Do you Spy for good ideas?

Michael_ said:
Yes, please, tell me more about how hiring some dude to program your product and him stringing you a long, for months, in order to build (and complete) your competition and be first to market is an "excuse."

As the story goes, by the time they realized they were getting completely fucked over, by the guy who was supposed to be building their product (read: their execution), it was already too late. facebook was already up, running, and taking members, while the other guys still had months of coding to get done.

If it was a fair playing field, then sure, your bullshit line of "Excuses /= Execution" may hold some water, but it was anything but.
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At some point this conversation could turn to, do we admire MZ for making himself money (if so, he deserves his own Mount Rushmore) or do we admire him for business innovation and changing the world ... okay, but he did cash out at $38!

So he's fantastically rich guy and did it with questionable ethics. Personally, I think he's a shitty CEO. Anyone thinking he fucked over the Henry Winkler twins should stop and consider how hard he fucked over his own shareholders on the IPO - FB would have had to cure cancer to push and keep that stock above $40.

FB is a giant circle jerk of time wasters. That's his legacy. So fuck him.
 


Kiopa_Matt said:
Except for the fact he can buy & own any of us at anytime of his choosing.
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I'm for sale if that's what he wants. That still doesn't undo anything I said.

If Steve Jobs was worth $1B and MZ worth $15B - does this mean disregard one because the other could buy/sell him? No fucking way.

MZ made himself bank. And his ego is a hefty opportunity cost for any clown who invests in his stock, as long as he insists on running it like a feudal overlord.

I think the term is he's outpunted his coverage - the S&P 500 is practically lapping FB. (But he made himself billions and we haven't, so we speak with him in hushed tones of awe? Really?)
 
infoslob said:
At some point this conversation could turn to, do we admire MZ for making himself money (if so, he deserves his own Mount Rushmore) or do we admire him for business innovation and changing the world ... okay, but he did cash out at $38!

So he's fantastically rich guy and did it with questionable ethics. Personally, I think he's a shitty CEO. Anyone thinking he fucked over the Henry Winkler twins should stop and consider how hard he fucked over his own shareholders on the IPO - FB would have had to cure cancer to push and keep that stock above $40.

FB is a giant circle jerk of time wasters. That's his legacy. So fuck him.
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Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I was more trying to point out the absurdity of K-Noop, who appears to justify theft by writing it off as poor execution.

As for MZ, he's simply a prime example of how having zero morals or ethics can make you one of the richest and most powerful people on the planet.
 
Michael_ said:
Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I was more trying to point out the absurdity of K-Noop, who appears to justify theft by writing it off as poor execution.

As for MZ, he's simply a prime example of how having zero morals or ethics can make you one of the richest and most powerful people on the planet.
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Oh i'm not justifying theft, now you're just putting words in my mouth.

I'm pointing out that giving up because someone "stole your idea" is a poor excuse. If it's your destiny to execute the idea, then you should be able to do it better than the person who stole your idea.

That's why it's obvious to me that Zuckerburg had the vision and turned Facebook into something the winkledouche twins could never have imagined.

My buddy founded a startup back in 2010 with a friend. He came up with the "idea", she had business and marketing connects. 6 months later, they decide to put the company, Company A, on paper. My buddy gets screwed over and is offered 5%, even though "He came up with the idea".

Guess what my buddy did? He rejected the offer and decided to create his own company, Company B. Company A had a 6 month start on him (much like Zuckerburg/Winkledouches).

Fast forward to today, Company A is almost out of business and Company B, my buddies company, is thriving.

Why didn't he give up? Like the Winkle's, someone pretty much stole his idea and had a 6 month head start.

He didn't give up because he could execute the idea better.

He did just that and i'm sure Company A is sorely regretting that 5% equity offer.
 
infoslob said:
At some point this conversation could turn to, do we admire MZ for making himself money (if so, he deserves his own Mount Rushmore) or do we admire him for business innovation and changing the world ... okay, but he did cash out at $38!

So he's fantastically rich guy and did it with questionable ethics. Personally, I think he's a shitty CEO. Anyone thinking he fucked over the Henry Winkler twins should stop and consider how hard he fucked over his own shareholders on the IPO - FB would have had to cure cancer to push and keep that stock above $40.

FB is a giant circle jerk of time wasters. That's his legacy. So fuck him.
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Lol, on what basis is he a shitty CEO? Because he IPO'd? That's a stupid reason to call him a shitty CEO.

He didn't fuck over his existing share holders on the IPO, just the ones who bought into the IPO. And if that's your issue, blame the banks who were hired to Execute the IPO. Do you really think Zuckerburg was sitting around in his office all day plotting how to screw people over in the IPO?

As for the health of Facebook, it's stellar. They have the most valuable data on the internet and are starting to monetize it incredibly well.

Sounds like you're just a hater. What, you mad that Facebook keeps disapproving your diet ads?
 
K-Noop said:
Oh i'm not justifying theft, now you're just putting words in my mouth.
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What? maybe I'm reading someone else's posts, because your posts are all basically saying, "MZ stole their idea and it's ok because he's a visionary. The theft is no big deal, they should just execute better to overcome adversity."

