I must be racist.
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I agree with you, one witness testimony isn't the end all be all. He could be lying, or more likely it's hard to remember everything correctly when you are in a traumatic experience. Or he could be telling the truth.
My point was that this testimony, as well as Trayvon's dad confirming that the cries for help weren't his sons (so they had to be Zimmerman's), means that this case wasn't the "racist man killing innocent black teen".
I think it's wrong that Trayvon was shot, we all have been in plenty of fights... people don't need to die over a few fists thrown.
I think the investigation was handled very poorly. Evidence wasn't collected properly and if an unarmed person was shot it's a good idea to detain the shooter for at least 24 hours.
For all we know, Trayvon could have been scared for his life when he saw a man following him at night, he may have been trying to defend himself.
I wasn't there, so believe half of what you see and none of what you hear until you get the full story. That's why I made this thread.. we all need to wait before we pass judgement. The story has changed a half dozen times since it first broke, and the changes have been significant.
At this point, I think it's going to be hard to convict Zimmerman of murder. They will probably try to pin a variety of other charges on him, because if he walks there will be riots in the streets. Even if Zimmerman is cleared of all charges, he will not be able to live a remotely normal life. Society has already crucified him.
Most of us on this forum are men, most of us drink/party, and most of us occasionally get into a little trouble (drunk bar arguments or fights). I know that i'm going to be a lot more careful about getting into conflicts, because you never know what's going to happen.
A few weeks ago in Knoxville, a bouncer got into a fight with an underage guy trying to get in a bar. The bouncer knocked the kid out, he hit the curb, and now has permanent brain damage.
I admit that I came off as very confrontational in this thread, it just really ticked me off that race had to come into the equation when this would be a tragedy regardless of the color of Trayvon's skin.
Bullshit. If strangers on the Internet tell me he's a racist scum bag that hunted down an innocent little child and killed him for shits and giggles, that's good enough for me.
Firstly, I don't think you came across as too confrontational - sorry if I did, I felt my response to you was a little confrontational, but wasn't sure how else to say it.
Anyways, in response to the main bit - I agree it's too early to say anything definitively - my main original issue with this case was someone shot someone, and didn't get arrested. I mean, even if someone shot a burglar dressed in black and white stripy clothes, holding a crowbar, with a large bag marked swag, I'd still expect the shooter to be detained so the police could find out the full story. In a case like this, that's even more important.
That said though, every piece of witness testimony released could be 100% accurate - as the guy hellblazer mentioned didn't see the start of it. To quote Trayvon's girlfriend:
Assuming that she's not lying/hasn't forgotten an aspect, it would be totally possible for both testimonies to be accurate. TM walks to store, GZ follows, TM notices, puts hood up, keeps walking but faster, short conversation, GZ pushes, TM pushes back harder (causing GZ to fall on floor, hence getting the cut on the back of his head), there's a scuffle, GZ pulls out his gun, boom.
That would be in the perfect world (bad phrasing?) where all witness testimonies were 100% accurate, however it's only a hypothesis.
But bombing Browns with funny names is ok.
I know I'm probably responding to a bot, or someone with the brains of a bot, but still couldn't resist.
You don't think that's a commentary in and of itself, that you heard he was accused of being racist and assumed he was white because apparently that's the only way that racism goes?
Isn't the issue here that Zimmerman made an assumption about the kid being up to no good because he was black. Do you see the similarities here?
NO. The issue is the people that WEREN'T THERE are making ASSUMPTIONS. Like you and Al Sharpton. So why don't you guys ever ASSUME that the cops have reason to believe that it was self-defense? Maybe you bleeding heart fags should share notes from your investigation with the investigators since you are so omniscient.
^ don't know why I didn't think of that earlier. . . .
I had him in the library with the candlestick. . . obviously it was a revolver but the rest should be pretty accurate.
I'm going to fax my notes over ASAP
I had him in the library with the candlestick. . . obviously it was a revolver but the rest should be pretty accurate.
