Hostess going out of business
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hostessbrands.infoOne of you could still target the URL (also the search keyword) with PPV with some juicy Bizopp offers. You could even buy a Bentley if played right
Everyone commenting on this, please weigh in and tell me how many of you have ever actually belonged to a fucking union, and how did that work out for ya?
I did for many years, in one of the Strongest Unions In The World, and it was a phenomenal ASSFUCKING all the way around, both as a worker, and even more so as a small businessman.
Lemme explain in really simple terms: Union is supposed to mean: Together We Stand. Here's how it really works:
Power for the Few, and Unrighteous Protection for the Worthless and Unemployable Many.
And Moxie, STFU. We aren't talking about a privately negotiated service scenario like mowing a fucking lawn, where the local market largely determines the price- we are talking about a communistic cabal that will shove the largest possible price down your throat regardless of the fair value of the work, no matter what, and if you want your "Lawn Mowed" you will fucking well PAY IT, or you won't be putting your cream filling in anything.
Word.
I did for many years, in one of the Strongest Unions In The World, and it was a phenomenal ASSFUCKING all the way around, both as a worker, and even more so as a small businessman.
Lemme explain in really simple terms: Union is supposed to mean: Together We Stand. Here's how it really works:
Power for the Few, and Unrighteous Protection for the Worthless and Unemployable Many.
And Moxie, STFU. We aren't talking about a privately negotiated service scenario like mowing a fucking lawn, where the local market largely determines the price- we are talking about a communistic cabal that will shove the largest possible price down your throat regardless of the fair value of the work, no matter what, and if you want your "Lawn Mowed" you will fucking well PAY IT, or you won't be putting your cream filling in anything.
Word.
If you voluntarily choose to be a member for "many years", that would suggest you received some type of benefit from it.
McKee Foods (Little Debbie) and Bimbo Bakeries (Entenmann) do not have union workers and they get their "lawns mowed" just fine.
Not all Hostess workers belonged to the same union - thousands of them were part of the Teamsters and they agreed to the offer from Hostess. The Teamsters also criticized the baker union for not doing the same and urged them to hold a secret ballot vote. Fanatical union opponents seem to be ignoring this though, maybe because it doesn't fit in with their black/white narrative.
The fact that America is at its fattest and this fucking dessert company can't stay in business really shows how poorly managed their company must have been. They should be as powerful as Apple with the type of market they're in in America, my god.
Bro, you have a serious problem with making assumptions. The trade and market I worked in for "many years" REQUIRED Union Membership. If I wanted to work and contract in that market, I paid to play. There was no "Voluntary" about it, get it?
Once again, here's a flawed assumption and evidence of your lack of knowledge of the subject. McKee foods manufactures almost 100% in Tennessee, my man- a "right to work" state with a strong sense of personal responsibility. There is no real reason to unionize - Jack McKee is a smart guy, and actually pays his people OVER union scale If They Merit It.
If. They. Merit. It. Read between those lines, mate.
And Entenmann's? God, now you're really showing your inner fucktard. Entenmann's had THE BIGGEST BAKERY IN THE WORLD in my old hometown, Chicago, up until 2008, 100% staffed by incredibly over-paid and troublesome UNION WORKERS. This was the MAIN REASON Weston sold the company and all assets to Bimbo...
WHICH IS A MEXICAN COMPANY, which promptly SHUT DOWN the Chicago and ALL other Union plants. You should have Googled your bullshit a bit deeper, mate.
Let's not even get into the character of the Teamsters leadership, OK? Suffice to say their leadership will do ANYTHING to avoid slaying the golden goose, and their membership be damned.
But your statement kinda makes my point- how cool is it that a fraction of a companies' supposedly "At Will" workers can decide the fate of all? What should we call that? I call it fucked. But according to your next assumption, I'm just a...
But I'm not. I think unions serve as a valuable check and balance when they are working right, but they almost never do. There's too much temptation and corruption, and the basic operation of most unions is flawed imho- until a union agrees to allow merit calculations into the mix, they will continue to decline. The ones who have loosened up their strangle holds and actually become Partners with the businesses they serve are thriving, but they are few and far between.
I'll finish up with a caveat: this diatribe is about Unions- NOT Hostess, which was one of the most poorly managed companies in existence, and was largely run into the ground by management, as previously noted, so I'm NOT trying to protect those thieving fucktards. I'm just calling out the OTHER set of thieving fucktards, and giving the benefit of what I personally have learned about dealing with unions, which is mainly...
DON'T. Deal fairly and honestly with your people, and share the wealth freely- give them absolutely ZERO reason to even contemplate unionizing. You'll thank me later.
And if you're trapped trying to get a job or do business in one of the 27 states that COMPELS membership in order to work in certain "protected" industries?
Good luck bros
Actually the company was not run into the ground by all management. Executives were in a stranglehold dealing with ridiculous union managers and the 2 worst equity firms you could imagine.
I spent 2 years sleeping with a loaded gun next to me because if this situation and trust me when I say that all the BS you read in the papers and on news sites is about 1/10th of the story and skewed completely by the money sides.