Could they have tried to continue on and compete? Sure. If they really wanted to launch their shit, they could have. But it still doesn't justify the theft.

But whatever, I don't care. If you're cool with theft and think MZ was completely justified, that's your business.
 
Michael_ said:
Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I was more trying to point out the absurdity of K-Noop, who appears to justify theft by writing it off as poor execution.

As for MZ, he's simply a prime example of how having zero morals or ethics can make you one of the richest and most powerful people on the planet.
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Understood. And I was in agreement with you; was just looking for ways to work in some Zuck-hate while catching as little "HE CAN BY AND SELL YUO!1!!" flack as possible.

Ever criticize Warren Buffett? In some quarters this is like declaring jihad against puppies.
 
Michael_ said:
What? maybe I'm reading someone else's posts, because your posts are all basically saying, "MZ stole their idea and it's ok because he's a visionary. The theft is no big deal, they should just execute better to overcome adversity."

Could they have tried to continue on and compete? Sure. If they really wanted to launch their shit, they could have. But it still doesn't justify the theft.

But whatever, I don't care. If you're cool with theft and think MZ was completely justified, that's your business.
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So now we're going to pay people out because they had the "idea" first? If you can't build it, learn to. They took an easy road instead of working in the trenches and getting dirty.

He didn't steal anything, he wrote the code and launched it. First to market wins.
 
Try thinking a bit differently. Ideas are just potential problem solvers.
Notice the "potential". On their own, as said, they don't count for much.

I'm not sure for anyone else, but REALLY good ideas out of the blue, when you are NOT in the process of solving a problem are really rare.

However, when you identify a problem, either a software problem or found a problem that could be served better, you get a hundred ideas as to how to solve it.

And as skohh already said, while there is a line somewhere, some people cross it way to far and it goes from a "spark my brain to give me more ideas" to an all-out idea hunt without mercy.

In essence, ideas will come to you when you have a problem you want to solve.
Just find a problem that isn't solved yet or you think you could solve it better than the other guy.
 
K-Noop said:
Lol, on what basis is he a shitty CEO? Because he IPO'd? That's a stupid reason to call him a shitty CEO.
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Stock price.

lols are far and few between from shareholders. He engineered about the biggest IPO flop in recent memory and has since not been able to keep anywhere near the S&P 500.

If I, as a potential investor, thought he could make me money - then I'd think more of him as a CEO. As it stands, I think he's a pretty huge liability for $FB.

I'd like your explanation as to why he's a good CEO. Is it his fear of public speaking, perhaps?
 
infoslob said:
Stock price.

lols are far and few between from shareholders. He engineered about the biggest IPO flop in recent memory and has since not been able to keep anywhere near the S&P 500.

If I, as a potential investor, thought he could make me money - then I'd think more of him as a CEO.

I'm willing for you to explain why he's a good CEO. Is it his fear of public speaking, perhaps?
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Once again, blame the banks if you're pissed off about how the IPO went down.

As far as why Mark Zuckerburg is a great CEO: Chief Executive Officer.
 
Johnathan said:
So now we're going to pay people out because they had the "idea" first? If you can't build it, learn to. They took an easy road instead of working in the trenches and getting dirty.

He didn't steal anything, he wrote the code and launched it. First to market wins.
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So, basically, if I hire a guy to develop an app for me and he feeds me lines of bullshit for months and then releases the exact same app under his name/company, that's a-ok? You really don't see anything wrong with that? lol L2code?

Who knew there were so many morally bankrupt people on WF.
 
Michael_ said:
So, basically, if I hire a guy to develop an app for me and he feeds me lines of bullshit for months and then releases the exact same app under his name/company, that's a-ok? You really don't see anything wrong with that? lol L2code?

Who knew there were so many morally bankrupt people on WF.
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Morally bankrupt? There wasn't any "official" hiring, you do realize that? He didn't sign a NDA, or contract. Regardless of the legal bindings he was hired as a freelancer to work on a project that he decided to build himself, saw an opportunity and seized it.

I hire people all the time but I take steps to reduce the possibility of something like this happening to me, they could have done the same.

Edit: When you don't take measures to elimate the risk of IP theft you don't know what you're doing. And yes, I say learn to code because Mark Cuban himself claims he learned to code enough to work on his own project. Oh my, what an idea.
 
K-Noop said:
Once again, blame the banks if you're pissed off about how the IPO went down.

As far as why Mark Zuckerburg is a great CEO: Chief Executive Officer.
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Blame the banks? What? Was Zuckerburg in a vegetative state when FB had a $100 billion valuation? That was pre-road show build up to the IPO, where the valuation went from $50B to $80B then $100B in the course of a year. What kind of reckless bullshit was that? Of course, if you knew the character of the Chief EXECUTIVE Officer of Facebook, you knew he had a distinct history of looking out for No. 1 at the expense of others - so that $50 billion valuation increase just in time for the IPO could have been construed as direct payment to the top ranks of the Forbes list for Mr. Z. It was about the greediest corporate grab we'll ever see.

Secondly, I'm personally angry about none of this. If anything, just slightly smug my views were vindicated. Again, that valuation is at least a decade long stink bomb. And his biggest fans got burnt. lol.
 
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