Facebook Parenting: For the troubled teen.

What this dude did wasn't smart, you won't earn the respect of your kid if you humiliate them. His decision to get rid of the laptop and ground her and make her do chores is the good thing to do and I wish more parents would be strict and disciplined in this regard, but shit you could have done it without recording it and posting it in public - it just shows a lack of character on your part. There's a difference between disciplining your kid and holding immature grudges. If you think about it the people in your family you respect, listen to and help out the most are always the ones who treated you with respect and dignity and didn't make you feel like a 'kid' while you were growing up.

He came off as a whiny bitch, his reaction was silly and unwise. A 15 year old kid is still a kid, problem is when you do stuff like this your actually hurting your child's ability to mature into the stable, solid person you'd like them to be.
 


Well, don't construe how I feel though, I mean the little twat needs some discipline, I just question where her attitude came from. And although I don't have kids, I don't see myself telling my kids to get me a cup of coffee in the morning.

I've been there as a child of a step-parent (specifically) who thought that my job was to do annoying tasks for them. That type of attitude doesn't really generate a positive attitude out of an individual (child or otherwise).

That said, none of us really knows the back story of this family so who the hell knows -- maybe the girl is just a little bitch all on her own.

"Get me a cup of coffee" could be as simple as...

He's sitting at the kitchen table eating breakfast, and says, "can you pour me a cup of coffee" as she's already standing up next to the coffee pot.


I can see this very possible because at times my parents have annoyed me, and stupid little things like that would drive me crazy too. Inside your head you blow them way out of proportion and then you get even madder and the cycle keeps repeating til you blow.
 
I feel sorry for him - he's clearly very upset by her behaviour. His daughter sounds like a lazy ungrateful cow, but then most teenagers who have a comfortable life are.

Not sure what sort of message he's trying to send her though. It's definitely not the way I'd handle it with my kid, but you can't second guess someone else's parenting decisions.
 
I feel sorry for him - he's clearly very upset by her behaviour. His daughter sounds like a lazy ungrateful cow, but then most teenagers who have a comfortable life are.

I'm all for letting parents parent how they want to and not enforcing any stupid restrictions, assuming there's no significant abuse going on, but I disagree big time with how he dealt with it..

A few years ago I would have thought hell yeah, put that bitch in her place! Got a kid now, and it took some re-conditioning from my wife with how to deal with children/discipline. (Aslo, I understand a 2 yr old is a lot different than a teenager, but just voicing an opinion here of what I've learned about non-aggression parenting)..

How is it at all justifiable to damage property as a means of punishment? He's acting as though she bought that laptop since he only wants the $130 of upgrades he put into it. Even still if he bought the laptop too, good job he just wasted money and put on display a poor/costly decision.

And it's quite a reach to consider petty teenage venting on facebook an act of rebellion. At 15 years old with all the crazy hormones, you can't expect no rebellion to take place; it's natural.

To be upset that she vented her frustrations on facebook is perfectly acceptable. A meaningful, heart to heart, 1-on-1 dialogue should have occurred. Not a parent(superior) to teenager(inferior) disciplinary tone, but rather one of understanding so that he could actually get through to her. Perhaps I'm naive, but that approach (if not taken first) certainly makes more sense to me than destroying a laptop and grounding the kid for years.

He condemns her for putting shit on facebook and then turns around and does the same exact thing. Eye for an eye+then some? Excessive imo. Yeah he probably didn't think it'd go viral, but if he hadn't done it in the first place then he wouldn't have ended up in that situation, with a daughter who'll definitely get shit from kids at school, with a father who 'pwned' her.

This will most likely lead to her completely closing herself in and shutting her parents out; she writes a couple paragraphs on facebook and look what happened.

/end rant.
 
All I can say is you gotta love a girl with daddy issues. If parents knew everything their kids said/did they'd shit. Facebook just happens to make it accessible (even though she tried to make it private). I'd say what he did was a little bit desperate and a little bit of an over reaction, maybe a little childish even, but we all know how shit can be in the heat of the moment.
 
A few years ago I would have thought hell yeah, put that bitch in her place! Got a kid now, and it took some re-conditioning from my wife with how to deal with children/discipline.

I stopped reading right there. What makes you think that some psychologist or some book is better parenting than what you know and what you've experienced?

Are you really that fucked up from your own parents that you'd want to throw it all out the window and go with what some book or PHD tells you to do? Maybe you are.. i don't know.