Written and verbal death threats against families and children, murdered pets, people worried for their lives, this whole situation was completely screwed up and all over some bread and snack cakes.
Good riddance to the way it was set up and the unions and I am excited to see how the snack cake portion ends up.
I spent 2 years sleeping with a loaded gun next to me because if this situation and trust me when I say that all the BS you read in the papers and on news sites is about 1/10th of the story and skewed completely by the money sides.
Written and verbal death threats against families and children, murdered pets, people worried for their lives, this whole situation was completely screwed up and all over some bread and snack cakes.
Good riddance to the way it was set up and the unions and I am excited to see how the snack cake portion ends up.
So these fuckers got 25% of the company, and a $100 million, and still decided to strike? Seems pretty sensible to me.
You voluntarily choose that particular job market, no?
This is partly the type of thing I'm talking about. After bankruptcy, nobody forced Hostess to continue to run plants in 30 or whatever states. Unlike Entenmann, they decided to keep two going in Illinois and in other union strong places like Philadelphia.
OK, I agree with most of this.
Good luck bros
Inb4 someone in the bump when High thread catches this and and offers to negotiate a licensing agreement to make Twinkies...
Yeah, but not exactly the way you envision it- I started as a non-union electrician, but when I went into business for myself, I discovered (much to my dismay) that the ONLY way to grow and do business at any decent level was to buckle under to the union, as every GC of any size and scope required it due to THEIR contracts with THEIR unions, which is collusionary as I see it.
Otherwise I would have been trapped busting bungalows for peanuts, while every decent commercial project was closed to me, including ALL school, state, and federal work.
But once in, I was bound by some pretty fucked up working rules. I'll give you a quick example: I had 26 guys going on a school job, and due to the workload in my county, the local could only provide around 6-7 guys- the rest were all working, so I had to take on what are called "book 2" people- these are out-of-towners who sign the books and are placed only AFTER all the local hands go out.
I got some real fucks, but I also got some winners too, but every single one of my "local bros" was a lazy, shitheaded, good for nothing scumbag. Every single one. So I started laying them off, but lo here comes the business agent, who aggressively informs me that if I want to lay off a local, I have to get rid of ALL my travelers first.
Yeah, shit can good people who are doing the work, to protect some drunken fucktards instead. And I can cite chapter and verse on dozens of other examples, but you get my point.
I ask you, what would you call that kind of shit? I call it rank communist scumbaggery.
Fuck Unions. :boid:
inb4 umadbro
When I worked in the auto industry I had the good fortune to work for a company that had both union and non-union plants. I was in management so i was able to manage either kind. We had one non-union plant and several union plants with 3 different contracts (one for skilled trades, one for press techs and one for weld techs).
The non-union plant always destroyed the others in productivity. Also, we were able to pay our good workers more because there was no contract forcing us to use an even pay scale. We had an entry level wage for everyone, then the good workers would get bigger bumps than the shitty workers. Also, we were able to assign the best people to certain jobs rather than go by seniority which helped us get the job done right, and quicker.
I had good workers in the union plants too, and strangely enough they hated the union. They made my job easier so I would give them whatever I could, but the union had my hands tied. I was allowed to pay them through lunch so they could get 1/2 hour OT, but that ain't shit. Some of these guys were worth double what they were making but I couldn't pay them. Meanwhile some fucknut that was there for 20 years and not worth a fuck would get all the OT and make everyone's life miserable.
In the non-union plant I would get an assignment from higher up and they'd just tell me "put a team together", and I could pick the best guys for the job. Not a chance in hell of doing something like that in the union shops.
The unions are there to protect the shitty workers, and hold back the good workers. By putting everyone on equal footing that's what happens. As a manager, I represented the interest of the company, which was to maximize profit. At no point would I have wanted to fuck over my good workers, and in fact I would do what I could to make their job easier. Why? Because taking care of your good workers maximizes profit for the company. Good workers don't need a union because management will do everything in their power to take care of those guys.
The non-union plant always destroyed the others in productivity. Also, we were able to pay our good workers more because there was no contract forcing us to use an even pay scale. We had an entry level wage for everyone, then the good workers would get bigger bumps than the shitty workers. Also, we were able to assign the best people to certain jobs rather than go by seniority which helped us get the job done right, and quicker.
I had good workers in the union plants too, and strangely enough they hated the union. They made my job easier so I would give them whatever I could, but the union had my hands tied. I was allowed to pay them through lunch so they could get 1/2 hour OT, but that ain't shit. Some of these guys were worth double what they were making but I couldn't pay them. Meanwhile some fucknut that was there for 20 years and not worth a fuck would get all the OT and make everyone's life miserable.
In the non-union plant I would get an assignment from higher up and they'd just tell me "put a team together", and I could pick the best guys for the job. Not a chance in hell of doing something like that in the union shops.
The unions are there to protect the shitty workers, and hold back the good workers. By putting everyone on equal footing that's what happens. As a manager, I represented the interest of the company, which was to maximize profit. At no point would I have wanted to fuck over my good workers, and in fact I would do what I could to make their job easier. Why? Because taking care of your good workers maximizes profit for the company. Good workers don't need a union because management will do everything in their power to take care of those guys.
