How to get out of this Mess - The real thread

I enjoy the luxury of never having owned a US citizenship. The paperwork I have to do is way less. I just do as i please and have never had to comply with many rules because I take care of situations before they arise. The newsletters Ive mentioned dont hit your box regular. Those guys just write about stuff they hear when it happens.

And for some weird reason I enjoy being pestered on skype.
 


charlesmartel said:
Here's something out of the matrix to consider. Something so diabolical, it would make Obama turn white. If you ever want to come back to the US, why not come back as an illegal alien? After all, it's not really a crime according to our great potentate! It's a lowly misdemeanor.

In some states, you can still get a driver license and insurance. But who cares? If you don't have it, just say you're here illegally! Go to Cali. You can live w/o any worries. No need to worry about driving drunk, not having insurance, etc. No need to abide by any of the laws that enslave the gringos.

So, renounce your citizenship. Return whenever you want. Keep your money offshore. Drain the beast. And if the country does turn around, I'm sure there will be amnesties.
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Don't forget to apply for welfare benefits! :thumbsup:
 
hahah

gotta love these yahoos..



oh noes gotta leave the states.


lets live off the grid.


oh whey...im still being tracked via my SSN


damn you government...


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I forgot to mention. If you come back to the US as an illegal alien, just have a kid. That's practically instant citizenship! You will NEVER get deported if you have a kid here. Plus, you get all the welfare you can handle! Free EBT cards for food. Heck, you can even sell those cards for cash!!

But wait! There's more! In Cali you can even get in-state tuition and government college grants if you're here illegally! You see, there really is no benefit to being here legally. Don't be a sucker and let your kids come from Arizona or elsewhere to Cali for school. They have to pay high in-state tution. Make sure they're illegals because they'll get cheap or FREE in-state tuition!

The benefits are endless! Imagine how nice it would be to never worry about paying your medical bills. Got a cut? Just walk into the local emergency room and toss any bill you get in the trash!
 
geomark said:
Interesting exchange rate history the MNT has. What happened in 2009?:
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I remember reading something in FT about how they became 'noticed' on the world stage in 2009 for their unique mining and tax situations... It's been a long time since I read the article but I distinctly remember that they said it's a new hotspot for international business and is rapidly becoming modernized.
 
Have you even considered Argentina? It's actually easy to get a citizenship here, beasts from the Peruvian and bolivian underworld get theirs in no time when they come here illegaly.

And even though inflation has taken its toll during recent years, you can still ball really hard with a lot less dollars than you'd need in the US to live decently.
 
That spike at the beginning of 2009 would have been pretty scary if you were holding a lot of MNT, going from around 1150 to the USD to 1600. Looks like it's coming back to normal levels but still quite volatile.

BTW, for Lukep, since you're planning to move to Thailand I thought I would make you feel bad with this chart:
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You should've moved your money into THB a long time ago. It's pretty obvious what's happening to the USD when the currency of a banana republic like Thailand shows such a steady appreciation against the dollar. Of course, it's not too late since every day the dollar gets weaker and if your guess about the effects of the BRICS agreement is correct it will accelerate.
 
Places you should consider if you want to live abroad: Brasil and Argentina.

On both countries:
Hot women, fantastic food and great weather. Oh and corruption, with some money you can do just about anything or get out of any mess.

By the way Holland, Luxembourg and Switzerland are the shit if you like to live in super organized countries, were people wont even tolerate a fart in public, but they have freaking bad weather all year long and the people is cold as ice (in Holland they are nicer).

On a side note, if you have no idea were to go, just pick a 3rd world/developing country, check the crime rate and choose one. There are plenty of peaceful places to live in the world.
 
xpathfucker said:
Places you should consider if you want to live abroad: Brasil and Argentina.

On both countries:
Hot women, fantastic food and great weather. Oh and corruption, with some money you can do just about anything or get out of any mess.

By the way Holland, Luxembourg and Switzerland are the shit if you like to live in super organized countries, were people wont even tolerate a fart in public, but they have freaking bad weather all year long and the people is cold as ice (in Holland they are nicer).