The way you typed it makes you sound like a pussy whipped bitch. I don't know if you are... but it sounds that way.

And I'm not trying to dog you personally.

I just think that all this bullshit parenting advice has spawned a bunch of soft and ungrateful little shits with no discipline.


Hrmmmmm.......
 
He's a fucking idiot.
Seriously
What is it with that shit, admitting publicly all that's gone on the day before and then shooting the shit out of the laptop.

He could have installed open source software for free. $130 WTF?!
 
I stopped reading right there. What makes you think that some psychologist or some book is better parenting than what you know and what you've experienced?

Are you really that fucked up from your own parents that you'd want to throw it all out the window and go with what some book or PHD tells you to do? Maybe you are.. i don't know.

The way you typed it makes you sound like a pussy whipped bitch. I don't know if you are... but it sounds that way.

And I'm not trying to dog you personally.

I just think that all this bullshit parenting advice has spawned a bunch of soft and ungrateful little shits with no discipline.

Hrmmmmm.......

LOL trust me.. far from being whooped, I won't list out examples to prove that but take my word for it; in fact I can admit I'm a bit too stubborn in some ways.

And what is wrong with changing the way in which you were raised, breaking a cycle? For instance, my parents are conservative republicans. Should I just accept that? No, of course not, I did my own research and discovered I'm more on the side of RP.

I'm proud to say my wife is intelligent and does a ton of research from many sources, and I have no problem hearing her side of the story, many times I disagree, sometimes I begin to see the logic and take side. If you call that being pussy whipped, then I'm whipped I guess? ;)
 
I wonder where his daughter got her douchebag attitude from... heh. She's a spoiled little bitch and he's a fucking idiot. Is that really what's considered good parenting? Okay then...
 
LOL trust me.. far from being whooped, I won't list out examples to prove that but take my word for it; in fact I can admit I'm a bit too stubborn in some ways.

And what is wrong with changing the way in which you were raised, breaking a cycle? For instance, my parents are conservative republicans. Should I just accept that? No, of course not, I did my own research and discovered I'm more on the side of RP.

I'm proud to say my wife is intelligent and does a ton of research from many sources, and I have no problem hearing her side of the story, many times I disagree, sometimes I begin to see the logic and take side. If you call that being pussy whipped, then I'm whipped I guess? ;)


Good for you, on all accounts. People who care about their children's discipline usually see that using the exact method of parenting that you were brought up with is extremely short sighted and possibly dangerous. As with any important (I would hope your kids are important enough) decision in life: You study, research, use your own experiences and then make an informed decision. Of course this doesn't apply to anyone solipsistic enough to be unable or unwilling to think outside themselves.
 
Good for you, on all accounts. People who care about their children's discipline usually see that using the exact method of parenting that you were brought up with is extremely short sighted and possibly dangerous. As with any important (I would hope your kids are important enough) decision in life: You study, research, use your own experiences and then make an informed decision. Of course this doesn't apply to anyone solipsistic enough to be unable or unwilling to think outside themselves.

Except that the very reason most people have kids in the first place is to please themselves. They don't do it because they want to bring a great person into the world, they do it because they think it'll improve their own life/status. Then when the kid becomes more than they can handle they're just a burden/obligation. It's like when people get pets, except that pets are much faster/easier to get and get rid of.
 
I'm all for letting parents parent how they want to and not enforcing any stupid restrictions, assuming there's no significant abuse going on, but I disagree big time with how he dealt with it..

A few years ago I would have thought hell yeah, put that bitch in her place! Got a kid now, and it took some re-conditioning from my wife with how to deal with children/discipline. (Aslo, I understand a 2 yr old is a lot different than a teenager, but just voicing an opinion here of what I've learned about non-aggression parenting)..

How is it at all justifiable to damage property as a means of punishment? He's acting as though she bought that laptop since he only wants the $130 of upgrades he put into it. Even still if he bought the laptop too, good job he just wasted money and put on display a poor/costly decision.

And it's quite a reach to consider petty teenage venting on facebook an act of rebellion. At 15 years old with all the crazy hormones, you can't expect no rebellion to take place; it's natural.

To be upset that she vented her frustrations on facebook is perfectly acceptable. A meaningful, heart to heart, 1-on-1 dialogue should have occurred. Not a parent(superior) to teenager(inferior) disciplinary tone, but rather one of understanding so that he could actually get through to her. Perhaps I'm naive, but that approach (if not taken first) certainly makes more sense to me than destroying a laptop and grounding the kid for years.

