I would like to talk about baby penis



potentialeight said:
Unless evolution led to the intelligence required for the creation of medicine.
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Which also led to the intelligence required for the development of circumcision.

Not going anywhere with this argument.

guysmy said:
You took the underlined part of the sentence out of context and created a straw man argument.

I disagree with irreversible body modification imposed on minors by parents, then suddenly I am taken down a slippery slope in which I advocate that CHILDREN CAN DO ANYTHING (since all parental authority is biased).

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Not long ago I was completely ignorant about the issue. I came across a huge thread on the Richard Dawkins forum about circumcision, and from there I felt compelled to look into it deeper.

It became clear that circumcised males usually advocate circumcision. Intact males advocate genital integrity. Both sides are biased and come up with backwards justifications for their position.

Both sides had medical and scientific data to back their claims but I eventually found the intact side to be more convincing. Pro-circ arguments failed to recognize the foreskin as a functional part of male anatomy. Circumcision severs nerves, plus 15 square inches of erogenous tissue. Foreskin protects the inner glans like the eyelid protects the eyeball etc.

I’m not bringing this shit up as an attempt to prove I’m right. The hope is that parents will take the time to investigate the medical data in detail, instead of scratching the surface or being pushed around by doctors and nurses.
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1) The development of the fetus is a form of irreversible body modification of a minor by their parents (via genetic contribution+environmental factors).

2) The "inner glans" does not face any threat significant enough to warrant legal intervention to protect said body part.

3) 15 square inches of "erogenous tissue" does not disappear. It's simply replaced.

I guess my point is I don't see the anti-circumcision crowd arguments as very convincing. Particularly the "parents impose their will on kids" business.

The bottom line is there is scientific evidence of the health benefits of circumcision (reduced rates of STDs, reduced rate of bacterial presence), whereas all the claims of reduced sexual pleasure appear to be anecdotal.
 
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papajohn56 said:
lol anyone who says "It's cleaner to be cut", do you people just not bathe or something?
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We're not talking about us, think about all the people we market to... the masses are just plain dumb as fuck and no, they don't keep themselves clean.
My wife's a physician and you'd be surprised how many people don't keep themselves clean.

More than 1 million cases of chlamydia were reported in the United States last year — the most ever reported for a sexually transmitted disease.
Chlamydia is the most common. Nearly 1,031,000 cases were reported last year, up from 976,000 the year before.

Health officials believe as many as 2.8 million new cases may actually be occurring each year

@DwightShute - thanks for the pics... going to the kitchen now to get a fork and plunge it into my eyes.
 
guysmy said:
Although I’m circumcised myself I’ve come to the realization that the procedure undermines the evolutionary purpose of the forskin.



Source: Mothering: The Case Against Circumcision

Whether you think having a foreskin is a good or a bad idea you have no right to impose your biases on your son. It is his penis, not yours.

The fact that it is forced on helpless babies and okayed by indifferent or culturally brainwashed parents is appalling. The few males that choose to get circumcised later in life are free to do so.
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ahahahahhaahhaha
 
JustFU said:
I love how the same people who are OK with a woman deciding whether or not to kill their baby, think that parents shouldn't be allowed to decide whether or not their child gets rid of their foreskin or not.

Both of my boys got the chop. Not because I gave a fuck one way or the other but because by losing the foreskin their wasn't a "down side". On the other hand, if they were running around with dog dicks, and decided to be lazy little fuckers when they got a bit older, they could get an infection. Plus, from what I've heard and been told, most ladies prefer sucking dick that they don't have to yank a couple inches of excess skin from to get a good lip lock on, and I wanted to make sure they got as much twat as possible when they got older.
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I seen this brought up twice and while you are associating 2 different things. Since they are close in situation let me try to explain it as best I can. Not that I expect you to give a fuck.

When a woman is pregnant with a child, that child is in the woman. She should have every right to do what she wants with what is inside her. Now, I do not agree with abortions, but I also do not think that you have again a right to tell another person what they can and cannot do. There are many instances where abortion is viable when the mothers health could be compromised. Things like that...

Placing this in line with the other issue, and not understanding how the two coincide is you just being a dick about it.

