Goodbye, Copyrights. Defcad search is born.
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Really? So if Stephen Norrington hadn't directed Blade at the precise time that he did in 1998, somebody else would have created the exact same movie, with the exact same script, the exact same actors, soundtrack, action scenes, etc...?
Do you even realize what you're saying? It's ridiculous.
It's EXACTLY the same. When a movie company sets out to create a movie, they pay money to a director, actors, extras, sound engineers, etc... in order to receive a product.
You can debate whether or not it's a shitty product, but without them that product would not exist and you have zero right to steal their property.
The fact that a creation belongs to its' creator is so stunningly obvious, I'm amazed anyone could have a different opinion. It's yet another glimpse into the dark recesses of your disturbed and deeply illogical mind.
You're just not getting this HB.
I'm not saying that this movie would have gotten made for sure without IP laws.
I'm saying that whatever would have gotten made in it's place would be good too... And more fair for soceity.
Now you're horribly twisting words. I agree that a creation like a movie belongs to its' creator(s). What I disagree with is the artificial protection of that creation.
Remember, copying is not theft:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4]Copying Is Not Theft - Official Version - YouTube[/ame]
And in this connected world, it is enforced by reputation:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPtH2KPuQbs]Credit Is Due (The Attribution Song) - YouTube[/ame]
Pretty sure Bitcoin hasn't made the slightest of dents to the banking sector, neither will it ever.
People don't give enough of a shit about the things you give a shit about for it ever to make a dent. It's too hard to use, and people don't care about it not being linked to gov't. For bitcoin to ever get anywhere you need to be able to pay with bitcoin in dollars/pounds/whatever currency you have from your credit card. Me trying to change £££ into bitcoin was a fucking nightmare. There were several payment processers I'd never heard of that I could jump through 5000 hoops with to do it (or do a bank transfer to some shady company I'd never trust with my money and wait "up to 10 days" for my money), or I had to convert money into second life money, then into bitcoin, then transfer to my wallet. People aren't going to do that. Ever. On any kind of scale.
Processors will never accept Paypal for bitcoin because why wouldn't you buy them and charge it back. No way the processor is recovering their loss.
If it ever even starts to catch on, it'll be made illegal for people to purchase bitcoins with their debit cards, etc anyway. Visa/etc will be forced to stop sending money to gateways that allow people to purchase bitcoins and it will all come crashing down.
The value of a bitcoins will keep increasing more rapidly until no one uses it. Its only application will be speculating and buying illicit goods/tax evasion. If it ever does start to work on any kind of meaningful scale, the world's governments will quash it.
I'm fine with IP law, copyrights and that whole deal.
The big problem I have is that copyrights are becoming QUICKLY like what they were in England 300 years ago (Which was one of the great things about America during the formation period). Some people now can get up to 150 years to hold a copyright! That's absolutely insane.
The big problem I have is that copyrights are becoming QUICKLY like what they were in England 300 years ago (Which was one of the great things about America during the formation period). Some people now can get up to 150 years to hold a copyright! That's absolutely insane.
Because now we're talking about Products. Physical products from cars to ipads and nike trainers. Possibly even pharma one day.
Of course the 3D printing tech isn't there yet to make such products, but it's possible and this platform gives the designers a reason to make them.
It truly threatens the whole system that we know to be running things.
I was just speculating with someone offline that Rand Paul likely just saved this poor guys a place in history as the first drone strikee on american soil. :thumbsup:
But you're likely right. It'll be an accident, possibly made to look like he was buying drugs or illegal guns and it went south. Too many interests are being threatened here.
So they don't miss that $500 million at all? They aren't concerned that this number is growing?
NOW who's underestimating the banks?
You make the classic mistake of not seeing the many industries that now depend upon bitcoin.
Like Cody says in the film, he'll need bitcoin to be able to do this.
Many industries online already do depend on bitcoin to exist. Gambling for Americans is one of them. (Not fully but it is heading in that direction.)
People were forced to learn how to use Paypal, right? They'll be forced to use bitcoin for things they can't buy with paypal... Or at least buy premium items that aren't available without bitcoin.
It's getting much easier with services like coinbase, instawallet, localbitcoins, and of course bitinstant. It won't take much longer for there to be another, better app than these for acquiring bitcoins, and then one after that and one after that and so on... Hundreds of coders are constantly at work on this problem.
Jersey shore addicts? No. They don't. But enough do.
WAY More than enough do.
It has clearly be shown in the pollings that the majority of support of bitcoin is by libertarians... And we're not talking about a couple thousand here. Don't forget that they've already put up $500 Million dollars between them.
Remember all the times I made a Ron Paul-related thread saying that the media won't reveal the true numbers of people who would vote for Paul? I stand by that point... And there is a constant discussion going on every libertarian-minded board these days about bitcoin.
