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"Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one"

That quote truly showed it's ugly face in this thread... but most of them were good.

I'm actually kind of shocked. Partly because so many people are for it, instead of bashing the shit out of me for being a Jew, and the other part because there were so many of you who contacted me or other mods privately and suggested to make it way more expensive than we had originally planned for.

Here's how it's going to work.

The price is going to be set at $35.00 USD per month. (I put that in bold so you don't have to be annoying and ask "what's the fee?") Everyone pays the same fee.

But here's where we'll make it interesting, and hopefully not too confusing...

If you are recommended by a Moderator or you've contributed some good stuff in the past and aren't a moderator or Guide, we'll give you a discount or work out a deal with you (ie. more good shit for no fee per month). The same deal can work with programmers, designers, developers, etc. Anyone who can REALLY contribute and make a difference right away and keep it up, will get either a discount or a free pass. It will work on a case by case basis. If you don't have $35 clams to at least get your ass into the new section, don't PM or email me asking if I can do you a favor, because the answer will be a flat out no. There are TONS of other forums out there that are free. Goodluck with them.

I'm not doing this as a "wow I can get rich off of the members", I'm doing it because it's come to that time where a decision needed to be made a while back and I just put it off for too long. The quality was going to the crapper, our mods were getting irritated by annoying members. Regular lurkers and members were getting sick of these newbie idiots joining, asking questions, getting answers and leaving only to return for more advice or to leech off of more solid info.

The fee itself is a whole 35 bucks. Seriously. If you can't afford 35 bucks a month then you are not only at the wrong forum, but you're also in the wrong line of work. You're better off going elsewhere and weeding through the hoards of garbage that other forums produce every single day. Fail elsewhere. Most other forums that go paid, charge around $100/mo, so compare that with us and we're almost 3x cheaper and most likely 100x more active.

There won't be any sales page, because we don't NEED it. We're also going to cap the number of new paid members we accept every month. If you pay, and turn out to be a dickhead and abuse the rules, you're going to be kicked out, and we're going to take your cash and give it away. We're also going to keep tabs on people who paid and get kicked and pool the cash together and either give it all away to charity or give it away via contests for the members. Sucks for you. But just because you paid, doesn't mean you can act like a cockface or that we owe you anything more than what you're paying for.

So bottom line, if you pay, don't do it just to leech or because you think you're going to make it big overnight. Do it because you genuinely want to learn, because you're tired of nonsense posts, because you're willing to share better ideas, strategies and theories that you'd normally never post here or want other lurkers or engines to see, or a whole bunch of other ideas.

There will still be free sections here. Without a doubt.

Those sections will be: Industry News, Shooting the Shit, Buy Sell Trade, Now for something completely different, Newbie Questions, Feedback, and the Rules area (which is like the weather channel of the forum, because it gets boring REAL quick). We still may keep all of the sections and just pick and choose the ones we want to stick into the new area, but we'll play it by ear and see what works and what doesn't work.

The Mailers area is going to be seperate and will cost a lot more. Reasons for this is that a lot of mailers are saying that their section has the potential to go to shit really quickly and there have also been a lot of people abusing the information posted there. That wasn't the reason for it originally, so we'll decide on a price for that later after we finish the first move.

If you become a paid member, there are plenty of perks that I haven't listed yet, and won't list until we do the move, so that you can decide if it's worth it or not for ya. Honestly, you don't have to make a decision right away, but we're going to close paid premium membership at a capped number that the staff and I will decide on over the weekend.

Some perks that I will list are...
- Paid users get links in sigs without the nofollow shit; free members don't get any links or sigs. Suckers.
- Paid users can create new threads in ALL sections; free users may either be limited per day or won't be allowed to create threads in certain sections, or they will be severely limited.
- ALL paid users get free tickets to Affiliate Summit conferences and some VIP areas at parties during AD:TECH, SES, Affiliate Summit, SMX, etc. (although VIP is usually on a limited issued basis).
- ALL paid users get first access to tickets or limited tickets to our parties and/or events at conferences.
- ALL paid users get to beta our new services and tools/software that we make or others ask us to try.
- ALL paid users get promo codes for niche services/products that I'm securing at the moment for SEM/SEO purposes. Can also be used for reduced fees for some of the premium services other sites offer.
- Paid users can buy and sell services/products from one another without any free members gaining access to it, and since they are paid members, they already have a higher trust level than that of free members, so it should amount to easier and smoother transactions between eachother.

