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[galacon]

Mate- What is this weird Death Obsession all about? Once again, pull your head out of your ass, and READ the posts. No "conclusion" was made. An opinion was stated.

But I have CERTAINLY performed my due diligence on the subject:

Myths abound about both the acute effects and long-term consequences of this drug, often called ecstasy or "X". Indeed, one reason for the rapid rise in the drug’s popularity is that many young people believe that MDMA is a new safe drug. But MDMA is not new to the scientific community, as many laboratories began investigating this drug in the 1980s, and the picture emerging from their efforts is of a drug that is far from benign. For example, MDMA can cause a dangerous increase in body temperature that can lead to kidney failure. MDMA can also increase heart rate, blood pressure, and heart wall stress. Animal studies show that MDMA can damage specific neurons in the brain. In humans, the research is not conclusive at this time; however, a number of studies show that long-term, heavy MDMA users suffer cognitive deficits, including problems with memory.

Straight from the NIDA site. But oh, wait- that has no value, because it's from "THEM", right? And the disclaimer "not conclusive at this time" means it's safe- at least safer than cigs and booze, correct? You're a fuckin 'tard, bud.

As for questioning authority, you have no idea who you are talking to, mate.

 

[nickster]

Mate- What is this weird Death Obsession all about? Once again, pull your head out of your ass, and READ the posts. No "conclusion" was made. An opinion was stated.

But I have CERTAINLY performed my due diligence on the subject:
Straight from the NIDA site. But oh, wait- that has no value, because it's from "THEM", right? And the disclaimer "not conclusive at this time" means it's safe- at least safer than cigs and booze, correct? You're a fuckin 'tard, bud.

As for questioning authority, you have no idea who you are talking to, mate.

Haha, that is your retort. So a study says that there may be side effects like loss of memory from long-term heavy use and you conclude from that report that MDMA is more dangerous than Alcohol and Cigarettes. What a buffoon!

Your "opinion" on the subject is based on nothing concrete whatsoever so I choose to ridicule it.

I am proud of you for the fact that you got your kid to the age of 21 fine, but if you think for one second that she would have told you if she had taken any drugs then you are more misguided than I originally thought. Most kids get to the age of 21 fine even if they have indulged in MDMA, weed or coke and you (or anyone else for that matter) would most probably never know if they had ever taken them or not.

Kids take drugs, laws or no laws. I say teach them what REAL effects the drugs can have on you and IF you are going to take them how to do so safely. They don't believe adults nowadays because they are being fed so much shit that they know for a fact is untrue.

Also another FACT about MDMA is that most of the deaths caused as a result of MDMA are in fact when it is taken together with alcohol or other drugs or even over ingestion of water. This is the kind of FACT that kids should know.

 

[nickster]

If you don't want me to talk about the mortality rates then what else am I supposed to talk about. As far as I am aware there has been no study that has conclusively (or inconclusively) proved that MDMA has any negative side effects when taken in the kind of quantity that the average teenager would take them in.

Let me ask you, what would the side effects of HEAVY doses of alcohol or cigarettes taken over LONG-TERM? Memory loss? don't make me laugh.

 

[galacon]

Meh, you can't even be debated with, just trollin away. You just keep putting words in other people's mouths. Once again, read my posts, then re-read yours. You're welcome to ridicule my opinion all you like, but you started the name calling, so buckle up.

I know I'm not teaching you anything, you're too fucking sure of yourself. But, I'm kind of enjoying it, and if some sagacity wears off on someone else, that's coolio, so I'll keep this going for a bit.

"Kids take drugs, laws or no laws. I say teach them what REAL effects the drugs can have on you and IF you are going to take them how to do so safely."

No shit, Sherlock... Kids take drugs regardless. Remember? I outed my OWNself on that. But that statement is so fucking stupid it makes my very teeth hurt. It's crystal clear that you haven't got kids of your own. In fact, I strongly suspect you are still one yourself, your claim to be "All Grown Up" to the contrary.

No parent in their right MIND tells a kid "Don't do that, but if you DO, here's HOW to do it." That's a tacit approval, fuckhead, and one of the attitudes that's contributed horribly to the erosion of the American family as a result.

That's like telling someone "Don't point that gun at your head, but if you do, hold it securely with both hands."