Circumcision has no effect on anyone but the baby. Pregnancy has effect on the one carrying the child. They should have a say in that. I suppose is the best way I can put it.
 
grim001 said:
Circumcision is genital mutilation, period.

Parents do not have the right to remove parts of their infants' bodies, period.



Actually, you'd feel 50% to 100% more pleasure, without needing to be close to orgasm to feel it, and it wouldn't make you any more likely to fire off prematurely.

Premature ejaculation is much more common in mutilated men because they need to get close to orgasm to feel much whereas an unmutilated guy can get plenty of pleasurable sensations when they are nowhere close to orgasm.
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QFT.
 
You guys complaining that parents have no right to remove body parts.. what if you baby is born with one of them nasty tails?

Are you going to claim that its 6 millions years of evolution and let the baby decide if it wants a pig tail?

Also regarding the giant image of botched penises, I do not trust a 40% from a group that is against the practice to begin with. Anyone can just make up dumb ass figures to suite their needs and to brainwash you. I did a quick Google search and found this.

The American Academy of Pediatrics has not taken a pro or con view on circumcision. In a 1999 report, which the group reaffirmed in 2005, it said, "In circumstances in which there are potential benefits and risks, yet the procedure is not essential to the child's current well-being, parents should determine what is in the best interest of the child."


The report cited studies estimating the complication rate of circumcisions "is somewhere between 0.2 of a percent and 0.6 of a percent."
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So is it 40% meaning nearly HALF circumcised men have some deformed penis, or is it the more believable 0.6%.
 
BeerNuts said:
So is it 40% meaning nearly HALF circumcised men have some deformed penis, or is it the more believable 0.6%.
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Quick way to find out:

There appear to be about 20 Ppl here in this thread with snipped tips.

If we take a vote on how many have botched snip jobs, I'd bet the number isn't 8 of us...
 
lol at you guys saying parents don't have the right. By very definition we have the right until their 18, unless, of course, it's against the law.

So yes, we have the right, but we also have the obligation to do what's best for them. This is where lies the gray.
 
turbolapp said:
lol at you guys saying parents don't have the right. By very definition we have the right until their 18, unless, of course, it's against the law.

So yes, we have the right, but we also have the obligation to do what's best for them. This is where lies the gray.
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I'd think teaching them proper hygiene is a significant step above body altering surgery that they have no say in. Should we remove the appendix and tonsils at birth, too?
 
turbolapp said:
lol at you guys saying parents don't have the right. By very definition we have the right until their 18, unless, of course, it's against the law.

So yes, we have the right, but we also have the obligation to do what's best for them. This is where lies the gray.
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So why not when a baby girl is born we remove the mammary glands. you know we dont want them getting breast cancer later in life. Which btw if you have children and breast feed like you are suppose to, you greatly reduce those risks. if you dont you increase. They are there for a reason.

How about it being socially acceptable to mutilate an infant boys genitals but. you are not even allowed to do a ritualistic prick to a baby girls. and by prick it is like a prick on your finger.

and what papa said, lets jet get rid of everything we think we dont need. because if we think we dont need it we most likely dont.
 
Meh. It won't impact your life in any way down the road, so who cares? Do it, don't do it - it's your fucking kid you should decide.

It'd be different if the argument was, say, poking your child's eyes out.
 
Great thread, I'm convinced! I'm going to go and get a circumcision tomorrow so I don't have to clean my dong anymore and then I'm going to get all my teeth pulled out so I don't have to brush them and worry about cavities.

Cheers!

BeerNuts said:
Circumcised penis, look better
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Sarcasm aside, an uncircumcised erect doodle with the skin back looks almost exactly like a circumcised one...
 
Dwight Schrute said:
What is done with the foreskin after it's been cut off? Does someone save it in a scrapbook?
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A doctor had been performing circumcisions for 30 years, and saved his collection of skins in jars. One day he takes all the foreskins to a leather tanner, and tells the guy to make them into something he can use.

Doctor goes back to see the leather guy, who hands him the wallet he made from the foreskins.

Doctor says: I give you hundreds of foreskins, and all I get is a wallet?

Tanner says, "Yeah, but if you rub it the wallet it turns into a briefcase."

True story, bro
 
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