EXPELLED -How Schools Are Hiding Real Science.

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pat J said:
A stupid metaphor with no logic since static data has nothing to react with.



You must really enjoy the shitty taste in your mouth.. This is just assumptions without any factual support. If you really want to disprove the theory of evolution you should provide some evidence that evolution follows a path and can't break out of this path. Then, and only then, will anyone take you seriously when you say that micro and macroevolution is not the same thing.

All evidence speak against you so i would like to see what you have. Oh, right... The absence of evidence is NOT proof against a theory, which you like to think. E=mc2 can't explain black holes but it doesn't make it false.



I actually thought you were smart eli. Well, maybe you are but just not that educated? Since i guess you missed science class i will just give you the basics.

Hypothesis = Educated guess based on observation.
Theory = One or many explanations of one or many facts.
Law/Fact = Indisputable observations. Like.. gravity or evolution. We know it's there or have happened, we just don't know why (which is why a theory is needed).

In your list i can only find hypothesises. NO empirical facts at all. I mean, the whole fucking point with science IS to test and prove shit wrong. That is why we now know that those hypothesises on that list are wrong.

Science will never claim to have the absolute answer to anything. The closest we get are facts of reality. For all we know we could be a part of a big pink elephants LSD dream. But it's just a retarded claim that means nothing to us. Just like the belief in god.
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Okay show me its wrong, and that scientist actually have tests to prove this. Its never been done. Why assume its possible. (not science)
Why are you even talking. I mean I've been following up on this for years. Its really interesting stuff genetics. Please show me, or shut the f up.

FYI I'm not talking about belief in God. This whole thread is about your belief in Darwins Origins Of Life Scam, and how it gets stuffed in little minds since their in first grade.

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If you tell a lie long enough loud enough and often enough the people will believe it.?" Hitler.


Thats your world. Admit Darwins Origins of life is a scam. You dont have to believe in anything religious. Get science a fair chance and stop black listing other ideas from our universities and schools that will brake darwin.
 


This is Darwin covering his ASS, he just didnt know how big it was. Now its being covered for him.
But they didnt tell you this in school.

Darwin and Pasteur

By the middle of the 19th century Pasteur and other scientists discovered the theory of Biogenesis by demonstrating that living organisms do not arise spontaneously from non-living matter. In a letter to Joseph Dalton Hooker on February 1, 1871,[10]Charles Darwin made the suggestion that the original spark of life may have begun in a "warm little pond, with all sorts of ammonia and phosphoric salts, lights, heat, electricity, etc. present, so that a protein compound was chemically formed ready to undergo still more complex changes". He went on to explain that "at the present day such matter would be instantly devoured or absorbed, which would not have been the case before living creatures were formed."[11]
(What - is this not faith)

Please tell mePasteur was wrong, and darwin had scientific evidence.
 
Rusky said:
Admit Darwins Origins of life is a scam.
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Evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life. Darwins book is called "On The Origin of Species", and shows how life evolved after it origionally began (how it began is still not yet known). these are two fundimentally different things, just say if you don't understand the differences and I'm sure someone will explain it to you.

You still haven't commented on the link I posted ages ago that actually show evolution in action, I'll post it one last time:

iTWire - Evolutionary trajectory of complex traits observed
 
Rusky said:
Okay show me its wrong, and that scientist actually have tests to prove this. Its never been done. Why assume its possible. (not science)
Why are you even talking. I mean I've been following up on this for years. Its really interesting stuff genetics. Please show me, or shut the f up.

FYI I'm not talking about belief in God. This whole thread is about your belief in Darwins Origins Of Life Scam, and how its get stuffed in little minds since their in first grade.
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I'm not supposed to show you anything. You are the one assuming that micro and macro are different from eachother for no real reason. Most likely wishful thinking.

Again, NO evidence exists that says that small changes over time have to follow a specific pattern. Actually, all the evidence found so far speaks against your claim.
 