I'll post more info after the changes are made and we start to settle in. To those who have already made up your mind to join up, you get a high five right away for being smart. To those unsure, grow some balls and test it out you big babies. To those who don't think it's worth it, just remember that you probably spend way more cash on really dumb things that have never done anything good for you before.

Have a good weekend.
 


Make it $24.95 and you have yourself a deal. I have children to feed. Wives. Cattle. You're going to make me a beggar under a bridge with your cunning barter skillzes.


<dislocates shoulder patting himself on the back for being 100% right about why this shit is becoming a pay site, and still willing to pay>

:)
 
Dude, I wanna sign up now.. causing know my luck ( like with Eli's Squirt ) the membership ran the fuck out before I could get in. I don't want to be that situation again since this is gonna be capped.
 
As much as I HATE to... I'm going to hold off for now on the paid membership. It truly sucks because wickedfire is the first website I go to when I wake up and the last website I check before I go to bed. It's cocaine, crack and heroine for internet marketers. I guess the reason this place is changing is because it is becoming shwag. What a shame... because I still get more enjoyment out of this site than the vast majority of other websites... even if the percentage of useful information has slowed.

I HAVE gotten a lot of use out of this board. I've built relationships that, WF members section or not, I will continue to develop. But when it comes down to it... I know that WickedFire is the reason these beneficial "partnerships" formed to begin with.

I'm sure a lot of you are saying, "so if wickedfire has done you so well... why can't you spare $35 bucks a month"? Good question. I'm already paying for the squirt membership and to be honest, I can hardly afford that. I've done a little thing called OVERSPENDING and cash flow situation isn't as great as it could be. I have built a lot of equity... but equity doesn't pay the WF membership fee. And I don't want to sell.

I'll be honest with you... I'm a little bit drunk. And as we all know, the truth comes out when you speak your mind. I don't know where I stand in this community. I consider myself a jack of all trades. Unfortunately, that means I'm an expert in nothing. Not in PHP, MySQL, mailing, design, PPC, anything. I know a decent amount about alll.. but have I contributed enough?

That's what I'm thinking about more than anything. Because when it comes down to it, I am a real person. I feel like I've built friendships on this forum... even when the main interaction is "trigatch go fuck yourself you worthless piece of cock blowing scandaless whore monkey, gay vagina, thumb twiddling cock blower who eats butts for breakfast, dicks for dessert and thinks the sun rises and sets at his command."

Simply put... I would hate to feel like I am one of the douche bags who this system is trying to get rid of. But, in all honesty, I feel a little bit alienated by this thread. Probably because I'm in between... I don't have a side to take.

dsI am going to make it in this game whether you like it or not. I love to offer advice when I have the knowledge to instill. But being an idea person can often be a burden. I think of a million ideas a day but most of them I can't implement. The ones I know I will never implement - I share.

By the way... what ever happened to BlastYourAss? He was a 3 month wonder. If he was here you know he would start some ridiculous thread that garnered a billion page views and tons of responses. I think that's what I like abou this place... the dynamic personalities. But I've also come to learn usernames and often times in threads I will skip over everything and only read what the people I know have to say. I will miss those people when and if they leave.

I haven't (and won't) proof read this so maybe nothing makes sense. All I have to say is that I know there are a shit-ton of people in my boat who feel like they are part of a community that is moving on without them. It's a shitty feeling. For me, the void created by this incident will be filled with hard work... DO IT FUCKING NOW as many of us have quoted from SEOBLACKHAT will become much easier. Then the fruits of labor will be much easier received.

Perhaps this is a blessing in disguise. But if I may say ONE thing in closing... "I love you WickedFire. And I'll miss you... but hopefully not for too long."
 
What a phony piece of shit! Jon your a fucking fag! I mean that.

You cock do you remember why you started your blog? Why you launched this forum?

