Crazy Fucker Tries To Break In And Gets Blasted

UnripeArbiter said:
I now know this...before your comment.

It doesn't matter as far as the law is concerned.

But, if he was simply an un-armed, desperate and high man looking for help in the wrong way by breaking into this women's house...while legal to kill him would it be the right thing to do?

Same scenario ^ but armed... shoot him.
Click to expand...

So what if he wasn't armed. If he is as high as a kite he would find a way to do some damage. I knew of a guy that was murdered by a hammer....the killer was high on meth....

to make things worse, the killer was at the wrong house, but that didn't seem to bother him at the time
 


Nostalgae said:
So when you say it is more likely to be murdered are you saying that proportionately 18,000 murders out of the entire US population is more than 824 accidental deaths out of all gun owners?

(I'm not disagreeing -- I don't know the numbers, I'm just asking how you decided that it is more likely to be murdered than shot accidentally.)



Ok so looking just at gun owners are they more likely to shoot themselves or be murdered? That info would only be useful if we also knew how many gun owners have successfully defended themselves from being murdered, is there any data available about that?
Click to expand...


According to DOJ Estimates, anywhere from 39% to 50% of the US population owns a gun personally (This does not include households that own guns where individuals under the same roof are not owners of guns).

This would give us a total population of 117 Million , to 150 million US residents that own guns.

So , out of those who owned guns , the rate of accidents for gun owners was on a low estimate of .000549% to .000704% while the rate of being murdered was .006 (Approximately 10 times higher).

Let's compare these numbers to a few other things.

There are 41,821 auto accidents a year.
Deaths from Cancer : 559,888
Deaths from street drug overdoses : 16,000
Death from Suicides : 33,000

So , you are actually 40 times more likely to hate your self enough to commit suicide , than you are to accidentally be killed, or kill someone due to negligent firearm usage.
 
FUCK THAT GUY.

got what he deserved. I am amazed at the PUSSY-FICATION of AMERICA. If more people protected themselves we would have less assholes running wild and then they might think twice about stealing from someone else.
 
greenleaves said:
@ UnripeArbiter

DOn't you ever get tired of being wrong on this thread? Just fees up to it, and stop making bullshit excuses. Pussy
Click to expand...

I "fees" up when I'm wrong... (I have in this thread)

I don't follow...

-------------

If someone were to hog tie a man and throw him through the front window of a house, most people (the asses in this thread) would shoot the guy as he landed on the floor. It's black and white for them, they shoot to kill no matter what as long as they are breaking in. (if you wouldn't shoot a man hog tied on your floor, then you recognize the shades of grey, congrats.)

Whatever.
 
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7jqLie6-Y0"]YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPuM_XAo2BE"]YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.[/ame]

What do you think about this 911 call shooting.

I think the Grandma case is understandable. Enough chit chat.
 
Wooo Hooo Joe Horn!! Glad he busted those scumbags - preying on other people's property because they too cool to get a job at McDonalds. Fuckin filthy pigs...
 
The Joe Horn tape is definitely more controversial than the first video so Unripe might have an easier time defending the robbers without sounding like a complete retard this time.

Joe Horn is my hero and I'm sure he prevented many crimes from happening in the future.
 
cryptix said:
Wooo Hooo Joe Horn!! Glad he busted those scumbags - preying on other people's property because they too cool to get a job at McDonalds. Fuckin filthy pigs...
Click to expand...

He didn't just bust them...he killed them.

Was his life or "castle" in immediate danger?

These robbers should expect something like this to happen...but still being killed in not just punishment (IMO) for robbery...

Being shot and killed is only justified (IMO) when the life of the victim is threatened. This is my personal opinion. Based on nothing else, but me performing thought. No law, bible, ideology, etc.

If the crime being committed (assuming it's a crime with an actual victim) isn't threatening the life of a person...then that person deserves a sentence in prison, not death.

("there ain't no property worth shooting someone over." :24)

Yes, the grandma case was clearly righteous. (only made clear once I found out the guy had a gun.)

All life has value. Don't make these judgments lightly.
 
I wish there were more people like Joe Horn.

The more often robbers are killed, the more often they'll think twice before robbing someone.
 
@ UnripeArbiter

Have you ever been robed? Has anyone ever broken into your house? Have you ever had a gun put to your head or to your wife/child's head? I'm curious.

And excuse me for the spelling mistake. It is clear that the laws of the interwebz dictate that once a spelling mistake is made, the argument of the person with a spelling mistake is completely mute and your argument wins by default. It is done, you no longer look like a tard for defending an insane home invader over a innocent terrified older woman.