He condemns her for putting shit on facebook and then turns around and does the same exact thing. Eye for an eye+then some? Excessive imo. Yeah he probably didn't think it'd go viral, but if he hadn't done it in the first place then he wouldn't have ended up in that situation, with a daughter who'll definitely get shit from kids at school, with a father who 'pwned' her.

This will most likely lead to her completely closing herself in and shutting her parents out; she writes a couple paragraphs on facebook and look what happened.

/end rant.

Yeah, I'm with you on that one... his reaction is 180 degrees from how I deal with my kid. He was basically venting his anger, which is never constructive. He's lowered himself to her level. There's nothing to be gained from getting into a fight with your kids. All they'll do is close off and up the ante.

Also, I'm not sure what he's supposed to be teaching her there. That problems can be solved by destroying the thing that's annoying you with a gun? Kids learn from what you do, not what you tell them. Is that how he wants his daughter to behave?
 
The guy is a retard. Yeah, use negative reinforcement to train a kid, as if she were a dog...or had a double digit IQ. Kids always remember and count bad experiences and memories more than good ones. They aren't developed enough to make an overall judgement. Even this adult surely wasn't. She is going to resent him and I hope they go easy on her when she eventually loses it enough to put some holes in his head with that same .45. What is this "valuing money" and "grounding" bullshit anyway? She's 15, you can't teach cause and effect in such a black and white approach. "You post something I don't like on facebook? I'll shoot your laptop bitch! And tell the world on youtube how I'm going to give you shit for years!" Might work on a dog, but not on a 15 year old human. Fuck that nonsense... even if his training methods of bossing about his own child and publicly humiliating himself and the kid are "successful", he would only have succeeded in raising a by-the-book cowardly obedient citizen. Also amazing how no one seems to object to the violation of the girl's privacy. Even if as a parent he has a right to know what she's up to, it's really beneath all dignity to raise so much hell over this when she specifically marked the post as private.
 
This shit won't get him any respect from his daughter... I guess some people just have a weird urge to destroy shit in order to feel like a boss. maybe this guy's one of them ;)

Yeah, I'm with you on that one... his reaction is 180 degrees from how I deal with my kid. He was basically venting his anger, which is never constructive. He's lowered himself to her level. There's nothing to be gained from getting into a fight with your kids. All they'll do is close off and up the ante.

Also, I'm not sure what he's supposed to be teaching her there. That problems can be solved by destroying the thing that's annoying you with a gun? Kids learn from what you do, not what you tell them. Is that how he wants his daughter to behave?

^^ someone should have told him this.. but maybe someone did and he was too arrogant to listen.
 
Also, I'm not sure what he's supposed to be teaching her there. That problems can be solved by destroying the thing that's annoying you with a gun? Kids learn from what you do, not what you tell them. Is that how he wants his daughter to behave?

Best part was "here's one for mom". If this is what this guy is willing to do on camera for the whole world to see I can't imagine what he's willing to do behind closed doors. He already mentioned he grounded her for 3 MONTHS last time because of something she said on Facebook. When you're 15-16 being grounded for 1-2 weeks is a lifetime. People get less time for committing misdemeanors.
 
It's quite funny, because as a whole we've got a forum full of people here that are sick of self-entitled, spoiled kids running around acting their shit doesnt stink.

Yet a ton of those same people are up in arms about a father doing his best to put an end to that self-entitlement in the best way he knows how.

From thread to thread, I start to realize just how hypocritical a lot of people here are and how much they LOVE trying to force their opinion's on others.

Here is another post from the father's facebook today breaking things down a bit more for you guys...or mainly for those who dont have kids yet feel the need to give parenting advice as if they somehow know better.......

"Media Response to Anita Li, from the Toronto Star

Since you took the time to email us with your requests like we asked, I’ll take the time to give you an honest follow-up response. You’ll have to forgive me for doing so publicly though; again I want to be sure my words are portrayed the way I actually say them, not cut together to make entirely different points.

Your questions were:
Q: Why did you decide to reprimand your daughter over a public medium like YouTube?