That will soon be reality in any sector where the government doesn't have a strong grip over the taxing structure... So obviously not the government itself and not big corporations. But all online retail that isn't a big corporation, including things like Namecheap and all kinds of Mom & pop shops both online & offline too!
Your experience was during beta testing, basically. Things are already easier now.
Here's how I'd get bitcoins in a jiffy if i was in the US:
1. Head to walmart, cvs, albertsons, or some other store that sells a variety of gift cards. Buy as many in USD as I want to put into bitcoin.
2. Head over to bitinstant and trade those cards for bitcoin. Simple as you could hope for, & it only takes 30 or so minutes to clear.
If I were more paranoid? I'd just use LocalBitcoins, and buy bitcoins directly in meatspace. This is getting pretty popular now in fact... Which supports my point above about libertarians.
Not in a hurry? I'd use coinbase and just send $ from my bank account to be converted into bitcoin directly, but that takes 2 days. Fees are very low though.
Credit Card processors, not debit.
This is a shortcoming of the bitcoin system that I personally feel is a good thing. Bitcoin can never offer that protection from scheming merchants like credit cards do, but there are other ways to deal with disreputable merchants... Meanwhile no one gets scammed in the opposite direction like they do today in USD.
Of course this has been well understood, talked about, and planned for since day 1. It will scare off some casual users, but the core base that depends on the coin is already in place, and the peer-to-peer nature of bitcoin will protect them.
With $500M already in the system, that value simply isn't just going away. Bitcoin is too strong now to destroy like that.
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...I just don't know how I can argue with this 'logic.'
Are you saying that once a bitcoin is worth a million dollars it will be worth too much to use in trade or something? Remember, it is divisible down to 0.00000001 btc.
Here here!
This fact alone should make every thinking person embrace these techs wholeheartedly.
He does seem to look a bit angry or belligerent, doesn't he?
Matters little though, he's getting the idea out there and if/when he fumbles, there will be a thousand others to pick up the ball.
Excellent. This attitude allows for more time for bitcoin to strengthen.
It's stupid and misplaced, but I'm greatly satisfied that it exists. Carry on.
I'm surprised there isn't such a frenzy over shapeoko or other cheap CnC machines.
Unlike a 3d printer, a shapeoko can actually build the parts to a working gun that will last more than 2 or 3 rounds and is here today.
Unlike a 3d printer, a shapeoko can actually build the parts to a working gun that will last more than 2 or 3 rounds and is here today.
Hmmm.....I have to Blow outta the Cave and venture into the Real World for a bit.....but figured I'd pop in here quick.
3-D Prining/Modeling has been available since the Mid 1980's so it is NOTHING NEW really. It became available/affordable to small business budgets in the early 1990's.
Like "most" New Wonders that seem to have just popped up over night, this has been almost 30 years in the making so that it can become affordable/available to the Public Consumer.
If memory serves me correctly, it was around 2002 that they used a printer based on this technology to Print Candy/Chocolate food products at high end specialty food shops.
To the BitCoin that I see has popped up in here.......I was one of the first to see the future of PayPal when others were poo pooing it.
I can see BitCoin gaining ground and grabbing a share of unconventional exchange methods. But it too will be paid attention to by the Powers that Be once it hits a certain threshold. For now it's not there yet.
Once again, though Lukep is getting CRAP in this thread (Even from me. lol), he's stirred up a decent dialogue again.
Thanks for getting me to pull the 3-D printing outta the Moth Balls of my mind and look at the advances they have made in the technology over the last 20 years.
P.S. My brother is well versed in Mazatrol, so for making FUNCTIONAL products from their CORRECT materials, the 3-D printing subject has never been at the forefront of my mind when it came to making Prototype products that are functional.
Once Auto-Cad introduced the Automation Module for it's 3-D modeling, that was enough for us to test designs prior to actually making them.
So, for me/us the 3-D printer was just another expense/step that wasn't finacially feasible before. Maybe it would/could be now depending on the "MATERIAL" of the product to be Prototyped.
3-D Prining/Modeling has been available since the Mid 1980's so it is NOTHING NEW really. It became available/affordable to small business budgets in the early 1990's.
Like "most" New Wonders that seem to have just popped up over night, this has been almost 30 years in the making so that it can become affordable/available to the Public Consumer.
If memory serves me correctly, it was around 2002 that they used a printer based on this technology to Print Candy/Chocolate food products at high end specialty food shops.
To the BitCoin that I see has popped up in here.......I was one of the first to see the future of PayPal when others were poo pooing it.
I can see BitCoin gaining ground and grabbing a share of unconventional exchange methods. But it too will be paid attention to by the Powers that Be once it hits a certain threshold. For now it's not there yet.
Once again, though Lukep is getting CRAP in this thread (Even from me. lol), he's stirred up a decent dialogue again.
Thanks for getting me to pull the 3-D printing outta the Moth Balls of my mind and look at the advances they have made in the technology over the last 20 years.
