Draons Den: Guy wants to compete with PayPal - Gets flamed badly by O'Leary

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I hate PayPal so much that I was hoping he'd get funded, but of course Kevin had to completely destroy his soul. lol

Not a bad idea to target PayPal's lower-end market though...
 


How does O'Leary account for companies that are eating Paypal's profits, like Stripe and Square? Are they being fried like chickens in a microwave?

The idea that "X has 90% of the market, so X can't have a competitor" is incredibly idiotic. With that logic, companies like Google wouldn't exist.

He is right about one thing though - this is not the guy who'll beat Paypal.
 
Wow, those dragons are cringe-worthy, hard to believe they are successful with their mindset.

Good luck to the little guy.
 
lol, he's such a cunt. Even has to get one last jab in while the guy in walking away. "Henry, watch out for big feet from the sky!"
 
I would love to see some competition in that arena.
No one is too big to tackle though. He is probably friends with whoever currently is running it.
 
On both Dragons Den and Shark Tank I noticed that the investors suck when it comes to evaluating internet ideas. I was hoping they'd ask him a relevant question, like:

- Who programmed it and what language was used? What programming standards were used to ensure maximum security and encryption? What's his monthly traffic? How many users does he have in his database? How does his service compare to other players in the industry such as 2checkout, moneybookers, Google checkout, etc...

but instead they just decided to flame him based on his 2k/month sales volume. (which I think is not bad considering he was a newcomer with very little dollars spent in advertising)
 
True cunts. But they have a point.

He'd need 7-8 digits to have any hope of competing. This is a critical mass thing, if he doesn't have it, it won't take off. And to gain critical mass you need deep pockets backing you.
 
Apart from the somehow interesting approach, he built a boring website with a stock photo on homepage and the logo, well, let's just say that it looks generic:
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When you want to compete at such a high level, that website design is everything but original.
 
Yea probably one of the worst ideas you could come up with. Waste of 75k IMO but hey, best of luck to him. i PRAY for the day PayPal is knocked from its #1 spot and destroyed.

come on stripe/bitcoin/square !

having 2k a month in $$$ flow through your unknown site is pretty impressive for that niche IMO. All he would have to really do is whois a list of the top 100,000 online businesses he wanted to target and email/reach out to them all. even if at least like 5% responded and even less agreed to process $$$ through him, he could grow decently.
 
On one hand none of us are as rich as the guys/gals on shark tank or the canadian version, so what do we know ? LOL, however on the other hand, OLeary has to be the dumbest one on the entire show....He's always negative, prob bottom on the totum pole when it comes to closing deals on the show- cuz no one goes on there wanting to work with him, most want to work with cuban, the fubu guy or the qvc girl/mrs.skeletor...

he's funny,kind of like the tamer/lamer version of american idol's simon cowell...so i always take his "advice" with a grain of salt.....
 
LOL, however on the other hand, OLeary has to be the dumbest one on the entire show.

Except for apart from Cuban, he's the richest investor on both shows (I think).

Maybe in order to become a billionaire, he decided it was best to be a cunt, instead of allow his time to be wasted.
 
I think he's paid himself $1000 an hour for the coding too. That's how he arrived at $75k of investment.
 
On both Dragons Den and Shark Tank I noticed that the investors suck when it comes to evaluating internet ideas. I was hoping they'd ask him a relevant question, like:

- Who programmed it and what language was used? What programming standards were used to ensure maximum security and encryption? What's his monthly traffic? How many users does he have in his database? How does his service compare to other players in the industry such as 2checkout, moneybookers, Google checkout, etc...

but instead they just decided to flame him based on his 2k/month sales volume. (which I think is not bad considering he was a newcomer with very little dollars spent in advertising)

Those are good questions, but at the end of the day they are looking at the financial side of things, not the technical.

Investors are only concerned about the bottom dollar - can they make money off it or not. When he is paying himself $60 per month, why on earth would they sink $100,000 into it.....
 