A: Well, I actually just had to load the video file itself on YouTube because it’s a better upload process than Facebook, but the intended audience was her Facebook friends and the parents of those friends who saw her post and would naturally assume we let our children get away with something like that. So, to answer “Why did you reprimand her over a public medium like Facebook” my answer is this: Because that’s how I was raised. If I did something embarrassing to my parents in public (such as a grocery store) I got my tail tore up right there in front of God and everyone, right there in the store. I put the reprisal in exactly the same medium she did, in the exact same manner. Her post went out to about 452 people. Mine went out to about 550 people… originally. I had no idea it would become what it did.

Q: How effective do you think your punishment was (i.e. shooting her laptop and reading her letter online)?

A: I think it was very effective on one front. She apparently didn’t remember being talked to about previous incidents, nor did she seem to remember the effects of having it taken away, nor did the eventual long-term grounding seem to get through to her. I think she thought “Well, I’ll just wait it out and I’ll get it back eventually.” Her behavior corrected for a short time, and then it went back to what it was before and worse. This time, she won’t ever forget and it’ll be a long time before she has an opportunity to post on Facebook again. I feel pretty certain that every day from then to now, whenever one of her friends mentions Facebook, she’ll remember it and wish she hadn’t done what she did.

The second lesson I want her to learn is the value of a dollar. We don’t give her everything she asks for, but you can all imagine what it’s like being the only grandchild and the first child. Presents and money come from all sides when you’re young. Most of the things she has that are “cool” were bought or gifted that way. She’s always asked for very few things, but they’re always high-dollar things (iPod, laptop, smartphone, etc). Eventually she gets given enough money to get them. That’s not learning the value of a dollar. Its knowing how to save money, which I greatly applaud in her, but it’s not enough. She wants a digital SLR camera. She wants a 22 rifle like mine. She wants a car. She wants a smart phone with a data package and unlimited texting. (I have to hear about that one every week!)

She thinks all these things are supposed to be given to her because she’s got parents. It’s not going to happen, at least not in our house. She can get a job and work for money just like everyone else. Then she can spend it on anything she wants (within reason). If she wants to work for two months to save enough to purchase a $1000 SLR camera with an $800 lens, then I can guarantee she’ll NEVER leave it outside at night. She’ll be careful when she puts it away and carries it around. She’ll value it much more because she worked so hard to get it. Instead, with the current way things have been given to her, she's on about her fourth phone and just expects another one when she breaks the one she has. She's not sorry about breaking it, or losing it, she's sorry only because she can't text her friends. I firmly believe she'll be a LOT more careful when she has to buy her own $299.00 Motorola Razr smartphone.

Until then, she can do chores, and lots and lots of them, so the people who ARE feeding her, clothing her, paying for all her school trips, paying for her musical instruments, can have some time to relax after they finish working to support her and the rest of the family. She can either work to make money on her own, or she will do chores to contribute around the house. She’s known all along that all she has to do is get a job and a lot of these chores will go away. But if you’re too lazy to work even to get things you want for yourself, I’m certainly not going to let you sit idly on your rear-end with your face glued to both the TV and Facebook for 5 to 6 hours per night. Those days are over.

Q: How did your daughter respond to the video and to what happened to her laptop?

A: She responded to the video with “I can’t believe you shot my computer!” That was the first thing she said when she found out about it. Then we sat and we talked for quite a long while on the back patio about the things she did, the things I did in response, etc.

Later after she’d had time to process it and I’d had time to process her thoughts on the matters we discussed, we were back to a semi-truce… you know that uncomfortable moment when you’re in the kitchen with your child after an argument and you’re both waiting to see which one’s going to cave in and resume normal conversation first? Yeah, that moment. I told her about the video response and about it going viral and about the consequences it could have on our family for the next couple of days and asked if she wanted to see some of the comments people had made. After the first few hundred comments, she was astounded with the responses.

People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she’s too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was “Dude… it’s only a computer. I mean, yeah I’m mad but pfft.” She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn’t too keen on the stripping thing.

We agreed we learned two collective lessons from this so far:

First: As her father, I’ll definitely do what I say I will, both positive and negative and she can depend on that. She no longer has any doubt about that.

Second: We have always told her what you put online can affect you forever. Years later a single Facebook/MySpace/Twitter comment can affect her eligibility for a good job and can even get her fired from a job she already has. She’s seen first-hand through this video the worst possible scenario that can happen. One post, made by her Dad, will probably follow him the rest of his life; just like those mean things she said on Facebook will stick with the people her words hurt for a long time to come. Once you put it out there, you can’t take it back, so think carefully before you use the internet to broadcast your thoughts and feelings."