" I just want to give back, I want to create a free resource for, blahh, blahhh, mother fucking blahh!!" I got pissed once and even suggested making this a paid forum, though that would be the wrong way to go seeings what the circumstances where surrounding its creation, but youve made so many other bullshit claims and attempts why the fuck not!

In the year and a half this forum has been up Jon you have fell short on every claim you ever made, you have also contributed shit yourself! Here, give me a niche and ill give you a keyword list, come on man. Give us another post on IBL's. Your full of shit an phony man! My only mistake was was actually believing that you were a straight shooter, otherwise I never would have joined this forum a year and a half or so a go.

Like all your claims and promises, this site isnt even close to being fully developed yet, I believe you were supposed to have the other areas done almost a year ago, in fact it was around the time of ASW LV that you said all the areas were done and they were ready to be launched, but nothing happened.

I could go on and on, as well as any other person that is real and has been around from the beginning, but I wont. Good luck you Jewish fuck! One day youll grow up junior and realize that being real is more important than putting a few dollars in your bill fold.

I really hope you reconsider, Id really hate to leave this board, but I refuse to pay shit to be a member here, just because of all the shit you talked about coming up from nothing and giving back to people freely and openly.....

I mean this forum was started for the newbs according to you a year or so ago, fuck it........

Good luck everyone! I had a blast while I was here and yes I do agree that the quality of posts has taken a huge decline, but it was still nice being part of one of the best "free" , ""open" and "uncensored" webmaster forums on the net, while it lasted.

Jer
 
Already refreshing to see snap decisions instituted...or with a short timeframe.
keeps life exciting?




Why not just wait and see.
If you've been contributing and are an asset, you should be recognized.

If not, just move elsewhere.

Pretty simple equation isn't it?

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On the question of membership fees, imposing a subscription weeds out the weak and the freebie seekers.

more important than what you PAY, is what you will get out of it (eg. VALUE).

If you're paying $100/month and you use that info and make an extra $1,000/month from that, the $100 is cheap by comparison.

If you're paying $5/month and you get shit-all for it, it's still $5 down the drain...

Once subscription is levied, there're expectations of higher quality and I'm sure there should be more in the plans than just paying $$$ to have a private place to talk.

If there's additional content/software/tools or other useful shit coming with the subscription, the fees make sense...

If that were true, well than hell yes it would be worth it, but lets be real your not going to learn anything from any forum that will make you bling. the only way to do that is by playing your own game and learning from trial and error. No forum is worth a subscription fee. Its just like these ebooks Jon is so fagish about. Why pay for the common knowledge when its out there and free, thats all youll get from any forum. NO ONE is going to give you the golden key on any forum, free or payed!

Save your $35 a month and use it for pens and paper to jot ideas down on, use it to buy a gay link, use it to buy some cheap traffic, whatever, but dont waste it on a forum that was built around being a free and open resource.
 
This is such bullshit. I'm not about to blow $35 of my advertising budget for this forum that hasn't proven it can actually deliver a value besides what members contribute.

Sig links? Blah.

Free tickets to conferences, uh, you were already doing that..

Beta new services? Umm, what? 18 months of new services promises. Nothing delivered. Oh, and I love how we get to pay to play with buggy software. How about free beta for all users and the actual cleaned up services offered free to paid members. Yeah, that's a value..

Paid users can contribute new thread topics. Cool, so new members who might know something can't contribute their knowledge without paying you for the privilege. Awesome idea.

Paid users can buy and sell services/products from one another without any free members gaining access to it
Too bad most paid services come from new members usually.

This is interesting. Charging money for memberships to something your members freely contribute already. What about paying contributors then for the exclusive right to use their content under a paid model?

What about idiots like me who manage to contribute enough to rack up 2 trillion rep points. Do we get to beg?

Yeah, this is going to work well. See you on the free side. Sucks.. but I'll get over it. :D
 
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This is such bullshit. I'm not about to blow $35 of my advertising budget for this forum that hasn't proven it can actually deliver a value besides what members contribute.

Sig links? Blah.

Free tickets to conferences, uh, you were already doing that..