As a parent (or educator, which is a term bandied about very loosely these days) you remain Firm in your disapproval, without being Overly Judgmental. And no, I didn't get that from a book or a blog, I wrote it all by myself, calling on personal experience.

As for my kids, I have no illusions... I've been tracking their Facebooks and reading their e-mails for years, something your parents clearly didn't give a fuck enough about you to do.

Here's the bottom line, and while this is just my "Opinion", the raw data is here for all to read...

Teguh (the OP who started this abortion) ranks somewhere between a 0 and a 1 on Kohlberg's Scale. Closer to a zero as he doesn't even seem to be concerned about punishment, either worldly or other-worldly.

You have shown by your posts to be locked up at a 2.

I try to live my life as a 5 or better. I Don't always succeed

And you and teguh are the future.

Good luck, brah.

 

[nickster]

Well done (pat pat) for being a number 5

I myself am not a number and nor do I subscribe to anyone labeling what I am or am not.

I think for myself and use facts as my guide, but am totally aware that facts can also be distorted, so it is up to me to decide what are the motivations behind some of the facts that we are being fed.

By all your reasoning I guess you voted for George Bush Jr. and believe that you were being told the truth about those "weppens of mass destruction"

I can't believe I am actually wasting my time debating with someone who thinks they win an argument or make a point by trying to belittle the opposition with nothing more than bullyboy playground tactics rather than using any type of intellect or logic. But as you said (one of your more coherent points) it may help others to read some common sense as apposed to your "git 'er done" hillbilly attitude.

Every generation has taken drugs in some form or another and by you just telling kids that it is wrong and illegal and "don't do it" has not had ANY positive effect, with the drug problem getting worse and worse. History shows us this. It's time to try something new and I believe that honesty is worth a shot. Kids WILL take drugs, and I for one will want my kids to know all the FACTS rather than just carry on with the same line that your generation and the ones before it have been spouting. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

 

[nickster]

Oh, and no my parents didn't spy on me when I was a teenager and I am still alive and quite successful if I say so myself.

 

[galacon]

I can't believe I am actually wasting my time debating with someone who thinks they win an argument or make a point by trying to belittle the opposition with nothing more than bullyboy playground tactics rather than using any type of intellect or logic. But as you said (one of your more coherent points) it may help others to read some common sense as apposed to your "git 'er done" hillbilly attitude.

Ah, shit. Now you've done it...and just when I thought we were developing a repartee.

You've bored me.

Ta

 

[nickster]

Ta

 

[teguh123]

Well at least in threads like this I learn what works in convincing people. Short simple arguments work. Long articles doesn't.

MDMA vs cigarette. Which one is more dangerous. I was very surprised with the answer my self.

Now I see why so many want to legalize marijuana yet very few want to legalize cocaine and heroine. Somehow they must have seen this graph.

That is from Lancet by the way. The Lancet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It never is about protecting you from your own consent, a very anti libertarian idea. It always about controlling you.

Typing too much also doesn't work. So I'll just come back to this tomorrow and see what you guys have to say.

Crazy or not, idiot or not, my threads are on fire. Is there a way to monetize this skill?

 

[teguh123]

Meh no body is answering.

Okay, here is a video from Peter Jennings on MDMA

Peter Jennings - Ecstasy Rising

Is MDMA dangerous. Everything is. Crossing the road is dangerous. Should it be up to customer or congress to decide that something is too dangerous to take?

Common understanding is when the danger is small and only to the guy doing it, then consumer. If the danger is BIG and affect others, then congress.

Well, walking on rope across tall buildings are legal last time I check.

Lose of cognitive ability and memory loss after a long time my ass. When I am old I WILL loss memory no matter what. It's what I DO NOW that matters. Do I make a lot of money now? Do I get laid now? When I am old, I'll just be a burden for my children. Who care I lost memory or not?

 

[ly2 from WF]

Here's the scary part, folks... I don't think he's kidding. He really believes this garbage. "MDMA is saver than cigarettes"?

I'd agree to that, cigarettes are fucking disgusting and they are FILLED with all sorts of fucking poison. Smoking kills a fuckload more people every year than MDMA even thought about killing. Furthermore, cigarettes are said to be as addictive as heroin though I've never been addicted to heroin so I wouldn't know. I have however been addicted to cigarettes and that shit aint no joke. Fuck cigarettes.

 

[nickster]

Meh no body is answering.

