Guitar thread

Okay, so what should I be looking for in a teacher if I want to learn classical guitar and not a variation of?

Slow is fine with me. I like precision more than speed anyhow.


When I used get lessons, I went to a few different teachers. I learned the most from the guys who would teach me form, scales, chord progression, reading music etc. It's not as entertaining as having your teacher show you how to play a Metallica song, but it's definitely more beneficial. Especially if you find a guy who knows how to play a lot of different styles. You start to really see how blues, rock, classical and everything else are all related in some way or another. When you put in your dues with the basics, everything gets easier to learn and exploring music in general gets all that more interesting. just my 2 cents
 


Got a 6 string Fender acoustic . Love just strumming around on it to relieve stress or learn my favorite songs.

Tons of great guitar tutorials on YouTube fyi.

Also prepare for bloody and callused fingers!
 
Tommy Emanuelle is pretty much one of the most all round guitarists i've ever heard, there really isnt a style he cant play.

This is his version of Guitar Boogie, but his classical stuff is impecable and his improv delicious!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmgwNyUcR8Y"]Blues Guitar - Tommy Emmanuel Guitar Boogie - YouTube[/ame]


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Played electric for years, always wanted to learn flamenco. I love the sound of nylon strings.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI9GBshtSM4"]Tomatito - Bésame mucho - YouTube[/ame]

all of my best guitar teachers were jazz guys, but I had one who had a conservatory background and he taught me some of the basic classical pieces/techniques. it's like a different instrument from electric, so I didn't stay with it for very long.

I would start with a list of goals before you start looking for a teacher. What tunes do you want to be able to play? Do you read music? Do you care about writing your own stuff/learning harmony/theory or do you just want to play?

From what I remember of my brief classical lessons, most of the etudes are pretty musical so they're a lot more fun to practice than just running scale patterns. Although nail care, rest strokes and memorizing the pieces was always impossible for me.

The more you spend on an instrument, the faster you'll learn IMO. If you get a cheapy that won't even intonate properly or can't get decent action, it'll piss you off. This is also something you could talk about with potential teachers before you even start.
 
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Sounds like a awesome decision efeezy.

I was gonna post a video of Joe Pass playing a nylon string guitar, but I love this song and Django so listen to this instead:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2Aul5eaJu8"]Joe Pass - Limehouse Blues - YouTube[/ame]
 
15m is good for starters, but after a few months you'll need to get serious about practicing.


Not sure if serious??? Play for 15 minutes a day? Fuck - I WARM UP FOR AT LEAST AN HOUR!!!! That's just warming up: getting both hands and arms conditioned will take a minimum of two hours a day for six months for a newb.

A time frame for learning is contingent on many factors: Who is the teacher? What are their motivations? Ability of the student?

You need to be very careful with guitar teachers who work for music stores. Their only object is to get you to 1) Buy tabs/song books, 2) Upgrade your instrument 3) Keep you in the dark just enough so that you keep coming back but not too much or you won't pay tuition.

Bucket heads original guitar instructor - who is an obnoxious fat prick and can be found on Youtube - recommends a four and half hour a day warm up routine for all guitarists. That is not practical I know, but as a beginner until you develop some muscle memory at least an hour a day devoted to nothing but conditioning your arms and hands and building callouses is a must.

For a classical player , posture and form are critical as well so get versed in that ASAP! Fretting hand position is critical to master. You never want to have your thumb seen when playing classical guitar. It rarely ever leaves the middle of the neck and if it does, have a damn good reason and these are few and far between.

Some advice in general to any aspiring guitarist:
TABS ARE FOR FUCKING MORONS AND USUALLY WRITTEN BY FUCKING MORONS!

DO NOT BECOME DEPENDENT ON TABS TO LEARN SONGS! You box yourself in as a player and don't learn anything.

Learn your chords and develop muscle memory for all the major chords to where you can fret them with your eyes closed. After you master this, learn to pick arpeggios and continue building muscle memory with the same chords but now on both hands. Doing this you know where to find your chords by instinct and can also pick individual strings by instinct (or muscle memory). Once your major chords are mastered then go onto Barre chords, Power chords... later on learn minors, augmented, diminished , 9ths etc.

Once you can do the above move on to: Learning "chord shapes for lead playing". Example: A shape leads, F shape leads and D shape leads.... you will be able to smoke 80% of the guitarists you run into if you master these rather easy techniques.

Also - these lead shapes can be used in every type of music: Metal, Rock, Funk, Jazz, Blues, Country you name it. It's all about phrasing once you learn where to go to find them. There are only 12 notes so Phrasing is of paramount importance.

