Do you fight?

As soon as I get through the divorce and some other shit it is on my bucket list to go jump in the cage 3 times (so I know I am not a 1 hit wonder) Will most likely train at AZ Combat Sports, perhaps you have something like it in your area.



EDIT: To clarify... I am not talking UFC.. I am talking local amatuer events such as Rage In the Cage.
 


slickcooldude said:
here's the problem with training like that - you are being taught how to fight someone one on one in a controlled environment. you are learning under no real threat of danger, and the adrenaline high you get when fighting in a ring and getting a street fight are totally different.

i have seen friends of mine who have never got a second of training beat up people who have been training for years. the mentality that you have for street fighting is much different then that of a controlled fight, and the only thing that goes through your head is "it's either me or him".

sorry for being the negative nancy.
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A while back we had this one guy who does MMA underground stuff get booked in. He fought a lot. Tall black guy, about 6'3, about 190 or so. Not real big, but lean and strong. Had an anger issue.

Went to a mod, thought he was Billy Badass. After a day or so, he started thinking that he ran shit, controlling the phones and so on with a few other black guys.

Well, he did something to piss off one of the mexicans, who never fight alone unless it's with each other. The mexican backs down, gets with a friend of his and they decide to solve their problem.

The second mexican walks up to the big black guy and slaps him while he's sitting down at a table. Big guy jumps up, faces off against the lil mexican dude. While he's doing this, the first mexican comes up behind the big dude and, while holding one of our very hard plastic cups in his hand like a rock, jumps off a table and hits the black guy on the back of his head as hard as he can. Big guy hits the ground and they both kick him while he's trying to cover up until we can get more officers in to break it up.

Big guy ended up needing stitches on the back of his head. Mexicans hurt their feet.

While a street fight can be like a ring fight, they can change up real fast. And when they do, the winner's the one who keeps his situational awareness.
 
I did Karate and Kung Fu untill I got too old and fat. Now just TaiChi. My Tai Chi workout buddy is an ex prison guard who studied mostly Akido. Doesn't really matter what style you train as long as you train often enough to keep your reflexes and strength up. If a weapon is available, use it - a stick, a bottle, even a car key will work. Depend on the basics when the shit hits the fan.
 
slickcooldude said:
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and to the people who are saying use weapons - don't ever pull out a weapon unless you are fully willing to use it.
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amen. got my ccw in UT and NV last year and have done extensive firearms training. guns are a lot like any other martial arts weapons training. can't just buy one and expect to be a badass.

took hours of stress simulation range work just to get to the point where i could think clearly and perceive what was going on around me while drawing/shooting. never mind reloading, dealing with misfeeds, etc.
 
i'm in no way saying that starting to train is anything stupid because done right, you will be in the best shape of your entire life. but if you are doing it just for the mentality that you are billy badass, you are going to get a real rude awakening when you get into a real situation on the streets.
 
DTAlexONE said:
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Lol just kidding. I don't advocate guns.
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I do. Get a permit to carry.
 
@slickcooldude in my experience most of the newbs drop that attitude within a few months. every sensei I have ever had would have fucked me up for showing ego or arrogance. IMO training takes that out of you - doesn't put it in you. particularly at good dojos. there's always someone better waiting to round kick you or choke you out.
 
slickcooldude said:
here's the problem with training like that - you are being taught how to fight someone one on one in a controlled environment. you are learning under no real threat of danger, and the adrenaline high you get when fighting in a ring and getting a street fight are totally different.

i have seen friends of mine who have never got a second of training beat up people who have been training for years. the mentality that you have for street fighting is much different then that of a controlled fight, and the only thing that goes through your head is "it's either me or him".

and to the people who are saying use weapons - don't ever pull out a weapon unless you are fully willing to use it. i've seen people pull bats out of their cars and one second of hesitation got them being beat down on the pavement with their own bat. same thing with guns - if you're going to pull a gun out on someone you better be damn willing to use it. yes, it's easy to say i would shoot someone but when push comes to shove, could you really pull the trigger?

sorry for being the negative nancy.
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This. I learned on the streets son
 
It goes to the ground but he won't necessarily try to put you in a submission. He'll mount you. If you know what you're doing at the bottom, you can escape when the guy mounts you.
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BJJ = prison defense FTW
 
I train Muay Thai, and I highly recommend if you are looking for something that will put you through grueling workouts, and as mentioned above most likely the best shape of your life. It is also IMO one of the most effective for self-defense since, depending on what gym you're at of course, many guys are training to get inside the ring and slug it out. I've done many styles of martial arts throughout the years, including Kyokushin, and I haven't found anything as realistic and effective as MT (for standup fighting of course).

