Father Victim of Sandy Hook - Actor?

SeoReborn said:
So far reasons given to him for behaving this way is theory as much as you can say he being fake is a theory also. Everyone have their own free will to make up their own minds.
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I can have a theory that the shootings really took place in Japan, but that doesn't mean that it would be an equal theory in regards to the chances of it or in regards to the evidence for it.

Its already well understood in psychology and among a lot of the public that when people go through extremely tragic events that they can act in a variety of ways, many of which might seem irrational. "Irrational" behavior could be defined as someone acting in a mentally disturbed type of way. When someone has their child killed, a mental disturbance of some sort is exactly what we would expect.

Also keep in mind that when a tragedy like this happens, crisis response teams sweep in and make sure everyone effected has access to high doses of medication of the type that tries to increase "happy feelings" in the brain.

Making up one's mind in agreement with the alternative "theory", would imply somehow knowing for sure that a person who just had their kid killed cannot act in a certain way and just suppose to act like in the movies or whatever. When one make claims like this, don't be surprised if people ask questions or point out potential holes in it.
 


Nervous laughter is one of the most common reactions that people exhibit in extreme situations. Quit fucking reaching.

The real conspiracy is in the governments prepared reaction to the event - they've been eager to use a tragedy to restrict gun rights for a long time and this was the perfect opportunity. Senator Feinstein had a 1200 page bill gun control bill ready the next day. Isn't that bad enough?
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
Nervous laughter is one of the most common reactions that people exhibit in extreme situations. Quit fucking reaching.

The real conspiracy is in the governments prepared reaction to the event - they've been eager to use a tragedy to restrict gun rights for a long time and this was the perfect opportunity. Senator Feinstein had a 1200 page bill gun control bill ready the next day. Isn't that bad enough?
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Considering how the gun control debate is so popular and has been going on for so long, isn't it more likely that being prepared to take action was more of a planned coincidence rather than a conspiracy? A conspiracy implies intent...seems more like they were just waiting for their opportunity to inject their policy ideas into the national debate.

I bet there are similar plans ready to go if another abortion clinic gets bombed or there's a gay hate crime. It's no secret that most large policy changes require an external catalyst.
 
Even if it was a false flag(which it probably was), it would be idiotic to have paid actors. The best cons are the simplest. You manipulate the environment as little as possible.

Have one professional hitman do the job, dragging the drugged scapegoat along, then disappear after shooting the alleged shooter. That would explain the cops saying a teacher saw "two shadows running".

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7238h_juGIM"]Sandy Hook school shooting: Teacher reports seeing "two shadows" running outside building - YouTube[/ame]

It's incredibly simple. Everything else is a real and organic response then. Why would you bother with actors posing as grieving parents when you can easily get the real thing.

If anyone is pushing this video as proof that Sandy Hook was planned, it's probably as a disinformation campaign by the real shooters in order to discredit the opposition.

And to anyone who thinks Sandy Hook/Aurora was a coincidence, really? Just a coincidence that Sandy Hook occurred right after Obama's second term began, against a bunch of kids, with an "assault weapon"? Really?
 
hellblazer said:
Even if it was a false flag(which it probably was), it would be idiotic to have paid actors. The best cons are the simplest. You manipulate the environment as little as possible.

Have one professional hitman do the job, dragging the drugged scapegoat along, then disappear after shooting the alleged shooter. That would explain the cops saying a teacher saw "two shadows running".

Sandy Hook school shooting: Teacher reports seeing "two shadows" running outside building - YouTube

It's incredibly simple. Everything else is a real and organic response then. Why would you bother with actors posing as grieving parents when you can easily get the real thing.

If anyone is pushing this video as proof that Sandy Hook was planned, it's probably as a disinformation campaign by the real shooters in order to discredit the opposition.

And to anyone who thinks Sandy Hook/Aurora was a coincidence, really? Just a coincidence that Sandy Hook occurred right after Obama's second term began, against a bunch of kids, with an "assault weapon"? Really?
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So all of what you described here seems more likely to you than a disturbed individual doing something horrible while in a bad state of mind?
 
hellblazer said:
All of what I described?

I mentioned a single hitman.

It's incredibly simple.
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And what I asked is equally simple: do you think it is more likely that the government hired a hitman to help perpetrate the massacre of 26 people including 18 children OR that it was the work of a disturbed young person in a time of crisis?
 
I had a spontaneous pneumothorax when I was in high school (look it up if you don't know what it is). I went to the local urgent care center because I thought I had just a fractured rib or something and the Dr. told me my lung was 25-30% collapsed and an immediate needle thoracotomy (big ass needle to the chest) was necessary, followed by transportation to the hospital and insertion of a chest tube AKA a plastic tube between my ribs. I laughed at the time because I was so overwhelmed I didn't know how to react. I felt like I was in a video game or something because the shock was so surreal. What seems more likely?

A. A distraught father is experiencing emotional shock.
B. An actor hired by the government to portray the father of a dead child is such an inept moron he doesn't get into character until after walking out in front of a bunch of cameras and the press.

I don't know what you have read about conspiracy, but it's all about simplicity. To achieve the desired result, what would be easier for the government if this conspiracy were reality?

1. Hire a bunch of actors to pose as parents of children and have these actors on live television allowing for the potential for slip-ups.
2. Have a bunch of kids killed by one person and then off him. Let the media do it's thing from there with the only possible source of a leak silenced.

The theory just doesn't hold any water. It's a desperate attempt to apply logic to conjecture. I am NOT saying any of these conspiracy theories hold water, just that the ones being presented hold none whatsoever.
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hellblazer said:
Have one professional hitman do the job, dragging the drugged scapegoat along, then disappear after shooting the alleged shooter. That would explain the cops saying a teacher saw "two shadows running".

Staff or parents running would also explain that, would it not?


And to anyone who thinks Sandy Hook/Aurora was a coincidence, really? Just a coincidence that Sandy Hook occurred right after Obama's second term began, against a bunch of kids, with an "assault weapon"? Really?
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What if Romney had won and this happened? What if this happened right before the campaign ended? What if there was no statement that an assault rifle was used? Would you not be saying it was a conspiracy no matter how it went down? Which specific, individual details would lead you to believe this is NOT a conspiracy or are there any?
 
dchuk said:
A conspiracy implies intent...seems more like they were just waiting for their opportunity to inject their policy ideas into the national debate.
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You have multiple people working on a secret plan and their intent is to limit the gun rights of law abiding citizens, so yes that makes it a conspiracy. Waiting until a tragedy happens to unleash their plan doesn't make it any less of a conspiracy.
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
You have multiple people working on a secret plan and their intent is to limit the gun rights of law abiding citizens, so yes that makes it a conspiracy. Waiting until a tragedy happens to unleash their plan doesn't make it any less of a conspiracy.
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What is secret about it? The intent and plan of action seems to be very well publicized. That's not to say I agree with it, but just for argument's sake, what part is secretive?
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
You have multiple people working on a secret plan and their intent is to limit the gun rights of law abiding citizens, so yes that makes it a conspiracy. Waiting until a tragedy happens to unleash their plan doesn't make it any less of a conspiracy.
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A conspiracy is by definition a secret plan by two or more people to commit a crime in the future. What you're describing fits a loose variation of a conspiracy theory I guess but I think it's more accurate to describe it as a "planned coincidence" as I wrote it. They had a plan ready to go and they assumed a massacre would happen sometime in the future as they tend to happen from time to time in this country.
 
dchuk said:
A conspiracy is by definition a secret plan by two or more people to commit a crime in the future. What you're describing fits a loose variation of a conspiracy theory I guess but I think it's more accurate to describe it as a "planned coincidence" as I wrote it. They had a plan ready to go and they assumed a massacre would happen sometime in the future as they tend to happen from time to time in this country.
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Fair enough, I think we agree in principal it's mostly a semantic difference. I would argue the criminal element is them fucking with our constitutional rights as a result of the tragedy. Technically, government officials that violate the Constitution have committed a crime. It may not play like that in real life, but according to the law it does.
 
I am a Sandy Hook denier denier.

In short, SEOReborn is not real. He is a NRA shill. Ignore at will, it's really 7 or 8 gay webmasters who are trying to promote their agenda.
 
cassius said:
What is secret about it? The intent and plan of action seems to be very well publicized. That's not to say I agree with it, but just for argument's sake, what part is secretive?
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It's not secretive anymore, they've got their tragedy. Prior to Sandy Hook you didn't hear a peep about this shit though.

If you and I conspire to rob an armored car in front of WalMart it's a secret. Until the armored car shows up and we rob it.
 
If this was a private interview tape, then it might be more reliable as evidence. This video doesn't prove a thing either way. The pressure of the press is too manipulating on a person's emotions and actions to get a decent assessment though.

As Hellblazer said though, if the government really wanted to fake a shooting, they wouldn't be hiring actors. Especially not ones as bad as this.

(For the record though, it's my personal belief that this shooting, and the father, were both real.)
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
It's not secretive anymore, they've got their tragedy. Prior to Sandy Hook you didn't hear a peep about this shit though.

If you and I conspire to rob an armored car in front of WalMart it's a secret. Until the armored car shows up and we rob it.
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Maybe you didn't hear anything about it, but that doesn't mean it was secretive.

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Just because it wasn't plastered all over everything, but the cereal boxes doesn't mean it was a secret. Feinstein and her cronies have been pushing the same crap for ages, it just hasn't been the hot issue until Sandy Hook. You might have a viable comparison if you and I made a few press releases stating, "we're going to rob an armored car outside of Wal-Mart." Again, what was secretive? Ignored != secretive.

mattseh said:
My guess is only one of you might be armed.
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I am not unarmed, I just try to stay away from jumping to conclusions and embellishing. I don't agree with an assault weapons ban, but when I see false statements and logical fallacies I call them out.
 
Errr...

Changing a constitution is actually a process that can be done in most democratic countries on earth.

The rules and regulations regarding this are more strict than in case of other laws, but there is no "crime" in doing so. (If everything follows those regulationd and processes)

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Never underestimate anybody. This is the kid who did the Virginia tech Massacre

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