I thought I already did. You must not have read my posts. Someone can explain how that works for you too.

Dude what are talking about. Have you tried going against the current for once in your life. I suppose species isnt life.
 
pat J said:
I'm not supposed to show you anything. You are the one assuming that micro and macro are different from eachother for no real reason. Most likely wishful thinking.

Again, NO evidence exists that says that small changes over time have to follow a specific pattern. Actually, all the evidence found so far speaks against your claim.
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I'm not going to name call here. But you truly are an ape. Maybe Darwin was right about you.
Just close you're eyes and dont see it.
 
Rusky said:
I'm not going to name call here. But you truly are an ape. Maybe Darwin was right about you.
Just close you're eyes and dont see it.
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As i suspected. Nothing but bullshit. Can i offer you a mint?
 
BluueJammm or Zombie Guy you too Pat J, were not going to come to an agreement Im sure. But it was fun.

FYI - He was wrong on Both (Guessed on Origins and Evolution has only been seen and can be proven in modern science on a micro level)

Now lets go do some marketing. Will continue this in another tread Im sure later.
 
Here's what I don't like about evolutionists. They scream at the top of their lungs that they have the answer and everyone else is full of shit. Congrats guys, you are in a group with PITA fucktards, religious nuts, ACLU protestors, gay rights parades and all those guests on Jerry Springer. If you're so fucking educated, learn to get your point across without forcing it on other people.

Now here is the truth as I see it ... there are 3 possibilities on how life began

1. some omnipotent being waved their magic wand and made it so
2. the aliens sent dna of many different animals to our planet to seed population
3. bang, it just happened. Something to do with energy created life

I think it's totally ok for people to believe whatever they want on this topic as, from a distance, all three explinations sound like a farce.

The truth is that we just simply don't know. We just can't wrap our feeble little human minds around this one. It's totally ok, we weren't here at the beginning. Say it with me everyone "I do not know" and stop trying to explain everything away. TBH: It doesn't matter that much, we're here now and arguing about the specifics when we are ignorant about the topic is a waste of time.

So everyone go their separate ways and do "research" to support your theory. Tell kids that wolly mammoths "evolved" into elephants in the schools, but don't even touch things like the big bang and creationism. Everyone's mind will be changed in a few years anyways.

pat J said:
Law/Fact = Indisputable observations. Like.. gravity or evolution.
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Gravity, sure ... evolution in the fashion that little rats go underground and after many generations become blind, ok. But definitely not evolution meaning "how did life begin". That's not a fact. HarveyJ has been your best proponent on this one in this thread with those awesome articles but it's still a stretch.

There is a big difference between evolving meaning changing and meaning creating. Evolution supporters flip back and forth with definitions depending on what suits the current argument best. We really just need to add one more word to the English language.

turbolapp said:
No one is claiming to have all the answers but when you equate evolution with religion you are going to down a slippery slope. That's like equating 18th century romantic literature with Thermodynamics.
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Sort of like comparing science of today to science of the 24th century. If you want to teach your "best guess" science, do so in graduate school ... not elementary school.

And turbo, get rid of about an inch of your sig ... you're wasting my precious screen space.
 
Meh...

of course no one will come to an agreement on issues of such magnitude on an internet forum.

It still amazes me how little is known of science or rather, scientific study and the scientific method.

I am out of this...

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erect said:
Now here is the truth as I see it ... there are 3 possibilities on how life began


There is a big difference between evolving meaning changing and meaning creating. Evolution supporters flip back and forth with definitions depending on what suits the current argument best.
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Well the definition of evolution is not somthing that I have ever seen disputed apart from on forums like this, or websites that are trying to spread disinformation. In the scientific world it never refers to how life began, that is totally different and still not understood.
 
erect said:
The truth is that we just simply don't know. We just can't wrap our feeble little human minds around this one. It's totally ok, we weren't here at the beginning. Say it with me everyone "I do not know" and stop trying to explain everything away. TBH: It doesn't matter that much, we're here now and arguing about the specifics when we are ignorant about the topic is a waste of time.
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"I don't know" is as said, what most scientists already have accepted. It's what science is all about and it should be the core belief of every scientist. If they already "knew" there would be no point in doing research and it would just be another religion.