I don't recommend Krav Maga for the same reason I don't really recommend any quick self-defense/CQC type training. In order for anything to be effective in a street/self defense situation it has to be second nature to you, it has to come from muscle memory. The reason is that once you are in a stressful situation where your adrenaline is pumping hard you and throws are getting swung as hard as possible to hurt each other badly, you aren't going to think about what "move" you learned in class, nor will you have the time to. In addition to that point, you will NOT be able to successfully complete moves that require strict precision (ie. any type of precise grabs/joint manipulation) unless you train this for a LONG time and practice it in stressful situations, this is due to your adrenaline pumping, the first thing to go is your precision when this happens.

For that reason, I recommend Muay Thai, because it focuses on a relatively small base of techniques (compared to some other arts) that you can train hundreds of times in high-intensity situations and get to the point where they become second nature/instant reaction.
 
Kraw Maga is actually pretty effective. I used to train and we would go out in the street and train in the real environment for using it.

Did not particularly like training to fall down on concrete though.
 
Martial arts is useless without the right mindset. Growing up in Serbia I saw a 15 year old fight off 4 19 years olds, one of whom slammed a brick into the back of his head. How'd he do it? Simple: he became a beast. In a street tumble, especially against multiple people, you can't sit back and think about what to do. You have to be an animal, always moving with the intent of inflicting maximum damage. Fuck self-preservation. You know how much damage the human body can take? The last one standing is the winner. Also, remember, no shame in running. If they get the jump on you with 4 guys, fucking run for it. There is no pride in sticking around and getting your teeth beaten out of your head.
 
Real street fights are completely different to MMA.

By the time you take a person down or get into guard you'll get stabbed or kicked in the balls 10 times. You can just see that there are a lot of badass wannabes here.

Learn krav maga if you want to protect yourself. Real fights are about surviving.

But if you want to learn MMA you have to know that this a sport. So many moves are illegal that even Rorion Gracie, the orignial founder think it's not fighting.

But if you really want to protect yourself instead of trying to be a macho man get a gun. (shoot them in the legs so you won't go to jail)
 
Krav Maga. Hands down.

The Army may be implementing MMA intramural level athletics throughout the ranks, but at the end of the day- Krav Maga is what the Special Forces, Navy SEAL teams, USAF Pararescue & CCT, USMC Force Recon, etc. are taught at some point in their H2H training.

And, typically, if they are rotating into the Stan or IZ sandboxes via a predeployment stint at Ft Dix- it comes from these guys: http://www.israelikrav.com/ (based out of Hamilton, NJ. They do weekend-long seminars in addition to weekly classes).

I've trained locally at Front Street Gym and the Marian Anderson Rec Center here in Philadelphia for the Golden Gloves (having picked up boxing as an intramural sport at The Citadel) and I'll be the first to tell you- boxing has NOTHING to do with what happens in real life.

BJJ will teach you lots of implementable ground game- but if your fight gets to the ground that is a nasty worst-case scenario.

Krav Maga is the way to go. Period. The Israelis don't fuck around.
 
I did BJJ in high school, before it was cool to do, years later I just carry a firearm where legal.

Plus I haven't been in a fight since high school so all of that stuff seems pointless.
 
If anyone ever has the chance to learn Silat, then I'd suggest you take that. Silat was formed in the 1600's by Indonesians. It isn't so much about fighting as it is survival. Most of the moves aren't designed to get away, they're designed to maximize damage to your adversary, and in most cases execute damage to various pressure points...death.

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