I'm going to fax my notes over ASAP
I might be wrong, but I think the point he was making is that so many people are saying that Zimmerman made an assumption that Trayvon was up to no good because he was black, yet those same people are making the assumption that Zimmerman shot the guy because he is a racist.
It's hypocrisy at it's best, and so ironic that nobody seems to notice it.
but if he was attacked by the kid, all your speculation means nothing. and you don't know.
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so how can something that you are assuming is in the guys mind be "the issue" seems like the issue should be the facts of the case.
edit/addition:
so how can something that you are assuming is in the guys mind be "the issue" seems like the issue should be the facts of the case.
You're reading too much into it. He's simply pointing out the hypocrisy of one side making assumptions while blaming the other side of making assumptions. It has nothing to do with the facts of the case.
Goes to show that it's always smart to walk away (don't be stupid) if you don't want anything to happen to you. There was a guy in Seattle crossing the street after the bar, while in the middle of the street some guy honked at him to hurry up. Next thing you know, the guy crossing in the street screams at him, slams his hands on the guys hood and then the guy runs him over. Just like that. Dead.
Yes, it's a shame for him getting run over and the driver is at fault. But if he just minded his business (or just laughed at him and walked away) he'd still be alive. Both of the people in this case should have done the right thing. Trayvon should have gone home to eat his Skittles (that is if he was really up to something else), and Zimmerman should have been smarter and used better judgement.
Yes, it's a shame for him getting run over and the driver is at fault. But if he just minded his business (or just laughed at him and walked away) he'd still be alive. Both of the people in this case should have done the right thing. Trayvon should have gone home to eat his Skittles (that is if he was really up to something else), and Zimmerman should have been smarter and used better judgement.
Racists try to character assassinate a black kid even when murdered, hilarious. If he'd followed Zimmerman and killed him in the same way you'd be still against the black guy. Either way it goes, you'd have picked sides based on which one WAS NOT the black. Why? Because you are a racist. Sidenote: Why do racist hate to be called racist? Even Dresden and Hellblazer get their panties in a bunch about it, own it.
Skeptical Eye: Former Co-Worker Recalls George Zimmerman's Violent Past
New Evidence Contradicts Zimmerman's Claim of a Violent Fight With Trayvon Martin
George Zimmerman And His History Of Violence (DETAILS) | Global Grind
BTW, -JOE- was the ONLY person my Scotch and Soda defense applies to, the rest WHO I REPLIED TO can juggle these nuts in your mouth.
Skeptical Eye: Former Co-Worker Recalls George Zimmerman's Violent Past
New Evidence Contradicts Zimmerman's Claim of a Violent Fight With Trayvon Martin
George Zimmerman And His History Of Violence (DETAILS) | Global Grind
BTW, -JOE- was the ONLY person my Scotch and Soda defense applies to, the rest WHO I REPLIED TO can juggle these nuts in your mouth.
Oh and if some tough guy wanna-be cop WITH A GUN followed me around and started harrassing me as if he had more rights to freely walk on the freaking street than I did, he better hope I don't have a gun on me too.
If I sense I'm being followed my finger would already be on the trigger. Only your racism can try to turn the one being stalkied into the "aggressor", but I know, I know. He's black. Enough said.
If I sense I'm being followed my finger would already be on the trigger. Only your racism can try to turn the one being stalkied into the "aggressor", but I know, I know. He's black. Enough said.
How do any of those links make Zimmerman racist?
I don't know the guy, maybe he is maybe he isn't - but if you're gonna make a character assumption on someone it should be based on evidence shouldn't it?
Also, if Zimmerman were black and Trayvon were white would you be just as outraged? I think your comments about Dresden and Hellblazer probably go both ways.
It's impossible to get in someone's head to figure out WHY they do something, so it only makes sense to hold people accountable for WHAT they do, race should be irrelevant. If he killed the guy out of self defense he should walk, if not he should go to prison. Why does it need to be more complicated than that?