On a side note, if you have no idea were to go, just pick a 3rd world/developing country, check the crime rate and choose one. There are plenty of peaceful places to live in the world.
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I've seen Argentina mentioned a couple of times. Wondering if you guys read the stories by FerFal who lived through the collapse in 2001. I think he posted his stories just a few years ago. Home invasion robberies with torture and rapes were daily events all over the country. Have things really improved enough to move there?

If you didn't see the links here they are again:

geomark said:
For hardcore survivalists, the story of the Argentinian guy who lived through that country's financial collapse is very interesting. Read all three parts - there are gems throughout. Some insights near the end of part 3 where he points out what he considers a few common faults of traditional survivalist approaches, including the fortified retreat and how important cash is even as it rapidly devalues.

http://www.rapidtrends.com/surving-argentinas-economic-collapse-part-1-3/
http://www.rapidtrends.com/surving-argentinas-economic-collapse-part-2-3/
http://www.rapidtrends.com/surving-argentinas-economic-collapse-part-3-3/
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geomark said:
I've seen Argentina mentioned a couple of times. Wondering if you guys read the stories by FerFal who lived through the collapse in 2001. I think he posted his stories just a few years ago. Home invasion robberies with torture and rapes were daily events all over the country. Have things really improved enough to move there?

If you didn't see the links here they are again:
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I don't know about that but I've been to Argentina and Brazil both a few times. Whenever I've visited Argentina, I've gotten the feeling that the country will never get it right. Brazil is far from perfect but seems to have more promise. I've been to Chile once and that country has its shit together. Definitely a different breed for which I thank the late great Pinochet.
 
FerFal pointed out that the places tourist visit in Argentina are quite different than where residents live. He was fighting off violent criminals while tourists were sipping martinis ensconced in highly guarded enclaves. Anybody on this forum live there now?
 
I asked one of my friends who is from there and currently lives there (Argentina). He's away from his PC, but I gave him the link to the thread hopefully he'll chime in.
 
ok. I'll definitely make a thread about Argentina soon.

Yes, many of the things said are true, violent crimes, kidnappings and "express kidnappings" have been on the rise for a long time, there are about (at least) 10 million people living under the poverty line (for a total of 40 million).

Marginalized populations have been growing for decades, these families have around 5 kids while a regular middle-class family have or two. Gov gives incentives to the poor to keep having children, sort of "food stamps" so they can get their votes.

Criminal dont go to jail for long, and they are back to the streets to keep killing. Corruption levels are indeed insanely high, this includes police, judges, political leaders and so on.....

HOWEVER, its FAR AWAY from getting as violent as Brazil, check the list below with the most dangerous cities and you will realize that none Argentinian city is amongst those.

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There are safe neighborhoods and slums that look like a devastated land filled with zombies just like a movie

Slum Villa 31

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Check out this thread with pics of Belgrano R neighborhood in Buenos Aires

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I've got a different on both Brazil and Argentina. Yes they have social problems, but if you have money to live abroad, let's assume 5/10k dollars a month, those problems would be very far from you. There you could easily live in a condo with 24/7 security for a fraction of what people pay in the US.

So there is poor people and ghettos...aren't there any in the US (also gangs and shit)?
 
xpathfucker said:
I've got a different on both Brazil and Argentina. Yes they have social problems, but if you have money to live abroad, let's assume 5/10k dollars a month, those problems would be very far from you. There you could easily live in a condo with 24/7 security for a fraction of what people pay in the US.

So there is poor people and ghettos...aren't there any in the US (also gangs and shit)?
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While theres certainly some truth to that, I like how "oh my god freedom loving" people elect to spend their time hiding behind paid security.

Get a beachfront house on an island in thailand or move to singapore. Theres plenty of livestyles in asia to choose form and no roaming thugs that give a shit about you.
 
wayn3 said:
While theres certainly some truth to that, I like how "oh my god freedom loving" people elect to spend their time hiding behind paid security.

Get a beachfront house on an island in thailand or move to singapore. Theres plenty of livestyles in asia to choose form and no roaming thugs that give a shit about you.
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Southern Brazil is more European (Italian, German, etc) and productive and has a lot less crime. You could live comfortably and safely on the beach in Florianopolis or farther in somewhere like Blumenau, home of the world's largest Oktoberfest outside of Germany.

Blog of an American who moved to Florianopolis.

Floripa Living
 
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