoms do not help against AIDS
b) Condoms increase the problem

to which I say:

WTF?

Good thing he even got challenged by his own:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2224119/posts

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I thought you realized how ignorant you looked in all the previous posts, obviously not yet - here's some more cookie crumbs for your pea brain. :)

Here's a hint, retard. I could honestly give a fuck what you believe.
Well.. personal attacks and you coming back to this thread would argue otherwise, wouldn't they?

Nobody's tripping all over themselves to persuade you.
I'm making FUN of you, never in my life will I have a thick enough skull to think that I could persuade someone who believes in fairy tales to make them happy, please get this straight.

But since you parrot this stupid atheist talking point, you want one reason? How about 66 reasons, written by 40 different people, over 2000 years and 3 continents?
66 reasons, written by 40 different people, over 2000 years and 3 continents, during a period which the natural world wasn't understood as it is today.

You basically just admitted that the only reason you believe in god as opposed to FSM is time spans and the word of humans who did not yet understand the natural world. Do you realize how wrong this is? You're taking beliefs from an era where people thought they would fall off the flatness of Earth. Sorry, you fall flat on your face with this reason - Any other good reasons Doc?

In other words, you're obsessed with what other people believe. Kind of creepy, if you ask me.
Reply has absolutely no correlation to what I said. If you can take a reading comprehension course and come up with a reply that's relevant to what was said, you can try again. I'll even quote what I said so if someone can decipher your meaning they may assist me.
Zimok stated: I care because the truth is important, did you ever stop to think how much religion hindered our progress over its existence? Maybe if forward thinking people wouldn't of been put to death for all our time we'd be marketing from another planet by now.


What a disgustingly disengenuous misrepresentation of the Pope's position. He doesn't oppose condoms because they 'don't protect' against AIDS. He opposes them because the Church encourages abstinence, and condoms encourage the exact opposite. Any other lies you wanna spread?
Thanks Emp for putting him in his place, although he doesn't even know what his place is - so funny.


The only countries that enforce religious thinking right now are all Muslim. But that would get in the way of your mindless Christianity-bashing.
I was referring to parents who put unknowing children through religion at a time where they can't think for themselves. You might of turned out better if your parents let you make this decision at a later age.


The majority of people taught from a young age? What world are you living in? The educational system in this country has purged Christianity from every nook and cranny, and now promotes your ridiculous religion, atheism. It's whats messed up this country so much in the first place. But I wouldn't expect a twisted mind like yours to understand that.
Atheism isn't being promoted, science MINUS religion is starting to be. That's great news though, I thought this was still an issue in the USA. I'll take your word with a 1/2 grain of salt however, seeing as you don't even know your position, sciences position or christianity's position.

All done, now shoo, this thread was starting to be productive after you left.
 
66 reasons, written by 40 different people, over 2000 years and 3 continents, during a period which the natural world wasn't understood as it is today.

"There's not a shred of difference between evidence for FSM and the Christian God. Wait...there is some difference, but the Bible doesn't count because the writers didn't know the Earth was round. "

Oh wait, that's wrong too.

"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth" - Isaiah 40:22
 
"There's not a shred of difference between evidence for FSM and the Christian God. Wait...there is some difference, but the Bible doesn't count because the writers didn't know the Earth was round. "

Oh wait, that's wrong too.

"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth" - Isaiah 40:22

So they thought the earth only had 2 dimensions?
 
Wow, I'm enjoying this thread!

I think most people would see it fair to have the 'believe what makes you happy' point, but its really not. Masses of people believing and following shit from 'ancient books' with not one single piece of evidence is not good. Its restrictive, controlling and in alot of ways - an excuse. Anybody defending religion by quoting paragraphs from bible is also a fucking idiot, EVEN IF these books were written in good faith (heh) in the beginning, with so many rewrites and translations they would see the chinese whisper effect - no doubt about it. Every religion (which has a God etc etc) is just as retarded as Scientology, its just there smart enough to make bank from it.

Don't get me wrong I used to believe in Christianity, then I grew up.
 
Wow, I'm enjoying this thread!

I think most people would see it fair to have the 'believe what makes you happy' point, but its really not. Masses of people believing and following shit from 'ancient books' with not one single piece of evidence is not good. Its restrictive, controlling and in alot of ways - an excuse. Anybody defending religion by quoting paragraphs from bible is also a fucking idiot, EVEN IF these books were written in good faith (heh) in the beginning, with so many rewrites and translations they would see the chinese whisper effect - no doubt about it. Every religion (which has a God etc etc) is just as retarded as Scientology, its just there smart enough to make bank from it.

Don't get me wrong I used to believe in Christianity, then I grew up.

You do know virtually every historian says Jesus was a real person who existed during the time said in the Bible? That's because there were Roman historians who recorded his existence, the stories of his 'miracles', and his followers persecutions.

That's just one corroboration, or 'evidence', of the Bible. But what you and other people like you are essentially saying is that people can only think what you want. I don't care what other people believe, while people like you literally don't want people to believe in the Bible because it's 'not good'. And according to you, it's mentally 'restrictive' and 'controlling'. Your viewpoint is rather disturbing, and quite frankly, borders on totalitarian.
 
the stories of his 'miracles',

I had an Indian friend who once said that there was a period in Jesus's life between the age of 20 - 30's (or something like that) where he went missing.

He went on to describe that he was wondering, got lost and ended up in India. Where he spent time with the high priests / guru's - where they taught him those magic tricks (higher awareness).

The guy was quite adamant about the story, as he said Hinduism came well before the Christ thing.

just googled this:
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(just throwing that aspect/tale out there..... nothing more......)
 
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