EXPELLED -How Schools Are Hiding Real Science.

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If you separate intelligent design from the religious aspect then fine you have theory, I have a theory, we all do. That's not what happens. Your argument is that they have holes in their theory that they won't admit to. Fine, I can agree with that. You want to replace it with a theory that is one big hole because it's made up with no science behind it. Just your use that micro evolution has been proven means that there is a good chance that scientist are on the right track with macro evolution. It might be wrong but it swings more in the way of evolution that intelligent design.

Science is not about having answers. Science is about finding answers and you start that with a theory. You either prove or disprove that theory and move on. Is their politic in today's science world? Sure there is just like with everything else in life. But over all they stick to their basic principles, trying to find answers. If a scientist believes in intelligent design it's his job to try to prove that theory but using science principles. If he can't do that then you don't get to teach it in schools.
 


I'm looking forward to watching it but I think its so annoying how people refer to the theory of evolution and Darwinism as "science." So the docu will probably piss me off in the end.
 
When you have a house that's built on sand, it doesn't matter how big the house is. It will fall. But you see the house is just to big and has to many political and social implication. So its protected very well. Even know something as simple as a cell will crumble the whole system (if you look at it with an open mind). Academic freedom will crumble this big house. I personally know professors who had to pretend they were atheist to get ahead.
There is lots of scientists who want to publish and show evidence and theories. They are black listed and not aloud to speak. Thats were the BIG HOLE is.
 
Rusky said:
When you have a house that's built on sand, it doesn't matter how big the house is. It will fall. But you see the house is just to big and has to many political and social implication. So its protected very well. Even know something as simple as a cell will crumble the whole system (if you look at it with an open mind). Academic freedom will crumble this big house. I personally know professors who had to pretend they were atheist to get ahead.
There is lots of scientists who want to publish and show evidence and theories. They are black listed and not aloud to speak. Thats were the BIG HOLE is.
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Nobody should be black listed if they have serious scientific point to make. If you look into the history of physics and the study of the atom even Einstein and his followers would black list people who disagreed but were proven right at the time. So I will agree that it does happen. But scientist who believe in intelligent design have a way to get their message out there easier than they did back then. They just have to prove that what they are saying has merit. Once they do that then it is a legit issue to teach in schools. Until then leave the schools alone.
 
Deliguy said:
I'm looking forward to watching it but I think its so annoying how people refer to the theory of evolution and Darwinism as "science." So the docu will probably piss me off in the end.
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like in the comment that was pointed out to me before in science a theory is a set of hypothesis that have been tested. They have been doing that with evolution for several decades now. It's still called a theory because it's not a 100% like a lot of things in science. Just because it has the theory tag does not man that it does not fall into the science category.
 
Blacktought see the video. Then tell me there is freedom in academia with this issue.
Ben tore apart Richard Dawkins author of "The God Delusion". Just keep your mind open and dont think everything is propaganda.
 
Rusky said:
When you have a house that's built on sand, it doesn't matter how big the house is. It will fall. But you see the house is just to big and has to many political and social implication. So its protected very well. Even know something as simple as a cell will crumble the whole system (if you look at it with an open mind). Academic freedom will crumble this big house. I personally know professors who had to pretend they were atheist to get ahead.
There is lots of scientists who want to publish and show evidence and theories. They are black listed and not aloud to speak. Thats were the BIG HOLE is.
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dude , are your retarded?
the only thing most scientists can achieve in their life is some recognition of their work. they won't 'protect' anything if they even slightly think it might be wrong. They will jump at anything they can to prove a new hypothesis.

The lack of any serious discussion for intelligent design is proof enough that it is BS.
 
Actually I'm downloading the video now to watch it. I have an open mind. I already said that all institutions have politics involved with them including academia. But just because one side is wrong doesn't make the other right.
 
Dude, did anyone even watch the PBS link? If you did, you guys wouldn't be having this discussion because there would be nothing to discuss.

"Intelligent Design" literally had their day in court. All they had to do was show supporting evidence for their hypotheses. But they couldn't. Why?

BECAUSE IT'S RELIGION.

nuff said.
 
Watch the documentary they talk about this court case.
By the way, why was a science question taken to court. Since when does court decide, whats science or not. Einstein would have had a laugh about this one.

Courts by the way have a dog in this fight. Why you say, well just think about it.
 
Well its religion, don't you get it. You cant have religion in schools. Thats the argument being put out. But clearly it is not about that.
 
Rusky said:
Watch the documentary they talk about this court case.
By the way, why was a science question taken to court. Since when does court decide, whats science or not. Einstein would have had a laugh about this one.

Courts by the way have a dog in this fight. Why you say, well just think about it.
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Again, obviously you didn't see the documentary. Ok here's the cliff notes:

Separation of church and state. You can't teach a religious doctrine like ID in public schools unless there is scientific merit. The teachers and parents brought the case against a Pennsylvania school board for trying to slip ID into the schools curriculum. The ID "scientists" weren't able to show ANY scientific evidence to support their theories therefore the courts decided them to all be morons (I kid I kid) and ruled in favor of the prosecution.
 
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