French Study Shows GMOs Cause Cancer

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Shocking, ain't it?

The fuckheads at Monsanto are poisoning people and are allowed to get away with it. Breast Cancer month? How about we have a GMO Awareness month and everyone can wear a corn pin on their lapel.


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Oh that was fucking scary!

I've been a GMO and processed flour avoider for years now but after watching that I'm going to have to step up my game a bit...

In fact with France now banning GMOs, (I can't tell if they started yet) I would have suspected Monsanto's stock to fall. Over 50% of their income is GMO seeds now that their patent on roundup has expired, so if GMOs get banned their multi-hundred-Billion dollar empire will crash HARD.

inb4 we "liberate" france...!
 
Monsanto is the devil incarnate seriously. I'd really like to know who actually controls that compnay.
 
This study has been debunked. Instead of posting a bunch of articles no one will read I'll just post this round up of the missteps this study has taken. It's better than any one of the articles I've read on the subject anyway.

Alright, I'm going to run through some of the problems from the study, so people don't have to dig through links themselves.

First, issues with the study author and initial reporting. The study was done by Gilles-Eric Séralini, who is a well known Green Peace funded anti-GMO activist (Greenpeace Financed Scientist Wins Defamation Judgement in France - Hit & Run : Reason.com). While being associated with a group that has prior interest isn't a guarantee that his work is bad, it does raise an immediate red flag that says you should look at it a bit more closely. Additionally, while he does say that there is no conflict of interest in the paper, you should look at a amazon search in his name (Amazon.com: Gilles-Eric Séralini: Books, Biography, Blog, Audiobooks, Kindle). He does make money off of the anti-GMO food position. Again, see the previous disclaimer.

With the initial reporting, the journalists who had access to the study in advance had to sign a contract saying that they would not talk to any scientists who were not directly involved in the study. This means that they had to rely on their own knowledge of GMO crops and study design for whatever they wrote. This generally means all early reporting will be biased in favor of the study's author's positions.

Second, problems with the study. The first one that comes to mind is that they had a control group of only 20 rats, which was then subdivided into two groups of 10 male, and 10 female rats. This is an incredibly small control. He also used 10 groups of 20 rats, similarly divided to test each of his 10 different variables (Which is rather complex). A major problem with this is that Sprague Dawley rats have a very high tumor incidence rate naturally. By very high, we are talking approximately 72% of female Sprague Dawley rats develop tumors within 2 years (Spontaneous endocrine tumors in Sprague-Dawley rats., Suzuki et al, 1979; (Spontaneous endocrine tumors in Spra... [J Cancer Res Clin Oncol. 1979] - PubMed - NCBI). If he was using a group of 1000 rats for each one, you could expect numbers very different from 72% to indicate something meaningful. Because he is looking at effectively 10 rats, it is not unreasonable for only 50% to get tumors, and its not unreasonable for 100% to get tumors, because probability.

They don't appear to have done any blinding on the tests, which can allow researcher bias to show through when analysing the rats. Blinding is a basic thing used in noncontroversial research. It certainly should be used in something like this.

Going back to the complexity of the experiment, it looks like the measured upwards of 47 different parameters in their testing. However, their statistical analysis is bad. Really bad. They didn't do basic things like checking for the statistical power of the design. They also leave massive gaps in their statistical methodology, like not giving any info on how they looked at mortality or tumor data. The appear to have done statistical fishing for interesting results, while ignoring a lot of standard analyses to see if their results mean anything. (in which I blow a gasket and get very uppity about this GM-food study which appears to have everyone going nuts at the moment - michaelgrayer's posterous)

Another problem, is that they quote ”All data cannot be shown in one report and the most relevant are described here”. This is not done. Ever. This means that the authors almost certainly cherry picked only the best results to show (https://embargowatch.wordpress.com/...onsor-engineered-embargo-to-prevent-scrutiny/).

They tested both response against GM corn, and corn with the roundup herbicide, and reported THE EXACT SAME EFFECT for two vastly different treatments. There are ZERO mechanisms that can explain this, but they came up with it anyway.

They didn't control for the total amount of food consumed, so the rats could easily gorge themselves, which can effect the rate of tumor incidence (Effects of Diet and Overfeeding On Body Weight and Survival in the Rodent Bioassay: the Impact On Pharmaceutical Safety Assessment, Keenan et al.. (Effects of Diet and Overfeeding On Body Weight and Survival in the Rodent Bioassay: the Impact On Pharmaceutical Safety Assessment). They didn't control for fungal contaminants on the food, which can effect the rate of tumor incidence(Toxicity and carcinogenicity of the Fusanum monilzforine metabolite, fumonisin B1, in rats, Thiel et al, (Toxicity and carcinogenicity of the Fusanum monilzforine metabolite, fumonisin B1, in rats).