I can remember when PayPal was first launched.

Everyone was saying that there is NO WAY PayPal could compete in the online payment system.

They were saying that PayPal would go belly up within 6 months of their launch.


Now look at the Little BEAST!!


Lulz


O'Leary is VERY savvy with his Investments. I agree with his style completely.

He wants to LET OTHERS WORK and just sit back and collect Royalties, Licensing Fees, or Profit Sharing.

He has NO DESIRE to get actively involved in anything that he has to do more than just "Set It and FORGET It".


Best way to make money in "my" opinion.
 
On both Dragons Den and Shark Tank I noticed that the investors suck when it comes to evaluating internet ideas. I was hoping they'd ask him a relevant question, like:

- Who programmed it and what language was used? What programming standards were used to ensure maximum security and encryption? What's his monthly traffic? How many users does he have in his database? How does his service compare to other players in the industry such as 2checkout, moneybookers, Google checkout, etc...

but instead they just decided to flame him based on his 2k/month sales volume. (which I think is not bad considering he was a newcomer with very little dollars spent in advertising)

As far as I know these guys are grilled for hours usually and you get to see 15 minutes of it cut. Remember that the goal of the show is to get viewers not ask good business questions. What do you think will get more viewers? Rich assholes having a go at people or actual business sense and questions?

Why do you think the apprentice switched to using celebrities?

The world is not made up of people interested in learning about business and money. It's made up of people wanting to watch drama.
 
How does O'Leary account for companies that are eating Paypal's profits, like Stripe and Square? Are they being fried like chickens in a microwave?

The idea that "X has 90% of the market, so X can't have a competitor" is incredibly idiotic. With that logic, companies like Google wouldn't exist.

He is right about one thing though - this is not the guy who'll beat Paypal.

That's not what they're saying, what they're saying is that he doesn't have a value proposition given Paypal's dominance.

Why would someone use his service instead of Paypal? It does exactly the same thing, except probably has a tiny percentage of the features, given the investment to date.

Stripe and Square are totally different, and innovative. All he was doing was trying to remove their 30 cent fee. Something which only really affects small transactions in any noticeable way. I'm trying to even remember the last time I used paypal to send someone less than $5-10...

He also made ridiculous claims that immediately destroy credibility, like saying he's built the most secure payment processor on the net with his investment to date, which was sub 6, let alone 7 figures.

They summed it up perfectly, he's not the guy that's going to disrupt paypal.

On both Dragons Den and Shark Tank I noticed that the investors suck when it comes to evaluating internet ideas. I was hoping they'd ask him a relevant question, like:

- Who programmed it and what language was used? What programming standards were used to ensure maximum security and encryption? What's his monthly traffic? How many users does he have in his database? How does his service compare to other players in the industry such as 2checkout, moneybookers, Google checkout, etc...

but instead they just decided to flame him based on his 2k/month sales volume. (which I think is not bad considering he was a newcomer with very little dollars spent in advertising)

Why is the programmer/language relevant? Why should an investor know specific programming languages, or about encryption methodology? They're investors, not developers. It either works or it doesn't.

Monthly traffic is irrelevant if no one signs up / uses it. Users in his database, sure, slightly more relevant, as you can at least market to them.

It was his fault then for only trying to compete with Paypal on price. How the hell are you going to compete with an industry giant on price alone? Does he even economics?

His $2k/month sales volume is also pathetic, remember that's not commission, but total transaction volume. I transmit more than that a month through my Paypal account and I'm one person. His commission on that $2k is a pretty laughable ~$58.

In summary: no value proposition, weak USP, no traction, no revenue, idiotic comments proving his lack of knowledge of payment security. Entirely deserved to get flamed out of the room. He needs someone to wake him up and stop him from throwing more of his hard earned cash into some ridiculous dream that will never make him a penny. Unfortunately he's not in a mindset where he's willing to accept that. The best thing he can do is shut down the business and start something else.