The reason you hear atheists scream so loud right now is because religious nuts is trying to sneak their myths into science class. Evolution is not a myth. The theory of evolution is not a myth. If you deny any of those you deny reality, and if you deny reality well.. then.. nothing is really up for discussion.

Why do atheists care if ID is taught in school? It's pretty obvious.. ID in itself might seem fairly harmless. But in the end it's just religious propaganda. Religion teaches ignorance and ignorance is the root of all evil.

This is the only argument needed to never vote for a republican candidate.

erect said:
Gravity, sure ... evolution in the fashion that little rats go underground and after many generations become blind, ok. But definitely not evolution meaning "how did life begin". That's not a fact. HarveyJ has been your best proponent on this one in this thread with those awesome articles but it's still a stretch.
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Evolution is both a fact and a theory just as gravity is both a fact and a theory. I was referring to the fact only. Evolution as theory and fact - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rusky said:
Thats right Science 1

Darwin 0

Im done bro.
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Darwin has little to do with modern studies of evolution. FFS.. he lived over 100 years ago.
 
Exactly. Genetics and modern science. Can f Darwin right in his you know what.
Why they teach this shit in schools and claim its a fact, I dont know. You're a fine product of our school system my friend. True hard core believer.

Dont want to go over the stuff again. Its marketing time.
 
Rusky said:
Exactly. Genetics and modern science. Can f Darwin right in his you know what.
Why they teach this shit in schools and claim its a fact, I dont know. You're a fine product of our school system my friend. True hard core believer.
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It is not taught as a fact but as a scientific theory.

Just because the theory has evolved does not mean it's bull. I think you are just blinded with anger... maybe your mother forced you to eat vegetables when you were young, and said that if you didn't eat them, you would't be one of the "fittest".
 
emp said:
No, this number "the probability is..." is completely made up.

There is no hard data to back it.
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Emp come on man. Probability is what you base Scientific experiments on and is the basis for science. It is how scientists find the truth. They research the likelihood something happens and then put it to the test thus creating data to back it.


BluuueJammm said:
One more time. Evolution occures in living creatures, it isn't the explanation for how life started in the first place. These are two totally different things.
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Jammm, why then are new species going extinct every few years? If creatures evolved, they should adapt to changes in their environment no?
Also, there is no evidence of evolution from simpler forms. Birds supposedly came from reptiles but there have been no half-bird/half-reptile fossils found. You guys are here screaming for evidence when in fact, you have very little yourself, and the founder of Evolution was shown to be wrong on numerous occassions.

Also, if you don't mind, could you share how life begun, or at least how you think it did?
 
pat J said:
It is not taught as a fact but as a scientific theory.

Just because the theory has evolved does not mean it's bull. I think you are just blinded with anger... maybe your mother forced you to eat vegetables when you were young, and said that if you didn't eat them, you would't be one of the "fittest".
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I think the fact that it is taught without teaching other possibilities creates people like you, unaware and uninformed of all other alternatives. And no, because it was altered it doesn't prove it is BS, but it does show that it is flawed. To think, the guy who came up with the idea is discredited and now he lived 100 years ago and is not the face of the "new" evolutionist theory. I know someone who lived a lot longer than that and his teachings still stand to date.
 
pat J said:
It is not taught as a fact but as a scientific theory.

Just because the theory has evolved does not mean it's bull. I think you are just blinded with anger... maybe your mother forced you to eat vegetables when you were young, and said that if you didn't eat them, you would't be one of the "fittest".
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Thank you for saying it. Pat J.
"Scientific Theory"
Lets just leave it at that.


Now I really got to go.
 
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