Beta new services? Umm, what? 18 months of new services promises. Nothing delivered. Oh, and I love how we get to pay to play with buggy software. How about free beta for all users and the actual cleaned up services offered free to paid members. Yeah, that's a value..

Paid users can contribute new thread topics. Cool, so new members who might know something can't contribute their knowledge without paying you for the privilege. Awesome idea.

Too bad most paid services come from new members usually.

This is interesting. Charging money for memberships to something your members freely contribute already. What about paying contributors then for the exclusive right to use their content under a paid model?

What about idiots like me who manage to contribute enough to rack up 2 trillion rep points. Do we get to beg?

Yeah, this is going to work well. See you on the free side. Sucks.. but I'll get over it. :D

Oh I'm sorry Princess Scott, I didn't know you were so sensitive to spending $35/mo. Would you like some WickedFire branded foodstamps to get you by?

Oh you're pissed about not getting access to stuff we've developed before so you're whining about it now hoping some other people will come to your side and rise up against making a private section so that freeloaders and leaches (perhaps like you) can save themselves from spending a whole $35.

So $35 from your "advertising budget" would leave you with what exactly? $20 left over? Perhaps it's time you meet a friend by the name of REALITY.

I don't think you're pissed about the price or any of the private stuff, I think you're pissed because your sig link makes you more money than advertising elsewhere, and now you're going to be forced to spam your services alongside of Indians and others on DP or wherever you came from.

Boo hoo. Grow some balls will ya? You girly man you.
 
If that were true, well than hell yes it would be worth it, but lets be real your not going to learn anything from any forum that will make you bling. the only way to do that is by playing your own game and learning from trial and error. No forum is worth a subscription fee. Its just like these ebooks Jon is so fagish about. Why pay for the common knowledge when its out there and free, thats all youll get from any forum. NO ONE is going to give you the golden key on any forum, free or payed!

Save your $35 a month and use it for pens and paper to jot ideas down on, use it to buy a gay link, use it to buy some cheap traffic, whatever, but dont waste it on a forum that was built around being a free and open resource.

So you're saying that you didn't learn shit from WickedFire after the 1.5 years it's been open for? Well, then the paid section is definitely not for you. The free areas where you wasted all your time is still going to be open, so you can continue to spend your time there just like you have for the last year and half and be in the same position as you were back then.

No, you won't learn how to make a cajillion dollars. No there are no free ebooks or any type of that shit in the paid area. It's just my way of making MY life and the MODS lives easier. You have no idea what it takes to run a forum. You probably think it's just a server and some software and posting for fun and kicks. You have no idea how much side stuff you have to give up in terms of your time and effort every fucking day. You have no idea how badly I wanted to keep it open for free forever, and how bad I felt when I had to come to terms with a decision...

Look at a forum like SEOBH, Quadszilla got BLASTED for making it $100/mo. Most people talked shit about it left and right. Even I was against it. That was until I went inside and saw for myself. Addicted in no time flat. That guy may have lost 1000's of potential members, but at the same time he preserved so much fucking great information, and made it worth his while by finally making money for what he did. Yeah, the place doesn't have much live activity going, but spending about a month in there, you can pick up more shit from paying $100 or $200 there than from anyone or anywhere else I've ever considered a "valuable resource" for blackhat SEO stuff. Bash him and his decision all ya like, but you've never been inside it, and neither have all the bashers. And then when they finally do go inside, they all seem to shut the hell up and consume everything they can. Quadszilla is the fucking man for doing that. Eli and Quadszilla both charge $100/mo, SEOBH is NOT for newbies, and neither is WickedFire. But then again he's niche speicifc and so is Eli. And they both caught serious shit talking from people, but that's because those complainers are NOT INSIDE, so they don't speak from experience, they speak from either being too much of a pussy to put up some cash and take a chance or because they are just too fucking dumb and lazy to test it out.

Either way, I'm going forward with this, and if you don't agree, so be it. But this is how things are now. So put up some cash, test it out, and if you hate, bitch allllllll ya like. But if you don't try it and complain without knowing what's inside and what's different then all you are is a joke. Or you can try it for a month and then you can thank me and everyone later for finally giving you the kick in the ass you needed to join up and have fun and learn.

THE END.
 
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