They didn't control for the fact that standard rat chow can frequently contain GM corn, so even their controls were probably exposed to it (Proof Perfect That The Seralini Paper On GM Corn And Cancer In Rats Is Rubbish - Forbes)

Their graphs are needlessly complex, which obfuscates them to a massive amount. This means that it is very hard to try to draw your own conclusions from them, so you need to rely on theirs.

They didn't do any dose response analysis to see if the different doses actually mattered. For all they can tell, 11%GM food causes the exact same response as 33%GM food.

In short, this study was bad. It doesn't matter what your ideological position is, drawing any conclusions from this study would be wrong.

Other places to read more, they I used heavily for this writeup:
Bad science about GMOs: It reminds me of the antivaccine movement – Respectful Insolence
NeuroLogica Blog » The GM Corn Rat Study
Study linking GM crops and cancer questioned - health - 19 September 2012 - New Scientist
 
^^ Too long, comment from reddit, didn't read

If you think GMOs are good for you and the environment you're an idiot
 
This study has been debunked...
Hold on a second there hoss; One of the top 5 richest corporations on the face of the planet is getting caught doing something so evil that it could destroy their entire income, and you don't think it might be possible for them to spend 1% of their earnings this month on "debunking?"

1% of that kind of money can buy kings. You really have to use your own judgement on these things, because "debunking" can come from 50% of the scientific community at this point and every last one of them could be paid 50 million dollars without monsanto seriously breaking a sweat.

Ask yourself this: Why wouldn't monsanto test past the 3 month mark? Or not test hormone levels at all? We're talking about the effects of new types of FOOD, and the very most common ingredient in our diets at that!

Now ask yourself how they were ABLE to only test GMO corn so shabbily... Would you as a taxpayer want your FDA to let that large of a threat slide past everyone, right to your plate? Clearly the FDA and anyone else who is supposed to be regulating this monster is looking the other way.

Then you can ask yourself if putting bug poison on the INSIDE of plants is a good idea... Where you can't wash it off. You really want to eat poison in every meal, no matter how small the amount?

If you're not critical of GMO crops then your head is firmly in the sand & I pity you.


Someone equally as fucked up as Lukep.
Bite me, sheep. :bootyshake:
 
^^ Too long didn't read.

If you think GMOs are good for you and the environment you're an idiot
If you're just going to swallow a study hook line and sinker without doing any research then you're kind of an idiot. No where did I say it was "good for you," or "good for the environment." I'm not across the board a fan of GMO but it seems like every anti-gmo study/book that comes out uses shit science.
 
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yummy!
 
Never, ever make a judgement based on a single study.

Only a systematic review of a number of studies can give you any sort of meaningful information.

(I think Monsanto are fucking evil too, but just had to point that out.)
 
If you're just going to swallow a study hook line and sinker without doing any research then you're kind of an idiot. No where did I say it was "good for you," or "good for the environment." I'm not across the board a fan of GMO but it seems like every anti-gmo study/book that comes out uses shit science.

I've been researching GMOs long before this article came out. Reddit is full of fat neckbearded elitist idiots and nothing should be quoted from there.
 
I've been researching GMOs long before this article came out. Reddit is full of idiots and nothing should be quoted from there.
So you're argument is basically "is reddit, so sux." That reddit post has multiple sources quoted and was better written and more concise then any single article I read on the subject.

Here have an article from Slate saying similar things. (Though not in anywhere near as much of a concise way.)
Are GMO foods safe? Opponents are skewing the science to scare people. - Slate Magazine

I can't believe I have to make this caveat but I'm not a Monsanto dick sucker. I just realize that shit science does nothing but hurt the anti-gmo crowd, and this study is shit science.
 
Please engage your brain before posting. He didn't say "GMOs are good for you." He said "there are major problems with that study."

Only the first sentence was in response to the post that's why I started a new paragraph instead of a new post. Strong reading comprehension.
 
So you're argument is basically "is reddit, so sux." That reddit post has multiple sources quoted and was better written and more concise then any single article I read on the subject.

Here have an article from Slate saying similar things. (Though not in anywhere near as much of a concise way.)
Are GMO foods safe? Opponents are skewing the science to scare people. - Slate Magazine

I can't believe I have to make this caveat but I'm not a Monsanto dick sucker. I just realize that shit science does nothing but hurt the anti-gmo crowd, and this study is shit science.

His argument was to dismiss the study because it only had 10 rats which is a reasonable test size.