P.S. - find someone to jam with as soon as possible. Regardless of how bad you suck ass and are embarrassed to play in front of others... JUST DO IT! Usually you can find people who will be eager and more experienced than you to jam with easily off Craigslist.
 
I haven't read all of the replies, this may have been covered already.

When I started to learn guitar, I found lessons incredibly boring. I don't want to learn scales or theory, I want to be able to play Little Wing (insert any song you find interesting).

So I dropped the first teacher out of boredom, this has been like 15+ years ago.

Luckily I had a buddy who was very good and shared my taste in music. Instead of having me run scales, I'd ask how to play specific songs. As I learned the songs, I'd be interested in learning how the chord progressions/scales fit into the equation.

I still know next to nothing about theory. But I can play a lot of stuff by ear.

Also, +1 to jamming once you get past the basics.

I have zero intentions of ever playing in public for money. But I often play in public on open-mic nights to learn from other musicians, expose myself to new music and above all for fun.

Fun is all that matters to me.

Also, Youtube is a goldmine. That's probably a given, but being able to watch how someone plays a song while playing along at anytime is something I would have paid a fortune for when I was starting out.
 
One tip I didn't see mentioned is, regardless of what type of guitar you get, find a good technician in your area and ask them to set it up for you. They can make adjustments to a stock guitar that will, not only help it stay in tune better, but also make it sound significantly better.
 
Didn't read the whole thread, so I apologize if I'm repeating anything.

There's a brand of acoustic guitars called Seagull which never really gets the attention it deserves. They have a subdivision known as "Art & Lutherie" which makes some really killer acoustics and nylons.

For the price point you're looking for, I would check out this guitar:

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Art-Lutherie-AMI-Nylon-Deluxe/dp/B000RW5SPS"]Amazon.com: Art Lutherie AMI Nylon - Cedar Top w/ Deluxe Gig bag: Musical Instruments[/ame]

I had the non-nylon version and it was sick.
 
Not sure if serious??? Play for 15 minutes a day? Fuck - I WARM UP FOR AT LEAST AN HOUR!!!! That's just warming up: getting both hands and arms conditioned will take a minimum of two hours a day for six months for a newb.

A time frame for learning is contingent on many factors: Who is the teacher? What are their motivations? Ability of the student?

You need to be very careful with guitar teachers who work for music stores. Their only object is to get you to 1) Buy tabs/song books, 2) Upgrade your instrument 3) Keep you in the dark just enough so that you keep coming back but not too much or you won't pay tuition.

Bucket heads original guitar instructor - who is an obnoxious fat prick and can be found on Youtube - recommends a four and half hour a day warm up routine for all guitarists. That is not practical I know, but as a beginner until you develop some muscle memory at least an hour a day devoted to nothing but conditioning your arms and hands and building callouses is a must.

For a classical player , posture and form are critical as well so get versed in that ASAP! Fretting hand position is critical to master. You never want to have your thumb seen when playing classical guitar. It rarely ever leaves the middle of the neck and if it does, have a damn good reason and these are few and far between.

Some advice in general to any aspiring guitarist:
TABS ARE FOR FUCKING MORONS AND USUALLY WRITTEN BY FUCKING MORONS!

DO NOT BECOME DEPENDENT ON TABS TO LEARN SONGS! You box yourself in as a player and don't learn anything.

Learn your chords and develop muscle memory for all the major chords to where you can fret them with your eyes closed. After you master this, learn to pick arpeggios and continue building muscle memory with the same chords but now on both hands. Doing this you know where to find your chords by instinct and can also pick individual strings by instinct (or muscle memory). Once your major chords are mastered then go onto Barre chords, Power chords... later on learn minors, augmented, diminished , 9ths etc.

Once you can do the above move on to: Learning "chord shapes for lead playing". Example: A shape leads, F shape leads and D shape leads.... you will be able to smoke 80% of the guitarists you run into if you master these rather easy techniques.

Also - these lead shapes can be used in every type of music: Metal, Rock, Funk, Jazz, Blues, Country you name it. It's all about phrasing once you learn where to go to find them. There are only 12 notes so Phrasing is of paramount importance.

P.S. - find someone to jam with as soon as possible. Regardless of how bad you suck ass and are embarrassed to play in front of others... JUST DO IT! Usually you can find people who will be eager and more experienced than you to jam with easily off Craigslist.

Someone said that he needed to practice for at least 15m a day. I was just trying to make a point that 15m is nothing if you want to get serious about playing.

PERSONALLY, I practiced 1-2 hours a day for about 3 years before I felt like I could play with any reasonable skill level.
 
Been playing for 20 years, although very sparingly for the last 10... if you learn how to play scales, you can play anything... if I had it to over again, I would do that first. Of course, it's easier to learn chords first.


