I think I have a fair idea. I just don't feel the need to thump my chest about and/or talk about my training and experiences. It comes off as douchebaggery at its finest, IMO.Again, I don't want to come off as a blowhard know-it-all but I've had my fair share of *ahem* "combat training" as you also want to put it for some goddamn reason I can't imagine. :eek7:
I'm only quoting what you've been quoting. I didn't coin the term "Combat fighting", if you didn't use it first, maybe you were quoting someone else and I read your quote, but Fighting is fighting, there is only so many ways a body can be manipulated or struck. There are four basic areas, punching, kicking, wrestling and ground fighting. You can add all the little dirty tactics you want into those areas, but those are the areas.
Remember..dirty tactics can be applied by both parties...Just because I train MMA doesn't mean I have to stick to the rules on the street...I can stick my thumbs in both your eyes just as easy as anyone else..but I can do it from a superior position.,
Spoken like a person that has only fought on a nice, clean mat. IRL there are obstacles around you, people around you, etc.
It's just as important to be aware of what's behind you, above you, and below you as it is to be aware of your aggressor.
lol, ask anyone know who knows me, I don't wan't to say where I've been but for arguments sake... just know that isn't true. I've been in EXTREMLY hostile environments where you can easily die and in fact people die every day. There is nothing brag worthy about it and I wouldn't even bring it up if not to refute your comment on my experience being "Sport only". I'm not telling you that going to the floor is the best option. You apply the appropriate skills to the situation.
If you are surrounded by unknowns or multiple people, then you want to use boxing/kickboxing and then wrestling to AVOID going to the floor...if you get punched and you fall on the floor and he jumps on you..you want to use Jiu-jitsu/wrestling to sweep him and get up if your at risk of being attacked by other people...or finish him from a superior position.
Quit confining Jiu-Jitsu to some little box, like we instantly become retarded and start trying to do flying triangles on people or pulling inverted guards on the street lol. Training in MMA, helps you in other areas, your conditioned, your reflexes are better, your balance, your hand eye coordination. Your balance, your strength. You have skills to strike, to be mobile, you have wrestling to avoid going to the ground if their is multiple attackers or the option to take your opponent to the floor if he is taller and you are alone. You have jiu-jitsu to fight from your back if you have no choice or to again, fight from the top if it is one on one.
It reminds me of this time at a bar, there was a famous wrestler (like WWF guy), I forget the guys name now, but he was this giant guy but who also wrestled at an olympic level as far as sport wrestling goes. And at the bar, this drunk guy starts making fun of him about it being fake wrestling...and the wrestler walked up to him, right in his face and said...."You think I can't do that shit to you right now, right here". The guy gulped, and realized, just because the guy wrestled for entertainment and it was scripted, didn't mean he wasn't gigantic, strong and fully capable of smashing the guy.
The guy illogically assumed because that type of wrestling was fake, that the wrestlers skills and other attributes were fake as well. Its the same thing you are doing with MMA, just because we do it in a cage with a mat under our feet..and we consciously follow rules...doesn't mean that we are limited to those abilities and techniques only when we get in a fight in "the street".
You're assuming the bully isn't large enough/skilled enough to overcome his skillset. Size is a huge factor and at no point in a real life scenario would I or any other sane person willingly go to the ground. Again, you're showing your lack of real world experience.
I've been in plenty of real world fights, size is a factor..but so is skill. Being big doesn't equate to being good at fighting. Size doesn't matter as much in a fight until skill is added.
Now, a big guy with a little skill against a little guy with moderate skill...yeah, thats a toss up and I think the big guy has an advantage. But truth be told, most guys who train how to fight and are disciplined enough to become skilled an have spent years getting their ass whipped and humbled to learn that discipline...typically don't go around bullying people.
Bully's are typically guys who thrive on the threat of violence and on picking on smaller people who they think won't give them a fight.
While I can respect you're probably good at what you do, I can't respect that you're advocating teaching a child a *SPORT* to fight.
I think its even more hilarious your telling a 12 year to go learn "Real Life street lethal combat what-chu-macall-it fighting. Lol, what are you suggesting a kid do? Rip another kids throat out, eye gouge another 12 year old? Come on.
A 12 year old getting bullied by 12 year old would completely protect himself with a few years of wrestling, boxing and jiu-jitsu..your insane to think other wise.
It isn't the same and it doesn't matter how many 20 somethings with "TAPOUT" shirts you hang out with say it, it isn't true.
Most fighters laugh at UFC fans wearing Tapout shirts, half our fighters are police officers, marines or in the army. My brother is a Marine Sniper and he is the first to tell you. One of my good friends is Houston HPD, ALL of them are advocates, the only person I've ever met that isn't an advocate in MMA...is someone that hasn't trained in it, suffering from the Dunning - Kruger effect.
Your hobby is a SPORT. In a real world combat scenario you'd get killed using those techniques.
lol, by who? Joe blow at the bar? I'm not hanging out in Russian KGB hideouts, ok. Get real. Most average street fights involve average people without training. Usually drunk idiots who think they are tuff and have no way to let out their aggression.
I'm not even sure you're replying to me here. I didn't advocate any "combat fighting" anything. Do you even know what that means? Really?
My brothers a Marine Sniper my other brother is army infantry, my best friend is a Paratrooper... A guy I considered my uncle is/was a SEAL. Yeah, I have an idea what REAL combat fighting is. You sound like one of these guys, honestly.
There is a difference between REAL world self defense and wartime self defense...
I advocated teaching basic self-defense. Nothing more (unless the child is truly interested, of course).
More like what? What more are you going to teach and trust a kid with.
I take it disrespectfully because it isn't true. I'm not going to argue with you because it'll come down to some "this guy will win against this guy" argument and we may as well be on the playground ourselves.
Its the impression I get, like I said..I used ignorant for lack of a better word...not to use purely as an insult. The argument is impossible to win against you because
A. You automatically make all fights happen in the worst possible environment (Broken glass, gravel ) and then negate the fact that it will be bad for BOTH fighters.
B. You automatically give a size and skill advantage to the attacker
C. You remove all common sense from the skilled victim on which techniques he should apply in different scenarios
Self defense is meant to give an average guy the ability to reasonably defend himself. Boxing, wrestling, Kickboxing and jiu-jitsu training is going to increase your ability to protect yourself and give you an edge in ANY confrontation no matter how you used it compared to NOT having those skill sets. <---that is inarguable.
Funny you should mention SEALs, though. People always do. We EOD guys rarely get the attention they do. Probably for the best.
Then thats half your problem, your applying your combat environment to that of a civilian, or KIDS for this particular scenario and basically telling them they will die if they try to use anything less than what you know. I' sorry brother, but that is ridiculous.
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