You spout this bullshit like it's fact. Yet I can tell you that the FACTS of my own experience is that my belief in the reality of this world doesn't change when I travel from home to Asia, yet my symptoms DO change - radically.
You can tell me the facts of your own experience? Or you can tell me your experience as you interpret it?
How can you say you're reality does not change when you are in two different worlds. Your body and mind are most certainly reacting with the reality you perceive around you.
At home, surrounded by the same boring bullshit and deprived of a certain chemical my body gets in Asia I sleep 3-4 times as much, can't find the energy to do anything, can't find the will to care about anything - except getting back to where life makes sense, where I become...normal.
Ah look... you said it right there. "The same boring bullshit". You are convinced that "home" is boring, it's bullshit and it causes you to be unproductive. You are convinced of this, so that's how it is.
I always come home every year for a few months....
Look... You have created this reality. There is a person who believes the same opposite as you. For them Asia is their home. When they go to Australia, they feel it is a whole new world and this invigorates them, but when they come back home they find they get caught up in their same old routines of being unproductive.
Is it really Australia that is causing this problem for you? Is Asia itself really what fixes the problem for you?
No, of course not. It's your perception on these two places that causes you to be the person you are when you are there. How could it be anything else?
I recommend looking into yourself and deeply thinking about why you are the person you are when you're in Australia. Is it the comfort of home? Is it the perception that you know everything about this place and that therefore makes it "boring" and unexciting to you?
As for the rest of your post, you are just playing semantic games. I could just as easily say that cancer isn't a clinical illness, it's just the bodies way of reacting when a free radical reacts with natural cell tissue in a certain way...
We could say that couldn't we ;-)
You say yourself you don't like the "stigma" of the term clinical illness yet you seem to have no problem telling people who suffer from it that it's not a real illness, that it's all in their heads - it's people like you and attitudes like this that leaves many deciding to suffer in silence and potentially leads others to just decide to end that suffering the easy way, rather than endure the humiliation of having some of the things you are saying in this thread aimed at them.
Ah no. This is not the case. I said they are very real and very serious symptoms. I understand the real pain people feel. The real emptiness. And I understand the serious actions people will take under these feelings.
The question is, what needs to happen in order to fix this problem?
Telling the person they are just experiencing a "clinical illness" and they have no control over it, it's just an imbalance in their body. I think that's very detrimental. I think that takes away the one tool that person has to save themselves, which is their own reasoning and their own belief system.
I want to help them too. We just differ on what we believe will help them.
It seems you've never felt it, that's very good for you. But that means you DON'T understand it and so you try to put it into a perspective and terms you CAN understand, fair enough, we all do that. However what are you trying to accomplish by telling everyone here to effectively just pull their heads out of their asses and imply they just need to look at things differently and "get happy"?
I'm trying to accomplish giving someone else the same truths that set me free from my own "depressions". You do not know what problems I've dealt with. And it does not matter.
If I told you my mom committed suicide in front of me when I was 8 and by the time I was 18 I had tried to commit suicide 11 times. If I told you that, would you suddenly go, wow, ok, what he is saying is true. Well if you would, you shouldn't. My own personal history should not color your beliefs towards what I'm saying. It is irrelevant.
Do you think you are telling them anything they haven't told themselves a MILLION times before?
You aren't helping anyone dude...you are just increasing the stigma associated with this illness and re-enforcing the decisions of those who read this thread in silence to STAY in silence and continue suffering in silence. You are welcome to your opinion but when it only really has the potential to hurt others you have to ask yourself what your true motivation is for trying to push that opinion repeatedly on us all?
I think it's interesting you believe my opinion only has the potential to hurt people. I am saying it to help. I believe it has the potential to help if people allow it to stir introspection into themselves and cause them to have their own realizations. I believe it's the only way people suffering with this can truly be fixed. Other outside influences can definitely help, of course they can, but ultimately the person must look inside themselves if they ever want to truly be free of it.
You are projecting the way life is for you onto everybody else.
There are certain chemicals that trigger happy and sad feelings. Self pity, happiness, and depression can easily be explained by having too much (or too little) of a chemical. I'm glad that you don't have those problems, those chemicals are in proper balance for you, and you can mentally do things to make your life better and more happy than you. But don't project your mental well being onto everybody else and assume it is something they can just tough out without the help of others (or medicine).
I guess the question is. What triggers those chemicals to release?
My belief is.
If you tell your body you are sad. If you tell your body life sucks because of X. Your body will go ok, life sucks, no need for dopamine. Your body listens to you.
Lack of
serotonin is a direct cause of depression.
Just like you cannot will cancer away you cannot always will your body to increase the amount of serotonin or serotonin receptors in your body.
Better?
But what is the cause of lack of serotonin?
Sure, but if anybody is feeling down for any period of time they should talk to a doctor. It could "just" be an existential crisis, or it could be rooted in something deeper. Neither of us have the expertise to diagnose one way or the other over the internet.
If anybody is feeling down for any period of time? Seriously?
Ah this mindset that people are unable to help themselves is so detrimental... You get people constantly relying on someone else to solve their problems and then what? You have taken away their only true way of fixing the real problem.
Doctors are paid to diagnose. It's like looking to the FDA for what you should consume, when the FDA is controlled by the companies receiving the approvals.
cardine said:
We are all slaves to our chemical makeup...
Though I would add that those said actions are based not only on the previous atomic structure but also how that structure has been affected by outside forces. Or put simply we are all nothing more than a sum total of our genetics and our environment. Some would add in the soul but even if that is the case, where did this mystical soul come from? Did we have a "choice" in which "soul" we were given? no we didn't....so the illusion of willpower argument still stands whether one is religious or not.
Ah fun. Great so lets talk about this even though it doesn't affect our current discussion.
These people are just the sum total of their environment/genetic makeup.
But wait, the environment has an influence on them right?
Ok, what am I to them? What are you to them? What are their doctors to them?
We are their environment. We are shaping their environment. Which means we have the power to shape them.
I am your environment. In one way or another I am shaping you right now.
The question is, how should we best shape this environment in order to have the highest chance in pointing them in a helpful direction?
I fully understand, whether or not you agree or disagree with what I am saying is up to your prior "shaping". But that does not mean you are not capable of further shaping or changing your prior shaping to this point.
How you decide to interpret this will depend on your prior shaping + current environment influences.
So we are back to the same discussion. What is the best way to shape the environment for people suffering from "psychological disorders"?
This thread makes me want to punch everyone, I've been looking for an official reason to quit WickedFire and the rampant ignorance in this thread is a perfect opportunity.
Fuck all y'all, later folks
I think it's interesting to see the different forms and shapes ignorance takes. We are all ignorant to a certain degree.
It's fun to see all the different opinions people come up with. It's interesting to see all these scenarios played out in front of you. Where different people are at in their self discovery process. Challenges to your own beliefs, new insights from other people etc.
The book Ultrawellness is decent with getting stuff like nutritional deficiencies handled. Pardon their sketchy internet marketing, IMO the book is pretty good though dense as fuck.
