ya this is exactly the problem and if they try to do something stupid like pay weekly to all publishers or something to attract members then its even worse cause they lose shitloads. Bottom line is that a few of these networks will last more than a month.
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ya this is exactly the problem and if they try to do something stupid like pay weekly to all publishers or something to attract members then its even worse cause they lose shitloads. Bottom line is that a few of these networks will last more than a month.
well we got our answer, no more questions now. after this well thought out, professionally written post with lots of hard facts and tons of information to back up the statement, i am fully confident they will not steal data.
so the advertiser has no idea that your shitty "network" even exists. how can you expect to be paid by a company that you have no relationship with whatsoever?
are they giving "networks" the information and tools to deal with fraudulent publishers and all the headaches that go along with running a network? if not, the way they are marketing hasoffers is highly irresponsible.
are they giving "networks" the information and tools to deal with fraudulent publishers and all the headaches that go along with running a network? if not, the way they are marketing hasoffers is highly irresponsible.
This tool is being marketed exactly the same way that ShiftCode was marketed to noobs looking to start incentive sites. Cheap to get in, easy to setup, but since the buyers had no real knowledge of IM, they were serious targets for fraud. The eventual result of ShiftCode was the near destruction of the incentive model. Say what you want about incentive traffic, but before ShiftCode came around, there were many good incentive sites delivering reasonable quality leads to merchants. After ShiftCode though, you might as well ask merchants if you can take a dump in their mouths instead of asking them if they want incentive traffic. You'll get a better answer.
While I obviously don't expect HasOffers to do the same to networks that ShiftCode did to incentive sites, I think this tool will have a negative impact on CPA marketing. With the bar so low, there will be many networks opened up by people that can't even make a buck as publishers. This will lead to many bad experiences and a hit on the overall reps of networks. As networks, we already have to fight through the shit caused by existing fly-by-night outfits. I'd hate to see even more of these nth tier networks come along and make it worse on us.
I think the best solution here would be for all existing networks to refuse to broker their offers to these networks that come out of nowhere. I realize that's a bit of a pipe dream as there are many third and fourth tier networks that are salivating at the chance to have their already rebrokered offers up on these net networks.
Hasoffers doesn't even capture IP address from affiliates signing up (or at least doesn't show it to the free accounts) - That's a good start in fighting fraud, and something that simple is left out? Not sure if I'm a fan of their interface, but that might just be because I haven't used it before.
At the end of the day, HO will get business regardless of how many people are against it. People will sign up and try it out. Per what MaxSteve said, it is best if people don't broker out offers to a bunch of newbie networks that don't understand how to operate a network correctly or what is involved. This of course as he has already indicated, is probably not going to happen. There will be networks that will be willing to broker out offers and networks that will unknowingly be brokering out offers. Their business model isn't going to die.
You were supposed to give me a demo the other day but were too busy. However my first question to you, before any demo, was going to be "what's in this for you?"
How can you give away a million impressions for free (which could amount to 100s of millions across multiple accounts) and what do you have to gain from this?
HarveyJ
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hasoffers has worked great for us on shoemoneyoffers.com but we are only including our own offers... shirts, conferences, books, tools, whatever.
We only have about 2,000 affiliates and detecting fraud is not really rocketscience...
Its funny though how some of the network people in this thread already asked us to put there offers in are now bashing it =P
We only have about 2,000 affiliates and detecting fraud is not really rocketscience...
Its funny though how some of the network people in this thread already asked us to put there offers in are now bashing it =P
I am going to use has offers in next few days. I am starting up but have exclusive offers. Lets see how it goes.
affiliate marketing networks are like banks, they're nothing without their reputation. people won't bother with them if they're not certain they'll be paid, at least with DT networks you know they've some capital