P.S. you never fessed up, you keep defending the guy 'because if he didn't have a gun, the woman had no right to kill him'. I'm guessing you will wait until you can frisk a guy down before you shoot him.
 
greenleaves said:
@ UnripeArbiter

Have you ever been robed? Has anyone ever boken into your house? Have you ever had a gun put to your head? I'm currious.
Click to expand...

No.

You guys are silly... you don't even know what my position is.

My position is...life has value. Think before you kill. Simple as that.

Yes, if my life was in immediate danger, I'd kill too...but I don't think I'd have killed these robbers. Maaaaaaybe, shoot them in the legs or something.

But stealing isn't worthy of death...

Let me ask you something...have you ever stolen something?

------

edit: yes, I have been robed before. But, overall, I don't like to wear robes.
 
He didn't just bust them...he killed them.
Click to expand...
No they died. They tried to rob someone and he tried to stop them. They died when he tried to stop them. So I presume you rather he risk his life on the chance that they aren't armed. Have you ever stopped a criminal? Do you know how hard it is to stop a thug? People who stop criminals are good people. He didn't try to kill them, he tried to stop them. Man:
Civilians over criminals any time.

I agree, a court shouldn't put them to death for robing. But if you have to use deadly force to get them to stop, so be it.

I once saw a thug break into my neighbors house. The thug saw me tell my neighbors (I called them right infront of their house and they came out, he saw everything). He almost killed me (I had to run for my life with the guy behind me screaming rat). I'm sad I didn't have a gun that day, because if I did, I wouldn't have let my neighbors know, and almost got killed, I would have simply shot the guy. If he died, so fucking what, no one forced him to try and break in.

Dealing with thugs is dangerous. People get killed. Both the thugs and the civilians. Same with cops and thugs. Excuse me if I take joy in seeing civilians win, if only one out of 2. And excuse me for getting upset with pussies like you who seem to think I should put my life in danger to possible save the life of a thug (that is what you are saying by saying shoot to injure, or wait to see if you can frisk him to see if he has a gun, because that is the only way to know if somenone is armed, life isn't the movies, not everyone has their gun visible). You suck man, and one of the good things about America (there aren't many left), is that dumb shits like you are the minority.
 
and UnripeArbiter, you are right life is valuable that is why you CAN'T ask people to risk their lives by:

Asking them to Verify if the home invader is armed.
Asking people to shoot to injure.

You really have to understand, from a point of view of any person knowing anything about self/home defense, that those statements are idiotic and would ONLY be said by someone who has no fucking idea about the topic.

Also, you have to understand that asking people that give the thugs an unfair advantage because THUGS won't verify if you are armed and won't shoot to injure. So why should I?
 
greenleaves said:
No they died. They tried to rob someone and he tried to stop them. They died when he tried to stop them. So I presume you rather he risk his life on the chance that they aren't armed. Have you ever stopped a criminal? Do you know how hard it is to stop a thug? People who stop criminals are good people. He didn't try to kill them, he tried to stop them. Man:
Civilians over criminals any time.
Click to expand...

He didn't "try" to stop them. He did. He killed them. He fired two shots and two people died.... He wasn't trying to stop them, he was trying to kill them.

And how would him just staying in his house be "risking his life".

greenleaves said:
I agree, a court shouldn't put them to death for robing. But if you have to use deadly force to get them to stop, so be it.
Click to expand...

No one should be put to death for putting a robe on or robbing someone, I agree.

greenleaves said:
I once saw a thug break into my neighbors house. The thug saw me tell my neighbors (I called them right infront of their house and they came out, he saw everything). He almost killed me (I had to run for my life with the guy behind me screaming rat). I'm sad I didn't have a gun that day, because if I did, I wouldn't have let my neighbors know, and almost got killed, I would have simply shot the guy. If he died, so fucking what, no one forced him to try and break in.
Click to expand...

Maybe... stay in your house where they can't see you? (I almost guarantee you would have been safe)

Call the cops?

You didn't have a gun so that would have been the best and smartest thing you could have done.

Instead...you almost get yourself killed. You think it's because you didn't have a gun, I say it's because you didn't stay in your house and were dumb.

greenleaves said:
Dealing with thugs is dangerous. People get killed. Both the thugs and the civilians. Same with cops and thugs. Excuse me if I take joy in seeing civilians win, if only one out of 2. And excuse me for getting upset with pussies like you who seem to think I should put my life in danger to possible save the life of a thug (that is what you are saying by saying shoot to injure, or wait to see if you can frisk him to see if he has a gun, because that is the only way to know if somenone is armed, life isn't the movies, not everyone has their gun visible). You suck man, and one of the good things about America (there aren't many left), is that dumb shits like you are the minority.
Click to expand...

Dumb shits like me voted in our president. You should be scared.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom