Fix yo diets, homies.

[BlokBlok]

A calorie is a calorie is a calorie. The macro-nutrient breakdown between a chocolate bar a cucumber is obviously different, the caloric breakdown is also obviously different, but 1 calorie from a Snickers = 1 calorie from a carrot when you ignore the macro side.

Twinkie diet helps nutrition professor lose 27 pounds - CNN.com

A calorie is a calorie as a car is a car...this an extremely vague and misleading. A calorie is a unit of measurement, 1 gram of protein = 4 calories, 1 gram of fat = 9 calories(not all fat is bad BTW). Your diet should not focus on calories but where the calories come from.

I hope to god no one is listening when you are giving nutrition advice.

 

[BlokBlok]

Also, I want to add, no one ever got fat from eating fruits and veggies. And for the most part, if a human altered it, its not good to eat. Thats a pretty good rule of thumb to follow.

 

[svakanda]

A calorie is NOT just a calorie!!

Here's the dick of it all, you fishin mothers. Health is just like Marketing. Every relationship & exchange you experience in your life contributes to the over-arching umbrella of 'health'. It all adds up.

Marketing is very much so similar, it applies to a community or a body of people.

They are both extremely imprecise arts/sciences that don't lend well to REDUCTIONIST forms of thought.

In Marketing, if you took a very large cross media public relations campaign and broke it out into as many different parts as you could isolate:

newspapers
mentioned in forbes
magazine inserts
commercials at 7pm
posted as golf courses worldwide
kids downtown passing out flyers on the streets
spreading exciting rumors through friends & family
regular people spreading news by word of mouth at the bars
announcements at churches across the nation
radio ads
posters at walmart
crazy indians driving rickshaws with PA systems blaring

If you took any one of those actions & isolated it. It would have 1 / billionth the affect of all of them together. Because they ARE all coordinated at once, it WOULD have a strong affect, especially if the news was something SUPER fucking scary, or exciting, or emotional.

You people know better then anyone, the more directions it hits someone from the more powerful it becomes.

Well, what I'm saying you dick sucking crustaceans is that the Health of your body is best addressed in the exact same fashion. It is NOT effective to cut it up. You have to be looking at the whole fishing picture.

If you think that science or the media are the 'authorities' on information about how YOU work then you're going to be at the mercy of a mad goose pit over fame, power, money, distribution, public opinion, and marketshare. They've conned 3/4 of the nation into believing that they know best.

And do they have information? Sure. But what the fuck good is information if the intentions of the body behind it are not in your benefit.
Very few of those fishin fools honestly give two shits about you.

At any rate dipshits...
I heartily agree with

Seiux

to 'ignore the macro side' is absolutely fucking retarded.

You gotta take the whole picture into account. Your body is a market, it's a wild, living, dynamic & exceptionally complex organism...and it's very very smart.

Maybe you ask then..."Well how do we know whats good for us?"

My honest answer is to pay more attention to how your food makes you feel. Feelings are the hooks deep into the inner workings of your body. Besides...we're all very very different, and our bodies operate very different from each other. One mans rules are another mans fuckups.

Some people can eat shitty ass white processed sugar all day long, and it only bothers them mildly, other people can hardly touch it & it drains out all their energy and makes them feel like shit on the goddamned spot.

I don't believe that it's really 'good' for either one...but its quite clear that we don't all operate in the same fashions. Ultimately, if you want the most EFFECTIVE information about what you should be eating, spend more time listen to your body, it has no divided interests.

 

[Insomniac]

Personal experience here. I don't generally drink any carbonated drinks.

I went vegetarian for a bit, gained 10lb from all the rice, bread, pasta, potatoes, and never felt full. Lost a bunch of muscle. I would never feel even remotely full.

I tried vegan, and gained another 10lb, and lost more muscle. Never felt full.

I went back to meat, cut bread, pasta, potatoes and rice out of my diet, started consuming a lot more dairy, lost 10lb and gained a bunch of muscle with no change to my exercise. I started to feel full after eating a regular sized meal. I've had a lot more energy since.

Fuck carbs.

 

[Staccs]

Wow dude you have anecdotal evidence that the brainless news media ate up fuck I'm sold!

I don't care about the story, the bottomline is true.

while you are right to a degree please do not promote bullshit like that. in no way is what that professor did healthy and to 'ignore the macro side' is absolutely fucking retarded.

^^^

A calorie is a calorie as a car is a car...this an extremely vague and misleading. A calorie is a unit of measurement, 1 gram of protein = 4 calories, 1 gram of fat = 9 calories(not all fat is bad BTW). Your diet should not focus on calories but where the calories come from.

I hope to god no one is listening when you are giving nutrition advice.

Please see the sentence in which I emphasized I am ignoring macronutrients. Totally not advisable for someone putting together a diet plan, but it's just to make a point.

 

[cryptix]

 

[MyOwnDemon]

Here's the short version:

fructose makes your body think you're not full, it also makes your body think you're not hungry, so, you eat just to eat but don't realize you are full until your stomach literally cannot handle anymore food. Thus and increase in caloric consumption.

Also - alcohol (especially beer) does the same thing essentially. It numbs your stomach so you when you eat after drinking, your body doesn't know it's full. Which explains why you can drink a 12 pack and then crush 20 soft tacos from taco bell like it's nothing. You simply don't know you're full.

Therefore you overeat, and if you're a heavy drinker, you get a nice little "beer belly" over time. It's not really related to the alcohol itself or the calories in the beer, but your habits afterwards.

 

[seiux]

also do not take nutrition advice from dr. oz, holy shit


if you guys want to have some real knowledge dropped on you about food, read "Why We Get Fat" by Gary Taubes, or anything on mark sissons blog, or the paleo solution by robb wolf (though paleo people can be a little dogmatic, same w/ vegans). if you want some M.D. type shit look up dr. dan kalish -- he's an absolute boss. you can check out his patient guide here: http://www.drkalish.com/pdf/Patient_Guide.pdf it talks about how foods affect your body, and he goes pretty in depth on adrenal fatigue. which based on what i read here, most people are having some issues with.

basically anything that "mainstream" media tells you about health and wellness is completely fucking wrong. i could rant on this all day but basically don't trust institutions that have a financial incentive to keep you feeling like shit, sick, tired, depressed, etc.

 

[Ar Scion]

Exercise, eat whatever you want. Simple as that. The only people that have issues because of sugars are fat fucks who sit on their couches all day. Watch your intake, and you will be fine.

PS - Almost all fruit carbohydrates are fructose dominant.

Video talks about that. Almost all fruits are also fiber dominant. Which means you can't gobble five pounds pears down like you do a tub of ben and jerry's.

 

[-joe-]

Short version:

-Glucose = good, natural, healthy sugar.
-Fructose (Ie High Fructose Corn Syrup) = less good sugar. 30% converted into fat. Contributes to a ton of health problems. Has effects on the body similar to alcohol. The difference is, Fructose is not processed in the brain, so its not "felt" like alcohol.
-A calorie is not just a calorie. A calorie of fructose has a drastically different effect on the body compared to a calorie of glucose. Good calories matter.

Not sure I'd agree with that. High fructose corn syrup is extremely processed, and carcinogenic. Standard fructose is just fruit sugar, and is healthy. (doesn't spike your blood sugar levels)

 

[g1c9]

If HFCS is carcinogenic, then so is sugar.
Sugar (sucrose) is 50/50 fructose/glucose.
Glucose is not carcinogenic.
:. If HFCS is carcinogenic, it is due to "healthy fruit sugar."

I'm not bumping this thread becuase I find the comment above me to be pretty silly, though. I'm bumping this thread for this article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&ref=magazine
Discussion: Is Sugar Toxic? That it makes us fat is something we take for granted. That it might also be making us sick is harder to accept. : science

 

[Ar Scion]

There's no essential difference between the metabolic pathway that Sucrose and HFCS uses, as far as I know.

The argument against HFCS is essentially an economic one.

The problem with HFCS is that it's so widely used and there's so much of it being used. This is linked to corn production in the US and the hairy situation surrounding agriculture.

Apparently the people in charge of the Food Pyramid and healthy eating guidelines are the USDA. The same guys who are responsible for trying to sell agricultural produce.

Massive conflict of interest there.