I only play Acoustic now... I bought a Martin D15 about 7 years ago...
 
This is going to sound stupid, but here it is anyway.

Before I started taking lessons last year, I played the shit out of Rocksmith, because you use a real guitar to play it, and kinda play the real cords.

Will it teach you guitar?

NO.

But, it did limber the fuck out of my fingers and built me some nice calluses so that when I started lessons I didn't have to combat that AND the lessons. Made it easier. Of course, take that with a grain of salt because I only took lessons for a couple weeks.
 
I have zero intentions of ever playing in public for money. But I often play in public on open-mic nights to learn from other musicians, expose myself to new music and above all for fun.

Fun is all that matters to me.

This is the idea! Have fun and learn new stuff. I only play to amuse myself. Beats fapping endlessly, but still keeps the forearms conditioned so it's a win - win.

Scales : Excellent idea for a classical player to start here pretty earlier on and memorize... for any other person not wanting to play classical AVOID THEM! If you get myopic on scales every lead you ever play will sound like a scale. A soulless, boring , rigid , linear scale....yawn!

The only scale that has ever sounded cool - and only because Arlen Roth played it:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8eymimAV8k]Eugene's Trick Bag - Crossroads - YouTube[/ame]
 
Didn't read the whole thread, so I apologize if I'm repeating anything.

There's a brand of acoustic guitars called Seagull which never really gets the attention it deserves. They have a subdivision known as "Art & Lutherie" which makes some really killer acoustics and nylons.

For the price point you're looking for, I would check out this guitar:

Amazon.com: Art Lutherie AMI Nylon - Cedar Top w/ Deluxe Gig bag: Musical Instruments

I had the non-nylon version and it was sick.

Man, you're not kidding about the Seagul line of acoustics. They're made by Godin and I discovered them back in the early 2000's. I picked up one of the S6 Folk series on ebay back then for like $199 just to try it out and it has a better sound than my $900 Takamine and some Taylor's I've played. Huge sound for such a little box and the fretboard & construction is really good quality. I've never tried one of their nylon series, but I'll bet those are just as nice. I turned 3 or 4 of my friends on to Seagul's and they all love them. They don't only make entry level guitars, you can get some of their artist series acoustics which are very high quality and fairly expensive.
 
Check out Paco De Lucia for some brilliant flamenco playing. His album "entre dos aquas" is well worth getting.

paco de lucia entre dos aguas original

I saw him live this spring (it was amazing)

My classical is a Cordoba 45FP

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SCwaD1sjr4]Grisha Goryachev tries out a Cordoba 45FP - YouTube[/ame]

to bad I can't play like this guy though!

and dammit, now I just want to play guitar tonight instead of work!
 
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After close to 20 years of not playing, I've decided I want to take up guitar again. Last time I took guitar lessons, I was in middle school and didn't really have a clue why I wanted to learn guitar other than I kinda liked the sound.

Now, after maturing a little bit (not much considering guys never really mature beyond 13 anyhow), I realized I LOVE the sound and style of classical guitar. Also really like flamenco.

Looking at getting a Manuel Rodriguez to start: Manuel Rodriguez C1 Cedar Top Classical Guitar | GuitarCenter

For the price (and to my untrained ear) it sounds pretty incredible.

Would love to hear any stories, tips, tricks, whatever from anybody actually playing right now.

Canon in D (Classical guitar) by Johann Pachelbel - YouTube

This

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xjJXT0C0X4]Canon Rock - YouTube[/ame]
 
Man, you're not kidding about the Seagul line of acoustics. They're made by Godin and I discovered them back in the early 2000's. I picked up one of the S6 Folk series on ebay back then for like $199 just to try it out and it has a better sound than my $900 Takamine and some Taylor's I've played. Huge sound for such a little box and the fretboard & construction is really good quality. I've never tried one of their nylon series, but I'll bet those are just as nice. I turned 3 or 4 of my friends on to Seagul's and they all love them. They don't only make entry level guitars, you can get some of their artist series acoustics which are very high quality and fairly expensive.

Yeah, I had some cedar top Seagull acoustic. The neck played like an electric and the tone was insane.

I had a LP-style Godin as well. It was a little too bright for me, but it played better than any American-level Gibson or Fender.

I have a Yamaha FG730s, really legit acoustic guitar!

Yo. Yamaha's are INSANELY good for the price. This is what I have:

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-Series-Dreadnought-Acoustic-Natural/dp/B0028821FY]Amazon.com: Yamaha L Series LL6 Dreadnought Acoustic Guitar with Case Tinted Natural: Musical Instruments[/ame]