Okay, here is a video from Peter Jennings on MDMA

Peter Jennings - Ecstasy Rising

Wow! That is one eyeopener.

For anyone who doesn't believe that your government is fucking with your belief systems then watch that report (I hadn't seen it previously).

Your government LIED to you about Ecstasy and from that LIE your belief system has been formed to such a degree that a proper debate and presented FACTS don't allow you to budge.

It clearly shows what I was saying previously that telling young people things like "just say no" and feeding them a bunch of lies DOES NOT WORK, has never worked and will never work.

I am not going to comment any more on the subject as I don't think it does teguh any good to have someone agreeing with part of what he says (it just makes him believe that all of his argument has merit) and I think that this argument was well and truly won anyway

 

[nickster]

God I am a smug twat sometimes

 

[always255]

As for my kids, I have no illusions... I've been tracking their Facebooks and reading their e-mails for years, something your parents clearly didn't give a fuck enough about you to do.

I'm going to go with a smh on this one.

Reading emails + stalking facebooks =/= "caring"

 

[teguh123]

Okay we can go on and on about MDMA. When it was legal MILLIONS are using it in 1980. So MDMA is tested on human subjects already. So far, those millions are mostly doing fine. They're not brain damaged or anything. May even have higher income than the rest. I've read that alcoholic has higher income.

When we see government record, we need to understand that government tries to scare us out of drug. So whatever government put must be THE BEST government can come up with. Government is not scientist. More like sellers, or prosecutors.

Let's ignore the unclear statements. Saying that something is very dangerous is not exactly a clear scientific statement. So let's examine the clear ones. Now what's left? If the best government can come up with is "INCONCLUSIVE evidence that MDMA can interfere with memory and cognition in LONG TERM" without even describing how long and how much, that's not very convincing.

I read about marijuana legalization issue. The best government can come up is that marijuana legalization doesn't work because it increases use of marijuana. Think about it. If marijuana legalization actually increase murder rate, for example, government would have put it there. This is not a straw man argument. This is the best man argument. It's the best government can put up without lying. If that's the best you can do, well, tough.

Now go back to rebill vs marriage.

I think we have several issues here:

1. is limitation of rationality. Not simply because you know something you know anything logically implied by it. As the saying goes, read the small print. However, in reality no body would read every TOS of every website. The same way, no body read the whole marriage rules and contract that can be changed all the time anyway. So a way to persuade people is to hide negative material aspects away. Few people can reason that "By the power of the state of bla bla I declare you" mean "You got to keep paying this hoes after she keep fucking others' cock." The logic goes that the power of the state means you agree to be governed by the whim of the states' legislator influenced by the votes of those other cocks. But who would have thought that far?
2. Thought experiment. Say the "I agree to keep paying you cash even though you already openly ride other's cock" is part of the marital vow. After all, that's what men actually effectively agree to right? It should be part of the "I do" thingy. Will that drop marital rate? The fact that it will shows that it's actually a material part of marriage. Which is an important lesson why it should be part of the vow.
3. Outside legal framework, there are ways to maintain contract. One popular way is splitting the contract into small pieces. If people can enforce contract without government then they are free to decide for themselves. Marriage, for example, can be split apart into smaller pieces. You do me one time, I pay $100 first for example. You stop sucking. I stop paying. Wait a minute.... Why is it illegal again?
4. And finally the will of the consenting parties vs the will of those who write contracts. Let's face it. Marriage may be a mistake for Beatty Chadwick. It's a mistake so many swing voters want Beatty to make. Imagine if Beatty don't make that mistake. Then he has 2.5 million dollars and can sleep with 10 beauties. For every Beatty, there will at least be 10 lonely males that want to vote against that under democracy. So yea, the fuck up part of marital deal will not be on the vow. What about if Beatty "import" women from Rusia? Then for every 1 Beatty there will be 10 ugly beldams that'll never get laid. Not that someone with 2.5 million dollars will aim for ugly beldams. But women target can shift "up" and down when polygamy or women trafficking are allowed. Needless to say, I bet in US, those who opposes polygamy are usually middle class male and those who opposes women trafficking are women.
5. The point is, when you get married, everybody's bigotic interest suddenly come into the marriage deal. It's like asking Hitler to be Israel President.

However, I can spread it via thousands of forum with xrumer. Then, people will know about it anyway and think about it. That's what matter.