P.S. My brother is well versed in Mazatrol, so for making FUNCTIONAL products from their CORRECT materials, the 3-D printing subject has never been at the forefront of my mind when it came to making Prototype products that are functional.
Once Auto-Cad introduced the Automation Module for it's 3-D modeling, that was enough for us to test designs prior to actually making them.
So, for me/us the 3-D printer was just another expense/step that wasn't finacially feasible before. Maybe it would/could be now depending on the "MATERIAL" of the product to be Prototyped.
So according to Luke, Blade was nothing more than a "discovery" that Stephen Norrington just happened to "discover".
Then...
It's gotta be tough dealing with that constant cognitive dissonance.
But then we reach this gem...
In the digital industry, that's exactly what copying is - theft.
TPB guys didn't even try to defend it in court because it was so obvious. They just tried to absolve themselves of culpability by blaming the copyright theft on their users. The problem was, they were quite literally profiting in the trade of stolen goods, so it was kind of hard for their self-appointed martyr label to stick.
You do realize there's literally zero difference between copying a digital product and stealing a digital product, right?
In both cases, the perp ends up with a product that somebody poured blood, sweat, and money into - completely for free and without compensating the creator.
It's just crazy to me how many levels of illogical insanity reside in your head. Just when you think you've reached the bottom, there's new depths to plumb.
Here's a far better example. AstraZeneca spent $60bil in R&D last year developing new types of drugs. In total they spend appx. $11bil per approved drug.
Why would any company have the incentive to spend $11bil in R&D coming up with a drug when they would immediately be flooded out of the market by generics?
Are you saying that someone else, out of the goodness of their heart, would spend $11bil to come out with a drug when they would immediately be competing against people who could undercut them since those generic manufacturers don't need to pay for huge research labs since they aren't inventing new drugs?
I think that the 3D printing proponents, and I know I certainly do, think of these other machines as more 3D printers... It's all tech that makes stuff and will have to converge into one machine to make really good stuff.
What's new is that every household in the US can now affordable download & print things like cups and garden gnomes instead of running to the store for them.
In time the other machines like shapeoko and ones that lay down electronics will all converge into a true star trek replicator... Until then we have indeed crossed one of the most important milestones however, these things are flourishing, and that flourish is going to kill a ton of jobs as the things being printed close down factories that made those same things.
Agreed. But when it is there, what can they do to stop a truly peer-to-peer system? It won't be easy, and if enough people like having inflation-proof savings at that time, then they simply won't comply with any laws that governments make to fight bitcoin.
...It'll be like Prohibition all over again. Instead of alcohol, they'll be fighting our right not to have our wealth destroyed.
That's what I'm here for bro!
I see no dissonance there, just inside your head.
Although I'm convinced you'll never understand this point, I'll say it for those reading: In the bigger picture, the movie's owner has no right to punish others for copying his work. Throughout history mankind has copied other people's work until only recently, when corporations pushed governments to grant them that rights, thereby increasing their profits.
You are completely blind not to see this simple fact. You've been brainwashed Hellblazer, and your argument only serves to make the corporations richer at your own expense.
Lulz... No, it's clearly not. Please go look in a dictionary to see what the word theft actually means.
If it was theft, we'd have to TAKE AWAY their copy... Remove it from their possession. This is the definition of theft, and you actually did already know this deep down before your legal brainwashing trained you to think otherwise.
The fact is that lawyers of large corporations and interest groups like the MPAA & RIAA have REDEFINED theft legally "in the digital industry." ...But it never was defined that way in all of history until these lawyers did this evil thing.
Such is the state of our world today. How about I legally redefine "yours" to mean "Mine" whenever someone enters some place that I don't even own? Is that something you'd like to see?
Only someone who has successfully been brainwashed could believe that 'theft' now means "duplication of something, leaving the original intact."
That doesn't even somewhat mean theft at all... Not even remotely, and you know it! This redefinition is immoral and the people who made these laws should have been canned for being morons who don't understand that we have reason behind words.
You are acting like a complete tool for these corporations.
You keep telling yourself that, but it won't make it true.
They simply knew that the courts enforce law made by corporations. It's that simple.
I will say this; TPB were cowards to play the game of the courts at all. Once caught, they should have stood up on day one of the trial & said "This court cannot be fair. I refuse to take part in a process controlled by my opposition."
So, from your mega-statist viewpoint, this perceived right is surely more important that the alternative? The world that you choose to live in throws people in Jail for COPYING (certainly not stealing) digital files without permission, and this pleases you?
You don't even seem to be aware of what the alternative would be without this system.
The problem with people like you is that you have no concept of opportunity cost. You don't conceive that there is a price you are paying for your current choices... Or you assume they are always sour grapes and that you now have the best outcome.
History shows that is almost never the case.
In case you haven't noticed, I stopped directly insulting you last year. I didn't do this because I'm afraid of you in any possible way; I did it because that kind of childish crap made me a less effective debater. This is something that you could learn a lot from.